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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:28 PM
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Open Letter To The Democratic Party (from a Blogger in the south)
http://fromasadamerican.blogspot.com/2004/11/how-you-could-have-had-my-vote.html

<edit> a good read....

How You Could Have Had My Vote

It's been two days since John Kerry conceded, and all I am seeing, hearing and reading from the Democratic party is that you guys think you lost on "moral values." You seem to think this means nothing more than opposition to gay marriage. You seem to think that Bush voters waited in line for hours to stick it to the queers, to tell those faggots how much we hate them!

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Many Bush voters, like myself, were not happy to be voting for the President's re-election. Many Bush voters agonized over our decision and cast our vote in fear, trepidation, and trembling. Many of us would have given our left arms for a Democrat we could have supported.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:30 PM
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1. Well ...
There is one out of 50 MILLION ....
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:32 PM
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2. This is where the media failed the country
if they had been honest about Kerry's character and history and not have presented the election as a personality contest, this voter could have voted her own best interest.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:34 PM
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3. My response
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 07:38 PM by Book Lover
Look, you can agonize all you want, but the truth is that voters are realistically given two choices, A or B. You don't *want* to vote for B, but A just doesn't make you feel good, or his wife has a funny accent, or A's grey hair shows up too strongly under the TV lights, or what the fuck ever. So it somehow is not your fault that you voted for B. Shut up and own up to your choice. I wasn't overjoyed with A, but I voted for him because I also felt "fear, trepidation, and trembling" when I thought about B. You want someone to make you happy, get a dog. We are hiring the chief administrator of our federal government, not looking for a Friday night date.

on edit: a postscript: You think you saw the aftermath of 9/11, but let me tell you something as someone who was in Manhattan the day the *first* time the WTC was bombed. You haven't seen shit, sister. Trust me, no one wants to blow up where you live, Ms. Red State.
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Nimble_Idea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:38 PM
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4. The election is over, give it a flipping rest
I'm so sick and tired of these stupid sean hannity nazi propaganda.

give it a fuggin rest already.

and go pray to jebus.

Oh, maybe I should too, I hope jebus can git me a job.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:38 PM
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5. Dear Bush Voter is taht buyers remorse I hear
By the way dear Bush voter, when the worst from bush comes about, I don't want to hear it.

When you have to report to boot camp and then to Fallujah (I hear it is pleasant this time of the year, remember keep your weapon clean and take plenty of sun screen and bug spray) I'll help you pack on your way to boot camp. I don't want to hear about it either. You voted in fear and trembling FOR BUSH

When you have to pay for mom and dad's medicine because there is no more safety net, I don't want to hear it

When mom and dad have to decide between pills or dog food (as they used to before Medicare) I don't want to hear about it

When Social Security is PRivatized and you have no retiremnent, I don't want to hear about it

When your kids cannot go to college and have a better life than yours, I don't want to hear about it

This is what you voted for

Oh and one more thing, please continue feeding the machine and going into further debt, while those of us who understand what is truly going on, will save, get ready and hopefully survive the coming crisis that YOU helped to bring about to the country... and don't come for hand outs, I will be too busy taking care of myself and my family to actually give a damn about you... after all you voted with fear and trepidation and forgot to do your homework as a citizen. Hence I REALLY do not want to hear about it.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:39 PM
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6. My responses to her reasons
1. He voted FOR the 87 billion provided there was a mechanism to pay for it via cancelling some of the tax cuts..when it became clear Bush would VETO that bill, he voted against the bill to send a message to the White House that they lied about the costs of the war and would not get a blank check without some accountability.

2. This is where I have a big fat problem with your logic..George Bush IGNORED warnings of terrorism and did NOTHING..I REPEAT NOTHING with the warnings he was given...he then CUT funding for ACTUAL law enforcement efforts at home and spent the entire budget on war which appears to be SPREADING terrorism and he is better at protecting us HOW?

3. Your point number 3 is now insulting MY intelligence. You want me to believe you HONESTLY looked at Kerry and couldn't reach a conclusion then MOCK his purple hearts>?? I don't think you are winnable...I think you are playing with our heads.


