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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:49 PM Original message |
Just heard Dean won't try for the DNC chair. |
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Moonbeam_Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. Why doesn't he go for it anyway? |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Now, he can run for President |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Heard he said it would demoralize a lot of those who supported him. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:15 PM Original message |
The real reason is the way the DLC/ New Democrats |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
59. How WEIRD is that? |
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GRLMGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. Lame |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. He'll Be One Any Way |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Snowe |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Our rights are not negotiable |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Then you have no understanding of politics |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Then YOU have no understanding of RIGHTS |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. your purity test |
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Bush was AWOL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:03 AM Response to Reply #25 |
70. You keep fighting for every right |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 07:42 AM Response to Reply #70 |
116. Uh...NEWSFLASH- the Dems ARE giving up our rights! |
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Bush was AWOL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #116 |
122. Like what? |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. Vilsack |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Not ideology for party chair. Just ideology in general. The damn war! |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. what does |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. Vilsack= more of the same |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. You got that right. Vilsack will be a disaster IMHO... For one thing.. |
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andyhappy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
7. TOTALLY LAME |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. how have we moved to the right |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Don't be naive, my friend. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. how have we moved right? voting for IWR, NCLB, Patriot Act, tax cuts |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 05:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
108. Exactly. And who has been better than Dean-- |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. The die of the party is cast. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. what is wrong with Vilsack |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. when they don't get 100%? |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. that's the way the cookie crumbles |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. ahh, so no complaining is allowed? |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. the tenor |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I think people have the right to feel bad about it... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. and no one |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I personally don't have anything against him... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. that's a better argument |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. The day they voted for the war, they lost our loyalty. Not a chair thing. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. not rude at all |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Dave, my friend, wake up. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. whatever |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 06:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
110. Here's a newsflash for you |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. we DID all get behind the candidate...how's it working for you? Cause |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. we lost |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. he's a manipulative back stabbing DLC party hack |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. based on what |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 07:31 AM Response to Reply #38 |
113. And you say this because...??? (nt) |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
14. Good. Better to not become just a glorified fundraiser, |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Yep |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
16. That is very welcome news |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
17. Probably for the best |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
22. I like the idea of Dean being free from the obligations of that position |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
40. Stupid as FUCK. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. then |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. That's a real productive gang-mentality you have there. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. how does Vilsack threaten the party |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Dave, it is not Vilsack...that is not the issue. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. the people |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. And we just lost yet ANOTHER election with that dumbass attitude. nt |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. what attitude is that |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:01 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. The "be more like the Republicans" attitude. The "apologize for being |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:03 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. that's a load of crap |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:05 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. We nominated a "flip-flopping" candidate that over the past three |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #73 |
80. different people |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 07:39 AM Response to Reply #73 |
114. It is as expected. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:06 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. We nominated a liberal candidate who kept running away from it. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. But even while Dean "isn't very liberal," he's liberal where it COUNTS- |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. where it counts to you |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. I'd definitely go with Gore. Maybe even Clark- |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. This has NOTHING to do with Vilsack. This has to do with the fact |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Vilsack is not more of the same |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. It IS a speaking position- it's a very high-profile, high-media exposure |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:00 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Vilsack |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. The policy differences! The fact that Dean stands up there and makes |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:05 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Plenty of Democrats |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Vilsack has not proved a damned thing to me. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:12 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. you don't know a thing about him |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. He's DLC. There's a reason for that. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:17 AM Response to Reply #85 |
90. oh tell me the reason |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:19 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Yes, actually, Clinton is more responsible for this crap than anyone. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 06:03 AM Response to Reply #64 |
109. Who the hell has Vilsack brought into the party? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
44. well, here's to all my time & $$$ further outside the party - AGAIN |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Fuck the Democrats. Just fuck 'em. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. what is it we should get |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. It's not about liberalism! It's not about "left" and "right"!! It's |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I get the feeling |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. What you're missing is that the PARTY is in a better position with him |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:01 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. he's not the only Democrat |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:04 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. He's the only one with the courage. He's proved it. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. more bs |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:11 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. What are you talking about? Where are these "plenty of Dems" with the |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:15 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. all over the place |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:17 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. If you look closely, you might notice that virtually none of those |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
48. A paragraph from a Kos diary just put up. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Mr. Dean is far more useful where he is. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Dean is always very in tune to how so many of us feel |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:25 AM Response to Reply #58 |
96. They're gonna get theirs. They ARE getting theirs. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 01:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
107. About 50% of DFA are not Democrats. That is an amazing mix. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
65. I've got to say this is sheer stupidity on the part of the Dems |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
77. Try and think people. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:15 AM Response to Reply #77 |
87. It's not about Dean. It's about the PARTY. The PARTY NEEDS DEAN. nt |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:15 AM Response to Reply #77 |
88. Quit referring to us as "you people". You do it a lot. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:22 AM Response to Reply #88 |
94. It's not about Dean anyway. People are missing the point that |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:24 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Agree, but don't like the poster's tone toward us all the time. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
78. Just wondering - when does Dean say "screw it" and go skiing? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:20 AM Response to Reply #78 |
93. That's exactly what I'm thinking right now. Just fuck this. |
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Plausible (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:29 AM Response to Reply #78 |
97. Republican Lite? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:31 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. A party that stands for something. Imagine that. nt |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:48 AM Response to Reply #98 |
102. a party willing to say what it stands for rather than confusing the hell |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:32 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Keep your eyes open.....they are working on it. |
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Plausible (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:55 AM Response to Reply #97 |
105. It would not surprise me |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
91. Let the national Party continue to make itself irrelevant |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
100. This is a bummer |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:37 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Wait, DFA is partnering with some other groups. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
103. Great paragraph about Yale tonight. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
104. Dean ENABLED the rightward shift! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 01:08 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. You do the best sarcasm. |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
111. That's showing 'em how to fight, Howard! |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 07:42 AM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Maybe he doesn't want YOU to stab him in the back again. |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 08:25 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. Interesting analogy. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Yes, he was assassinated. No argument here. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
112. Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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candy331 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
117. Smart move on his part, The Dr don't need to help the Democrats |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 08:27 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. You know, when you put it THAT way...maybe he is doing |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
118. The idea that the party chairman is crucial... |
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unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
123. If he wants the job and feels that he would be shutout by the bigwigs |
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DinahMoeHum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
124. If that's the case, then screw the DNC/DLC axis. . .my $$ goes to DFA. |
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