I know an OH undecided - help me convince her

[NewJeffCT]

geez, it looks like both got deleted...

But, I know an Ohio undecided voter - she moved from Connecticut about 18 months ago & still keeps in touch with my wife. She is a stay-at-home mom in her mid to late 30s with a 26 month old son. She is a former engineer and is quite intelligent, but has no interest in politics & she does not discuss it with her husband.

I need some quick bullet points (with links) to help convince her for an email. I would focus on fiscal responsibility, health care, the environment, college tuition for her son. Maybe some security issues as well.

Thanks

[crispini]

1. Bush: Worst enviro pres EVER

George W. Bush will go down in history as America's worst environmental president. In a ferocious three-year attack, the Bush administration has initiated more than 200 major rollbacks of America's environmental laws, weakening the protection of our country's air, water, public lands and wildlife.

- Robert Kennedy, Jr.

http://www.leonardodicaprio.org/whatsimportant/bushrecords.php

Your other thread was deleted... you might wanna edit this one and add your post back in.

[NewJeffCT]

2. good one, thanks

And, I re-edited my post.

[MissMarple]

3. Go here for a good approach...

www.rockridgeinstitute.org

There is a lot of info on framing the issues so you can approach them from a progressive point of view. I posted some stuff today in Editorials, as well. Go there and it might save you some time. :D

[Triana]

4. HERE YOU GO...

I posted this just for that purpose...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1254222

[dirtyduck]

5. this is a little longer

but it has some great points from a republican, retired engineer. might help.

http://www.elew.com/Why%20I%20won't%20vote%20for%20George%20Bush.htm

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

6. Send her this:

John Eisenhower: Why I will not vote for Bush:
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=44657

The Cookie Analogy will never happen under Bush:
http://www.e-tractions.com/truemajority/run/oreo?rd=436

100 Facts and one opinion:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=facts

59 Reasons why Bush should not be re-elected:
http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/05/05/cover-stacy.php

Open Letter to Bush from MBA Professos:
http://maxspeak.org/mt/archives/000818.html#more

Second Term (flash):
http://www.secondterm.us/ or go here:
http://www.bushflash.com/animation.html for more of the same

94 Reasons not to vote for Bush:
http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4624

Garrison Keillor Chimes in on the Election:
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/979

Some good websites:

http://www.laterbush.com/bushisfullofit/
http://www.optruth.org
http://www.hategun.com/features/mistaken/index.html
http://www.secondterm.us/
http://www.costofwar.com/
http://www.sensibleforeignpolicy.net/letter.html
http://www.flipfloppingbush.com/
http://www.canofun.com/videoclips.asp
http://www.hategun.com/features/mistaken/index.html
http://www.kerrysupport.com/upriver/
http://www.pleasurecaptains.com/favor/howwin.html
http://icasualties.org/oif/

[The Wielding Truth]

21. Love to save this post . Can't copy the web addresses. Help

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

25. What are you looking to copy??

You can highlight the text and right click-COPY...then open an email or other file and use right click-PASTE....

Or you can save the entire webpage by selecting File | Save (or Save As)....

Or you can use this link to direct someone to this very topic: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1254460&mesg_id=1255228&page=

HTH

[DesEtoiles]

7. Lots of good stuff here: www.securitymomsforkerry.com

www.securitymomsforkerry.com

[NewJeffCT]

18. good one - thanks

Hopefully, everything will help.

[LeftHander]

8. I sent this...

to a coworker....I did'nt see your post before I posted...




I wanted to share my #1 reason for supporting John Kerry tomorrow...

I have long felt that war is truly the last resort.

Bush took us to war with Iraq under wild claims of Iraq being a threat. When it is all said and done he made the decision to use the powers given to him by congress. Now 1200 soldiers have died and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians including women and children have been killed...there is so much evidence that this war did not have to occur to fight terrorism that I could fill pages and pages.....

Simply, there was no threat. No biological weapons, no nuclear program....nothing.

George W. Bush really mislead this country to gain support for a invasion. He used fear and intimidation and a corporate controlled news media.

The America I grew up in is not a torturing, warring invader. For that reason I cannot vote for Bush and justify his terrible mistake of invading Iraq.

[Roland99]

9. Send her to this page...

http://www.conjur.com/politics - Why George W. Bush is WRONG for America

[ohtransplant]

10. Tell her to think of her son (and his future)

who will inherit the mountain of GWB's debt, a raped environment, rising tuition costs, poor prospects of receiving our current level of social security benefits, his civil liberties encroached by the likes of the Patriot act and whatever "*" would try to add in a second term.

How would she like her son's patriotism to be questioned for expressing dissent or taking an opposing view?

I could go on but you get the idea. There are few topics that won't effect her son.

We owe it to our children to leave them a safer, more secure world than we inherited.

