Is this what it was like for my parents when Reagan won his second term?

[gatorboy]

I can't imagine how depressing that must have been. But this....This defies logic!!!

[Poll_Blind]

1. Yeah, I was thinking about that too...

It does...it defies all fucking logic and reason and sensibilities.

PB

[Stuckinthebush]

2. Yep

This is like what it was when Reagan won his second term.

[LiberalEsto]

3. No. We still held Congress

and the Supreme Court wasn't in such fragile shape. And the economy didn't really slide fully into the toilet until poppy b*sh took over.

[Tom Rinaldo]

4. Sort of. This is even worse. n/t

[nonconformist]

5. This is far worse. nt

[republicansareevil]

6. No

Cheating is not the same as winning.

[WI_DEM]

7. This is worse

I hate Bush. I merely disliked Reagan.

[Pig_Latin_Lover]

8. Much, much worse

Dems still had Congress and Reagan did have some bipartisan support, so he wasn't as nearly unpopular as Bush was.

"Hope is on the way" I sure hope so, but right now it's not looking too good.

[demokatgurrl]

9. No, this is much worse than it was for ME-

probably as old as your parents- when Reagan won a second term. Because Reagan was NOTHING like this guy. We thought he was bad, but we hadn't seen nothing yet.

[The empressof all]

10. Absolutely NOT

Reagan never garnered the amount of fear and frustration that Bush does. Although I never endorsed Reagan, I never feared for my life or liberty. The country was not polarized as it is now and frankly there was far less to lose at the time.

[Plaid Adder]

11. Nope. It's worse.

They already had the executive and the legislature, now they're going to get the courts.

Plus, in 1984, we had to blame the voters for putting him back in office...now, we don't know for sure that it was a legitimate result.

And, overall, George W. is just plain WORSE than Reagan ever was. Period.

Hurl,

The Plaid Adder

[July]

12. Yes, that's all I've been thinking about.

The grim reality of his second win was hard to accept.

[gardenista]

13. No. This is MUCH, MUCH worse.

It's obvious that this election was stolen. Furthermore, we had the House and Senate back then. We could at least exert some control and have checks and balances.

Now, we have no subpeona power, we cannot investigate in Congress, and we will lose the Supreme Court in the next 2 years. Roe v. Wade will go down, and probably more civil rights erosion, to say nothing of what they will do to the environment.

This is a black time, the worst I have ever seen in our Country.

BUT we will not give up. We will continue to fight. After 4 years of getting what they thought they wanted, lets see how the American people feel about the Bush dynasty.

[seraph]

14. Worse. I was there. (nt)

[Zero Gravitas]

15. No

reagan was bad, but nearly this bad.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[tabasco]

16. Reagan did not have us in a quagmire deathtrap ...

with our Army decisively engaged. Reagan put us in the toilet but Bush is going to flush us down !

[Nordic]

36. Exactly. I thought Reagan was as bad as it could get.

This is so so so much worse.

Bush could, literally, be the end of civilization.

If this guy makes it through four years without nuking somebody, I'll buy everybody here a beer.

[GRLMGC]

17. We're they crying?

because I'm crying at the thought of another Bush adminstration. I know its not over, but I can see Bush taking this and ruling with an iron fist.

[saracat]

18. This is worse. Democracy is dead.

Reagan was a normal loss. Depressing but the world didn't end.

[freetobegay]

19. I remember Reagans 2nd term

That was noting compared to this.

[Politicub]

20. I think this is worse

I was really young when Reagan won his second term, but at least Dems held control of the House and Senate.

[Midlodemocrat]

21. This is much, much worse

...at least my parents didn't have to worry about their children going to fight a senseless war through a back door draft.

[deutsey]

22. I think we all knew Reagan was going to win

I knew, anyway. I voted against Reagan, not for Mondale. It was my first election, too.

What a fond memory. :eyes:

[SnohoDem]

23. This is much, much worse.

Bush makes me nostalgic for Reagan. He's that bad.

[Sparkly]

24. This is FAR worse

with far more devastating consequences to come.

[w4rma]

25. There is blatant election fraud today by the Republican Party who is in

total control of this government. That was never ever ever the case with Reagan.

With the election fraud we won't even be able to get rid of them by voting them out. I'm hoping against all hope that Dems use the remaining power that we have to expose the election fraud and stop it now before Repugs make that even harder or impossible to do.

[Bosso 63]

26. This is much worse

I did not like it, but the majority of people voted for Reagan. It was to bad, because Mondale is a great man.
But I don't believe * won this election, any more than 2000. I'm thinking that the system has been corrupted more than I thought. I hope I'm wrong, but I was up last night wondering if we are now on a path that can only be changed by "politics of other means".

[DemBones DemBones]

27. A thousand times worse -- and I voted against Reagan TWICE so I know.

It's worse because Reagan actually got more votes than Mondale (or so we thought, anyway.)

This election is being stolen, same as 2000 except now they have BBV to help them.

[hughee99]

28. This is worse

First, for Raygun, we had the House and Senate at that time. Second, as much as we wanted Mondale to win, many of us saw the landslide a mile away, so it was easier to take when it happened.

[Sara Beverley]

29. About the same. But we survived.

And this too shall pass.

[Riptide]

30. I remember when Reagan won. The good thing was that...

I remember them interviewing Tip O'Neil, and he said that he was going to keep Reagan under check.

There is now no check on bush. He owns Congress and he will get to stack the Supreme Court. This is truly scary.

[calimary]

32. Worse, indeed. Worse by far. Because with Reagan, at least there

were some checks and balances. You think we'll ever hear the other part of the 9/11 report, or the report from the CIA, or the real end of the investigation into who outed Valerie Plame? And because of THAT, do you think anybody else will be brave enough to stick their necks out - now that it's been proven that there is hell to pay if you do - and no one will challenge it, or investigate it, or attempt to get to the bottom of it.