4. Those RICH people GOT rich BECAUSE of our economic system. Giving BACK a little in taxes nowhere NEAR compares to the benefits they get. again...you are now playing games if you think a few extra thousand dollars means ANYTHING to a millionaire compared to the services those 200,000 millionaires could help provide.


5. again...you are a parody of yourself...for anyone to pretend you would have voted for anyone but Bush is like pissing in the wind...you complain about Air America...have you never heard Rush? Michael Savage??? Sorry...your whole web site is a fucking lie...wake up Miss 20 something.

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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:41 PM
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7. The problem is that many Democratic 'strategists' and 'thinkers'
take this kind of stuff at face value and make adjustments accordingly.
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:43 PM
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8. a democrat you could have supported?
You idiot. Snoopy and Manson would have been a better ticket than bush/cheney. Don't tell me how we coulda won your pathetic vote. Look at what Bush has done. You need more than that? WAR WAR KILL KILL
praise the lord.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:47 PM
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9. This is propaganda. This is typical post-election planted story meant
to make us Democrats feel demoralized and questioning our own judgment.

They tear down whatever Dem was the last prominent figure.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:48 PM
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10. Who says we lost on "moral values"?
Certainly not the Democrats. And anyone who thinks that the Republican party represents moral values is a victim of very confused thinking.

I echo what someone else on this thread said: Own up to your vote. If you voted for Bush, then you voted for Bush. What's happened the last four years should have been ample warning for anyone with two working brain cells and the wit to use them. What will happen in the next four years will be due solely to idiots who ceded their decision making powers to what teevee and Hate Radio was telling them.

What a whiny dumbass.
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:56 PM
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11. Huh?
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 08:10 PM by evilqueen
I am a pragmatic, disillusioned, realistic, and entirely ordinary member of the radical middle.

Huh? There is no radical middle, dumbass. And if you are pragmatic or even realistic, as you say, you would not have voted against every principle you supposedly hold. I say you're full of shit, haven't bothered to investigate either candidate (it's not up to us to educate you, that's your responsibility and if we have to pin it on something outside of yourself then let's say that was your school's job and apparently college did you no good either), and now you're feeling guilty because you voted for an idiot. I'm not here to assuage your fucking guilt. You voted, now you live with what you voted for... I hold you and all others who voted like you did responsible for what is happening and what will happen over the next four years.

You're not getting out of this one.

Added: Oh, and good luck keeping that $30K/yr. job. Heh.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:02 PM
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12. Blah...blah...blah
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 08:02 PM by ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Another wishy washy woose who wanted Kerry to get up, kiss Bush's ass, tell America what a great leader Dubya is, THEN try to explain why we should elect him instead. In other words, a recipe to still lose.

I'm tired of these assholes who think it's okay for the GOP to smear people left and right, but take offense when it's done to Bush. They are Republicans, they should go ahead and vote for him.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:04 PM
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13. We don't need her uninformed moran vote.
Fuck her and the horse she rode in on. She needs to pull her head out of her own ass, it is not our job to do it for her.

In 6 years she'll she the error of her ways in spades. Then she'll be on the bandwagon for sure.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:12 PM
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14. I see no reason whatsoever to believe it
I would believe it as a plant from a radical regressive than anybody from the middle.

It's propoganda, nothing more. Ignore it.
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:15 PM
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15. Self-aggrandizing, melodramatic bullshit.
That shit was SO OVER THE TOP!

Air America made her WEEP more than once? Oh that's just laughable. Maybe she should listen to right-wing radio for a day and see how she feels.

I get some of the points she was trying to make, but goddamn, that entire diatribe was self-important "me me me!" bullshit disguised as well-thought-out political analysis.

Blech.
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Magic_Cookie Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:18 PM
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16. While I'm not as harsh as the rest of you
They lost me in the first paragraph when they said,

"It's been two days since John Kerry conceded, and all I am seeing, hearing and reading from the Democratic party is that you guys think you lost on "moral values." You seem to think this means nothing more than opposition to gay marriage. You seem to think that Bush voters waited in line for hours to stick it to the queers, to tell those faggots how much we hate them!"