[Ladybast]

11. Have her watch Sundance channel TONIGHT.

http://www.sundancechannel.com/

08:00 PM Uncovered: The Whole Truth About The Iraq War
directed by Robert Greenwald
09:00 PM Unconstitutional: The War on Our Civil Liberties
directed by Nonny de la Pena
10:10 PM Bush's Brain
directed by Michael Paradies Shoob and Joseph Mealey

[flpoljunkie]

12. from Big Path: Which is it Mr. President?

http://bigpath.net/politics/WIMP/WIMP_Start.html

[Liberal Veteran]

13. Tell her that oil products including heating oil have risen 65% under *

...and that his insistence not to release the strategic oil reserves to ease oil pricing IS GOING TO KILL elderly people who cannot afford 2 dollar a gallon heating oil this winter and that children will be going hungry or cold as the poor are forced to choose between food and heating.

Appeal to her sense of compassion.

[Bad Thoughts]

14. Women's health

You should note how health priorities have been taken away from women's health and pre-natal. Compounded with the generally poor economy, more women have been more insecure about pregnancies. Result: abortions have actually increased despite Bush's policies

[sandnsea]

15. We all go up together

That was the premise of the Clinton economy and that's why more people moved out of poverty and more wealth was created under Clinton. There's more to economic policy than cut taxes, cut taxes, cut taxes. Abortions and teen pregnancies went down because opportunity went up. And environmental issues. The choice on terrorism is Bush's wars to spread democracy and create Middle East peace :crazy:, or Kerry's approach to target terrrorists while creating the "we all go up together" opportunities for young Arabs that they're currently denied because we are too dependent on oil and the governments that keep the profits to themselves.

Something like that. She's too smart to be swayed by campaign rhetoric.

[RunningFromCongress]

16. Reply so I can find it later ;)

[NewJeffCT]

17. ok, I'm replying

Thanks for your help.

[Tylank]

19. good stuff

now to see if I can convince my parents to change their vote.

[Robert Oak]

20. try getting a job for her son

http://www.noslaves.com/kerrynooffshore.htm

If she used to be an engineer, tell her that difficult study,
high paying degree is no more and if she votes for Bush, her son's
job potential, even with a MS/PhD is very insecure.

[Joefess]

22. One word.

IRAQ

She has no interest in politics... Ok, well how does she feel about sending troops to war over bogus intel? How does she feel about that same war based on bogus intel and 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians?


FYI: The words intelligent and undecided don't go good together.

[liberal N proud]

23. Jobs, Economy, Environment, War on Terror, Iraq, Education, Health Care

Where do you want to start.
Miserable failure on all of the above.
The man can't talk in a normal conversation.
It really should be easy at this point.
Find out what her concerns are and hit on those.

[IdaBriggs]

24. Go To www.invisibleida.com for A TON of information.

1) 9/11 & OUR SAFETY: Prior to 9/11 George W. Bush dismantled our existing anti-terrorism systems (http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL30938.pdf - pg 6), ignored warnings of impending terrorist attacks (http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf, http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2002/05/wh051602.html, http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing8/staff_statement_8.pdf - pgs 9-10), and tried to cut the FBI counter-terrorism budget by $65 Million (12%) (http://www.americanprogress.org/atf/cf/%7BE9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-5D6FF2E06E03%7D/FY03ASHCROFT.PDF).

2) ABORTION: George W. Bush does not believe abortion laws should contain excepts for the life or health of the mother (http://debates.org/pages/trans2004c.html), which means 2% of all pregnancies, being ectopic, become automatic death sentences (http://my.webmd.com/hw/being_pregnant/hw144923.asp). Also, abortions have INCREASED during George W. Bush’s tenure as President (http://sev.prnewswire.com/magazines/20041013/DCW06813102004-1.html).

3) UNDERCOVER INTELLIGENCE: George W. Bush's administration has publicly identified two undercover CIA operatives (which is considered treason), one a specialist in “weapons of mass destruction” (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030714.shtml, http://www.commondreams.org/scriptfiles/views03/1010-12.htm) and the other an Al-Qaeda mole (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/08/10/leak_of_qaeda_suspect_name_criticized/), but George W. Bush doesn’t know which of his “trusted advisors” did it, so no one has been fired. But George W. Bush has testified (with the help of a personal criminal attorney (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0B11FB3E550C708CDDAF0894DC404482)) in front of a Grand Jury on the subject.

4) CAMPAIGN SMEARS: George W. Bush's campaign has participated in one of the worst smears ever perpetuated in presidential politics by trying to paint a decorated combat veteran as a “traitorous communist” – Ken Cordier, “Veterans for Bush” (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/21/edwards.swiftboat/index.html); Benjamin Ginsber, Campaign Lawyer (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/25/ginsberg.swiftboat/index.html, http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_08/004571.php); Robert Perry / Karl Rove, Financial Contributions (http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df08252004.html); Admiral William Schacht, $40 Million Man (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/227267p-195132c.html, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47542-2004Aug30.html); All Ties to Bush/Cheney Campaign (http://nytimes.com/imagepages/2004/08/19/politics/campaign/20040820_SWIFT_GRAPH.html); and POW “Stars” & Their Public Lies (http://www.invisibleida.com/#Suffering%20POWs, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5962170/) -- who apparently escaped detection while publicly testifying “war is bad” (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0438/turse.php) before Congress on national television and having been a public figure for the last thirty-five years.