This is worse by far. I remember the Reagan era. I was bummed, but not feeling hopeless. Which is how I feel at the moment.

[Rex_Goodheart]

31. This is much, much worse...

For all his rational deficiencies, hardly anybody thought Reagan was actually EVIL.

[Danmel]

33. This is much worse

I was in law school in 84 and worked on the Mondale Ferraro campaign from Boston. When Reagan took Massachussets, I thought I ws going to die. IT was bad.

But even viewed through the haze of 20 years, this is much much worse, Reagan was legitimate. I hated him but he was legitimate. THis fruad we are now stuck with for another 4 years is not only a cheat and a liar and an incompetent, he is a direct menace to the country, the world and my children.

[regnaD kciN]

34. I was there. It was awful. But this is worse.

However bad Ronnie was, at least he never thought that God had personally chosen him to carry out His will.

:puke:

[Crunchy Frog]

35. It did not feel like this at all to me in 1984.

Of course it was my first election. Although I strongly opposed Reagan, I never felt that he had won illegitimately. I also never had the sense of malevolent hate and divisiveness that exists with *. In those days it was still possible to be civil with ones opponents, and to conduct a campaign with a certain level of decorum.

I don't remember anyone even thinking about the possibility of voter fraud.

As bad a president as he was, Reagan at least genuinely ran on a platform of optimism, and he did not behave in the divisive petty way in which * does.

Also, the Democrats ran an absurdly terrible candidate in 1984. I don't believe that Mondale could ever have had a chance in Hell of beating Reagan, so there was no real shock there. In the current election, I genuinely thought that we were going to win, and compared with 1984, we came reasonably close.

Most of all, I didn't feel that the majority of Reagan voters voted that way because they were ignorant, small minded and bigoted. I felt that they had poor judgement, but I genuinely think most of them thought they were voting for the better man.

[NanBo]

37. This is worse

I wasn't at all surprised when Reagan won a second term and I kind of understood why others liked him even though I disliked him intensely. This time--I can't believe ppl pick this idiot for a second go at disaster. I really didn't think they were that dumb.

I didn't cry last time, I certainly have been this time.

[Lorien]

38. Way, way worse, kiddo

sorry, but our country is gone.

[roguevalley]

39. no. this is much much worse.

[leftofthedial]

40. since I started voting 30 years ago,

I dealt with Nixon's second win

reagan's second win

the shameless political lynching of the best president we ever had

and now this

I'm finished. This country richly deserves what it gets. I'm now dedicated to ensuring that it gets just that.

[Hardball]

41. Infinitely worse

Truth is now squarely in the minority.

[Liberal Veteran]

42. Nope....

Not in the least.

[WCGreen]

43. This is much worse...

For all the reason people have said before but the one thing most don't remember is we had a free press back then as well...

There was an agressive press corp that was weaned on watergate and was ready willing and able to pounce on anything that came along...

RR wasn't really the Teflon president. A lot of shit stuck to him but the dems couldn't figure out how to use it to their advantage...

Now, the press is admittedly coruptable. That bad part about having the Daily Show around is that is serves as a release valve for the "traditional" press. How many times have you heard a 'Media creature" tell Jon Stewert that they wish they could do what he does........

Watch for more Dennis Miller and less Jon Stewert......

[LTRS]

44. No, Reagan was just wrong

These people are evil. I was there, and remember it well.

[Nitrogenica]

45. We need to organize and fight harder! Start with FOX News.

One victory we could celebrate was the boycott of Sinclair network, because we hit them in their pocketbook. An organized effort to effect FOX in the same manner would go a LONG way to disabling the Republican propopaganda machine.
We need to be proud of the fact that we recognize TRUTH. WE can sleep at night with a clear concience. This will go a long way as the economy goes sour and Iraq continues to be a nightmare.I will remind the freepers I know that their vote had consequences.
Despite their win, the giant Republican ship that they sail has many ugly holes and blemishes, the ugliest of which is the Swift Boat Veterans for "Truth". This will forever taint the election results.
Bush is asking us to unite behind him. I cannot, because ultimately I cannot turn a blind eye to truth, and that is what he is asking us to do. NO!, I say, the fight needs to be fought even harder. I am asking all DU'ers to fight the good fight, because we fight for truth and justice for ALL.
I call on all DU'ers to boycott FOX's sponsors, or any corporate sponsors of the Republican "have and have-mores" club. WE route our money to them. We can change that!

[prairie populist]

46. More like Nixon winning his second term

[Ms. Toad]

55. My thoughts, exactly. n/t

[omnithrope]

47. This is far, far worse.

nt

[Lugnut]

48. Today

I am feeling the same way I felt when Nixon was re-elected. It sucks.

[Javaman]

49. no much worse, it's like we just elected the 3rd reich.

And crazy as reagen was, he was a saint compared to *

[Toucano]

50. This is 1,000 times worse. n/t

[indie_voter]

51. No, it was nothing like this. Nothing. n/t

[Mist]

52. This is much worse

The Reagan era was mild compared to this.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. this is worse...

anybody with a scintilla of cranial matter could see Reagan's victory coming in July....

we thought Kerry had a shot....

[arewenotdemo]

54. Don't mean to be contrarian...

but 8 years living in Reagan's GOOD MORNING AMERICA was indescribably nauseating.

FOR EIGHT FUCKING YEARS I didn't have to even PAUSE to think what side of the issue to take because Reagan and his crew of Nazis were ALWAYS on the wrong side. You name it (and I'm not going to, there were enough articles about the bastard when he finally croaked).

And don't think the butcher didn't kill his fair share of Third Worlders because he did and that's a fact.