If that's all they are seeing & hearing, and what they seem to think Democrats as thinking then the media spin has possessed them yet again. I never thought Bush voters waited in line for hours to 'stick it to the queers' (personally I never thought they'd wait in line at all :P) What I think it all means is that they really didn't THINK before they voted. They got caught up in the hype of 'this is gonna be a big election' and wanted to proudly say they voted! Pfffft to them, don't bother voting if that's the reason - my stepson, who lives in SC, gave me similar BS, OMG, can you say whisper tactic! Well so & so said this & since I'm too lazy to find out anything on my own I'll believe them & pass on the info to others. ARGGHHHHH
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:26 PM
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17. In other words "I'm terrified of Bush but my Kerry offended me
In other words "I'm terrified of Bush but my Kerry offended me by expecting me to be able to read and think."
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bobburlap Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:31 PM
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18. A turning point
Whether or not you accept the outcome of last week’s election, there can be no doubt that millions of Americans voted for George Bush and other republican candidates. While the voters residing in the upper one- percent tax bracket had something to gain, the great majority voted against their own self-interest. Why? Election fraud and voter suppression theories do nothing to address the number of legitimate votes cast for candidates that did not truly represent the interests of the people.
I agree wholeheartedly that our electoral system is in dire need of reform. Americans should demand a uniform system, safe from partisan influence, in which every vote cast is counted, and in which there can be no doubt in the accuracy of the outcome. Until that system is in place, we need to work within the current framework to produce an incontrovertible margin of victory. This was an attainable goal given the record of the Bush administration’s first term.
To those who would spend the next four years as they did the last, crying foul and lamenting the “hanging chad”: I wish you the best of luck. The Republican Party now has complete control over any legislative or judicial recourse you might seek to attain. The media spin will portray you as sore losers, whiners, and victims, perpetuating the image the right wing has worked tirelessly to bestow upon those with a liberal ideology.
The republicans have been winning elections, not because of touch screen voting machines or Supreme Court decisions, but because they have carefully crafted their message to make themselves out to be populists. They have spared no expense nor wasted any opportunity to present this message. Whether targeting “NASCAR Dads” or “Security Moms”, conservative strategists have portrayed their party as being the only choice for the common folk. This is the first part of the republican strategy.
The second part is the portrayal of liberals as bad. Whether it’s the “Massachusetts liberal elitist” or the “California pot-smoking hippie tree-hugger”, the word “liberal” now carries so much baggage it cannot be used in polite political discourse. With this in mind, we must not don our tie-dyed t-shirts and hit the streets in protest over election results that can not be changed. Nor should we adopt an attitude that the people who voted for Bush are less intelligent or not educated well enough to make the right decision.
Keep in mind, the idea of red states and blue states is divisive. Us versus them. All fifty states were purple, just different shades. The republican strategy depends on division.
To attain a deeper shade of purple in 2008, the left must create a positive vision of unity and a clear agenda for enriching the lives of hard working people everywhere. The language used to describe this vision should be concise and simple. We live in the age of the thirty-second sound bite. The republicans have mastered sound bite politics, and the democrats have not.
It was obvious to all that watched the debates; John Kerry was more intelligent and knowledgeable than Bush on every issue. He won all three contests by unanimous decision. This did not carry over to the general election because intelligence doesn’t necessarily make for an exciting sound bite.
Between now and the 2006 mid-term elections, there is much work to be done. The left is diffused into many noble causes but lacks a uniform message. This message must be crafted carefully and be made as simple and concise as possible. The language used must encompass the broad diversity that makes the Democratic Party so accessible and must seek to unite rather than divide. Instead of gay rights, women’s rights, minority rights, etc., equal rights should be the cause. Most importantly, the message should be positive.
America was founded on principles of truth, liberty, and justice for all. To battle those who would subvert those principles we must meet them on the field they have created and prevail. Meaningful change can only be effected from a position of power. We have come to a vital turning point in American politics and our actions will be measured by the generations to come. If we choose now to be victims, so might we choose that as the fate of our children.