5) DEFICITS: George W. Bush has wracked up record setting deficits (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041014/ts_nm/economy_budget_dc_4) and raided the social security trust to pay for it (http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=4985&sequence=2).

6) KEEPING US SAFE: George W. Bush keeps confusing “spending money” (which goes to his corporate cronies and Washington lobbyists) with “making America safer” when 95% of the containers coming into this country still aren’t being inspected (http://www.house.gov/hsc/democrats/dem_plan_030905.pdf - pg 4), 8000+ illegal aliens are crossing the borders daily (http://debates.org/pages/trans2004d.html), an airline “do not fly list” targets musicians and politicians instead of terrorists (http://www.house.gov/hsc/democrats/dem_plan_030905.pdf - pg 3, http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/0/545804498FEAC1D080256F3800599191!opendocument), and a huge chunk of our National Guard and Military Reserves are currently overseas (http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/opedstory1019WIRAQLETS.html).

7) OUR TROOPS: George W. Bush threatened to VETO a supplemental spending bill for the Troops in Iraq (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100777,00.html) unless it was "a gift to Iraq" and included a $27 BILLION “slush fund” for Halliburton. George W. Bush has cut services for veterans (http://www.invisibleida.com/#Cut%20Services%20for%20Veterans), left National Guard and Military Reserve families with no access to insured health care (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/local/10036787.htm), and presided over the largest loss of military personnel since the Vietnam War (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm).

8) IRAQ: George W. Bush was wrong about Iraq being an imminent threat; they had no weapons of mass destruction (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-02-un-wmd_x.htm), and were unable to prove it (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-02-04-saddam-interview_x.htm) because of corruption within the “Oil for Food” program (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6214647/site/newsweek/). They had refused to support Al-Qaeda and had nothing to do with September 11, 2001 (http://us.oneworld.net/article/view/96543/1/3319, http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm - Sec 10.3). And the "mass graves" were debunked by Tony Blair (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1263830,00.html ) (the English Prime Minister).

9) ENVIRONMENT & PUBLIC HEALTH: George W. Bush's environmental record is best described as “disastrous” (http://www.sierraclub.com/sierra/200409/sins.asp) and global climate change (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/30/science/earth/30arctic.html?oref=login) is getting worse. Meanwhile, what he’s done to the meat inspectors at the USDA (http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0102-06.htm, http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0723-02.htm) is nearly unbelievable. (At least five people in New Jersey are dead from “mad cow” (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/28/earlyshow/contributors/melindamurphy/main614154.shtml) as of this writing, while deadly e-coli and listeria outbreaks are on the rise (http://www.commondreams.org/scriptfiles/views03/1222-11.htm, http://my.webmd.com/content/article/50/40445.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}) due to the “new rules” regarding fecal matter on meat.)

10) IN GENERAL: George W. Bush has been unable to capture Osama bin Laden in three years (who is still making videos) (http://slate.msn.com/id/2108921/), despite a world wide manhunt and “doesn’t think about him much anymore” (press conference from Feb? 2004). George W. Bush will not admit to errors or mistakes (press conference Feb? 2004, 2nd Presidential Debate). George W. Bush really believes everything in Iraq is going well (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6090706/). George W. Bush allowed AK-47s back on our streets (http://www.invisibleida.com/#AK-47s), didn’t fund the 100,000 COPS program (http://www.invisibleida.com/#COPS%20Program), and hasn't done anything to fix the rising cost of healthcare (http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a0.U_8eEIUf8&refer=us). He’s either a nice guy who isn’t in touch with reality, or he’s a self-serving liar, neither of which makes a good president, but all of this is beside the point because he needs everyone to ignore reality so he can get re-elected!


More Useful Information

100 Facts and 1 Opinion: The Non-Arguable Case Against the Bush Administration: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=facts
"People of Faith for Kerry": http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/Other+News/2004102830
Republicans for Kerry: http://www.republicansforkerry.org/
Repent Nader Voters: http://www.repentantnadervoter.com/
President Bush: Flip-Flopper In Chief: http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
"Forget Bush: Its His Supporting Cast that REALLY Deserves the Boot": http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17635
The Document Sean Hannity Doesn't Want You To Read: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/september2004/230904seanhannity.htm
VotingCatholic.org: http://www.votingcatholic.org/
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[genius]

26. Copy this article and give your neighbor a copy. It's convincing

"WILL THEIR CHILDREN FORGIVE THEM?"

http://debateusa.com/featured/hull_richter.htm