Demand FLORIDA Recount instead, let Bush HAVE Ohio.. We WIN

[symbolman]

Okay, let's get FLORIDA back on the table -- that Bush won Florida is BS and everyone knows it..

If we demand a Florida recount (subtract 27 EV from Bush) and push for the 1.3 million provisionals (while we're at it we can prove the fraud with exit polling data there) then Kerry WINS..

Once in office he can clean up the Ohio FRAUD and jail everyone involved from O'dell all the way to the Sec of State there and ROVE gets frog marched..

Make damn sure you bring up FLORIDA, don't let these monsters FRAME THE ISSUE, it's a bait and switch by them..

Jeb will go down in infamy, Bush is out and we get our sweet future back!

[DELUSIONAL]

1. No demand all votes in both states be counted

Never give up -- never accept a lie.

[Eye and Monkey]

3. Both states - and wherever there's a question.

Not over.

[symbolman]

6. Of course!

Hell, Theresa has nearly a BILLION dollars for lawyers, if I was her I'd spend it ALL on this..

BUT, as I was saying, make sure that everyone SCREAMS FLORIDA is NOT Validated as well..

Don't let them frame this.. that's what they do.

[cthrumatrix]

2. you can't recount computer votes.... the "theft is hard to capture"

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. What happened to all the early votes?

Does anyone know if they've been counted yet?

1/3 of registered voters caste their ballots early down here.

[SoCalDemocrat]

5. Here I'll put FL back on the table for you....

Observed variance between exit polls and reported precinct results was around 5% for states using Evoting sytems without audit trails.

5% of the voting population of Florida swung from Kerry to Bush is about doubles the margin between the candidates.

Conclusion. Rigging the EVotes gave more than enough votes to Bush for him to win Florida.

Another statistic we need to run is where did all the new voters go? Votes are missing. Lots of votes. Others I believe may of incorrectly have been recast for Bush based upon variance between exit polls and posted results.

The election is in the process of being stolen.

[PretzelWarrior]

8. why can't we get our message out? FLORIDA WAS STOLEN?

no one cares. we really are in the minority subject to the tyranny of the majority now.

or....the actual majority is made to feel like a helpless minority by virtue of constant media spinning and outright lying and intimidation of viewers and outright cheating in elections.

It feels that way to me. Of course, I have been surprised by the number of idiots supporting Bush and his policies.

So....maybe my first premise of a NARROW minority really is the case.

This sucks so bad I can't even see straight.

[cthrumatrix]

10. we are the majority that are "fucked with" by the computer voting

the exit polls cannot be off that much....CNN has now changed their exit poll to clean up the crime scene

[symbolman]

12. We PDF'd the crime scene

I knew they would do it.. they had marching orders from the beginning..

together we can make a simple coherent message that can sway the MAJORITY who got ROBBED tonight..

Will Pitt wasn't the only one mugged tonight.

[symbolman]

15. This needs to be trumpeted on ALL THE BLOGS

All over the web.. our site Takebackthemedia.com once forced CNN to put back in 750 words from a Hans Blix report they censored in the same AFTERNOON..

together we have a Lot of power and we need to lockstep on this, stay positive and truthful and NEVER quit.

We boycotted Limbaugh and cost him Major advertisers in the SAME DAY..

if we all stick together on the web in lockstep we can WIN.

[symbolman]

11. As for framing

it's not even about the Provisional ballots.. this is pure psyops - they are making it as simple as possible for the common man to repeat endlessly..

it's about, like you said, the MISSING VOTES and wild swing..

we need to trumpet that on ALL the blogs.

thanks for your fine postings :)

[yowzayowzayowza]

14. Related wierdness:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1296683#1297091
:kick:

[Pig_Latin_Lover]

7. Recount what?

The original data is probably erased. No paper trail, no hard evidence.

[joshcryer]

9. symbolman is right, Ohio isn't just contested, it's Flordia, too.

That plain and simple.

[demobabe]

13. we also need to compare FL county by county 2000 to 2004

if things are on the up and up in florida, then we should see voting percentages in roughly the same proportions between both races. my bet is that we'll see a variance between 2000 and 2004, and i'm betting the black counties that just got DREs under HAVA will suddenly be way more pro-bush than they were in 2000.

where do we get these numbers?

[jfern]

17. Here

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/FL/frameset.exclude.html

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[symbolman]

18. No,

I traded the crack I was paid by the Kerry people for my vote for Bush..

got your attention tho, didn't I?

and the issue is FLORIDA, I'm telling you, this is bait and switch.. they WANT you to talk about OHIO and THAT is what will be bandied about like prize bass by the media..

I know a little bit about the media, takebackthemedia.com got over 100 million hits our first year, been on MSNBC Scarborough's show twice, once on O'reilly FOX, and Lou Dobbs..

it's FLORIDA, people will BUY that more readily, they KNOW that Jeb stole it, and that is advertising in their minds, it's BELIEVABLE and that's all that counts..

when someone Frames an arguement you REFRAME it to win.. and that's what we need to do.. of COURSE we'll be recounting Ohio, but we need to get more States on the table, get it?

now, put down the bong and be nice, we're in this together..

[RC]

19. Do not let them get away with stealing ANY state.

Ohio counts. Florida counts. Fight for accurate counts in EVERY state! ALL legal votes must count for the people to be heard.

[progdonkey]

21. it's like Iraq and Afghanistan....

If we maintain our focus on Florida, we are able to, as you said, build on the existing knowledge that something was rotten in the State of Florida in 2000. Why would this year be any different?

When the media focuses on Ohio, calling it "this year's Florida," it implies that voting in Florida was fair this year. After all, there must be a reason why Florida is not "this year's Florida"!

It's just like the way the media allows the Bush admin to talk about Afghanistan. There was hardly a mention of Afghanistan during the buildup to the war in Iraq, except when it was used as a successful "first-step." By maintaining focus on Iraq, the media enabled Bush to put Afghanistan in the best light. Surely the media would have pointed out that Afghanistan was not finished, unless Bush is actually speaking the truth. Afghanistan must be the glowing success Bush says it is; let's go to Iraq based on that success!

Likewise, we can't allow the media to follow the Bush administration's lead and focus on Ohio, where the best Kerry could hope for is an electoral victory but with a four million vote deficit--ensuring a tainted presidency ("How can someone who got fewer votes than his opponent be president," the media will--finally--ask.)

[symbolman]

22. Exactly!!

They use false assumptions to prove something else, classic diversion.. the Dems always fall for it..

They actually DO "telegraph" their moves if you watch them closely enough, this time they uses the telegraphing of their move as a head fake to Ohio FROM FLORIDA..

WHERE has Jeb been? He didn't even make the convention, lying LOW that's where.. why? BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO STEAL ANOTHER ELECTION..

But HOW to keep the onus off Florida?

Ohio.

and since we have lot of time, like mediababe said, might as well start the asskicking and housecleaning somewhere..

NEXT, the ASHCROFT bag of dirty tricks. Notice how he just now mentioned that the way he perceives the law - HE will decide WHO can sue WHO over their PERSONAL Vote.

Bet that includes Senators.

Myself, I would have a team of lawyers right now in TWO STATES SEIZING suspect Voting machines and locking them up for safety and inspection.

[demobabe]

20. ohio is the diversion in a magic trick....

symbolman isn't saying we should ignore ohio. what he's saying is that we need to pay more attention to florida where there is most likely some fraud going on. if we have to wait 11 days for provisional ballots to be counted in ohio, it could take our eye off the ball of the fraud committed elsewhere. i'd like to see us win both florida AND ohio.