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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:28 PM
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19. oh shut up! geebush is authorised
to destroy what's left of the golden goose....that's what he's going to do, and has done thus far. Those who hate the USA see bush as the man with a plan....to paraphrase humpty dumpty 'let's roll!'
btw reading this creatures thoughts says the bush 'win' due to voter like her cannot be otherwise: a democratic party that satisfied a pos like this would be bush republican....
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:29 PM
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20. Sorry, blogger from the South
I don't consider right-wing talking points a reason to shift the Democratic Party's platform further right.

Julie
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:57 PM
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21. Paraphrasing that entire screed....
1. I'm soooo confused about voting for the IWR yet being against pushing away our allies, kicking out the inspectors, and invading with a weak coalition. That's your fault, Democrats, because you never sent me a direct, personal explanation.

2. Sure, Kerry talked about hunting down and killing terrorists wherever they are. He talked about how this adminstration hasn't secured loose nukes from the former Soviet Union, hasn't protected our borders, hasn't secured our ports, hasn't ensured inspections of airline cargo, failed to get Bin Laden in Tora Bora, is too connected with the Saudi's, and has left first responders woefully underfunded. That first debate showed Bush* considers a tax cut for the wealthy more important than funding homeland security. But it's your fault I didn't hear a word of it and still contend Kerry sees terrorism as a law enforcement issue and wouldn't use the military or go on the offense as required.

3. What's the big deal about three purple hearts? It's just a slogan, a drum beat, a manipulation. Why should it matter that John Kerry volunteered for dangerous duty while Bush* went out of his way to avoid it? Am I supposed to consider it some mark of character that John Kerry turned his boat into enemy fire, beached onshore, and pursued an enemy on foot, killing for his country? Do I care that he shed blood for his country, or saw two of his best friends die? It's the same as the most men over 50, they all served in some way. It's your fault I don't understand the difference, or what Kerry's experience says about his character, his understanding of war, or his ability to be aggressive against an enemy.

4. I'm supposed to care about the rest of the world? You seem to think we live in a global economy or have some sort of responsibility to the rest of the world, as if there were an international law or something. It's your fault I don't care about anybody else.

5. You demonize the rich. Democrats aren't rich and don't know the value of hard work. Why else would you want rich people to pay a higher share of taxes? It's just hypocritical for rich people to want to raise their own taxes. How dare you act like you owe something. It's not my fault I'm confused between the stereotype of lazy welfare liberals and rich elite liberals. It's your fault.

6. You were so mean to Bush*! It's not my fault I didn't notice that your convention was a message of Unity, right down to the keynote address. It's not my fault I didn't notice the Republican convention was a message of shrieking hatred, right down to the keynote address. I never heard anybody calling Kerry a liar, a traitor, or a man who never bled for his medals. It's your fault I am so myopic.

7. Somebody on AAR called people like me "snake-handling evangelicals." How do I know they meant me, if I don't handle snakes and am not an evangelical? I just DO, that's all. And it's your fault.
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Magic_Cookie Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:07 PM
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22. #4 Reminded me
Your post reminded me of how absurd her #4 comment was. I could say more but I won't...trying to be nice here.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:12 PM
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23. Well....
... it sounded good at first. Then you get to her enumerated "reasons". I didn't get past #2.

Here's another person who is obviously reasonably intelligent but abysmally misinformed and uninformed.

Who's fault is that?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:17 PM
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24. If you're a Democrat,
it's your fault. :hi:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:28 PM
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25. "You could have had my vote if you ran a republican!"
Zell Miller '08

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:31 PM
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26. "Not that I LIKE Republicans, I mean I really hate them, seriously I do."
"You have to convince me, though and (:::fingers in ears:::) I'm not listening not listening not listening lalalala lalala blablabla I'm not listening you're wasting your breath I can not heeeeeeearrrr yoooooou lalalalala..."
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