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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:19 PM
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Are you guys at all serious about Texas?
Because that seems implausible to me. Whoever is, could you post some links for me, please? I'm lazy.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:20 PM
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1. We're all lazy, too...
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:22 PM
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4. Yup Lazy
and with no life either.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:25 PM
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6. You sound like me.
What a winning combination, isn't it. ;) :toast:
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:26 PM
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8. Love that map
:toast:
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elcondor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:22 PM
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2. It's not going to happen
I do believe Kerry is going to win, and perhaps by a lot, but we have to be realistic
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:22 PM
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3. Texas? That's kooky-talk! n/t
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:23 PM
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5. no links
not lazy, but from what i hear from others around the state, & massive early voter turn-outs in every county, i'm serious when i say we can take texas back on tuesday. all we need to do on tuesday is get out the vote.

dg
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:26 PM
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7. Not going to happen.
Bush is up 22% in the polls as of 3 days ago. So, unless you plan on drafting a couple hundred thousand Democratic voters from other states, there is no chance of winning Texas.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:27 PM
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9. Here's the deal, according to this TX dem
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 09:30 PM by Moonbeam_Starlight
I will eat both my shoes if TX goes blue THIS time.

BUT.

TX Dems are VERY angry, possibly just a bit more so than in a lot of red states. We were redistricted to death. We've been, sorry but fucked by the state GOP. AND we've lived under bush for a total of ten years. To be blunt, we're sick of that lying sack of shit.

There are hard times all around, but our entire state government is overrun by repuke cockroaches kicking children off CHIPs (children's health insurance for low income working parents), destroying our air and water even more than before, refusing to fix the school finance situation, etc.

We have SO much freaking motivation to vote Dem this year.

I think we're (TX Dems) a case of being kicked around too hard, too long and we've been kicking back by getting really organized, working super hard, and being very determined to hit the gop where it HURTS.

That being said, I think TX will turn pink. Gore got 38-39% of the vote here in 2000 (I've heard both figures). I am figuring on Kerry taking 45% this time. Seriously. Easily.

Already the major urban counties have broken early voting records by a LOT. Dallas County had 195,000 people vote early in 2000. This year it was over 300,000. Just think about that alone. The same thing happened this year in Harris County (Houston), Bexar County (San Antonio), Tarrant County (Ft. Worth) and Travis County (Austin). El Paso County went for Gore in 2000 and it'll be the same this year. We'll still have the border counties, the coastal counties, the counties that always go blue along Lousiana and Arkansas and we'll probably pick up several more. Good ol' Robertson County will probably be blue again in a sea of red. That leaves bush with the panhandle, West Texas (except for El Paso and the border areas) and parts of east and central TX.

If Kerry carries the urban counties in TX, that will count for quite a bit.

Again, we won't go blue, but I am hoping the numbers will be very surprising. And it will put the state gop on notice.

We won't stop there. I have a long term goal of seeing TX solidly blue in 3 more election cycles or less. Maybe four. Watch us.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:30 PM
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12. Take heart
Richard Morrison is going to deliver the second biggest blow to the Evil Empire on Tuesday night.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:35 PM
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16. Thanks for the straight dope.
I was wondering how close it was, in fact. Alas, where I live, Wyoming, has virtually no hope of ever going Blue. I'm hoping that Ladd can at least make the returns scary enough to make that bitch Cubin sweat on Tues. night.

www.laddforwyoming.com

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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:38 PM
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19. There is hope, though.
If there's hope here, there can be hope in Wyoming, Utah, Idaho.

I swear.

You just have to mobilize, start small, think big, get your county Dem party fired up again if it isn't, work like hell, blood sweat and tears.

You can do it!

Think long-term, too. I am not just looking at this election but into the future. I want my fucking state back dammit.
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Doohickie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:39 PM
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20. I think Mrs. Moonbeam summed it up pretty well.
This year, the country. In the future, Texas.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:40 PM
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22. Geez
you sum up things so well. I am so NOT concise! LOL!

Paul is right. Absolutely. We're going to keep fighting. Watch out in 2006 you nasty Texas repukes.

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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:28 PM
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10. I definately don't see it happening
Not this go around. In the future, maybe.

P.S. Your sig pic is really mezmerizing.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:29 PM
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11. Texas can kiss my ass.
I'm a fourth-generation Texan, born a few blocks from the Alamo, and I remember as a child that there were almost NO republicans in the whole state. As the suburbs have grown, and people have moved into the state from all over the country to "reinvent" themselves, the very worst elements of the "rugged individualist" myth have taken over Texas. When George W. Bush was elected governor, I moved out of the state and whenver I go back to visit old friends, I'm more and more pissed off at how f**king DUMB the place has become. (Maybe I've gotten smarter.)
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:31 PM
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13. Those that have stayed to take the place back
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 09:31 PM by Moonbeam_Starlight
don't want to kiss your ass!

Hugs! ;) And stop making me jealous, Ron!
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:37 PM
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18. Hey, Moonbeam! I'm traveling to Texas next weekend (the first time since
I've moved to Oregon, although I've been back several times since I moved to New Mexico.) I just hope to God that the election turns out well, because I don't think I can take it if * is selected again. However, the friends I'm going to visit are all Democrats, so at least I'll be in a safe place when I get there.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:33 PM
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14. Not lazy, but tired
Tired from blockwalking. Tired from phonebanking. Tired from doing visibilty events. Tired from getting up early in the morning to put up signs.

But most of all, tired of being written off by people who are too lazy to even imagine that victory is in our grasp.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:37 PM
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17. You rock.
You are officially owed beer from this Wyomingite. Good on ya, have a wonderful Tuesday. :beer: :toast:
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:46 PM
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27. Thanks!
mmmm, beer :beer:
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:34 PM
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15. Dupe, sorry
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 09:35 PM by NoPasaran
But still tired
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:39 PM
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21. Hey I love you
Austinite Dems. Jealous of you too, because you live in a nice little liberal area (unless you are in Round Rock, ROFL!).

I owe you a beer, too!
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:52 PM
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28. South Austin here
I owe a beer to all the Texas Dems doing the hard work out beyond the confines of our cozy little peoples' republic!
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:42 PM
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23. It is hard to imagine, but...
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 09:44 PM by quaker bill
I have to believe that Delay and the redistricting riot had to be big news there. There are democrats in Texas and not too long ago they elected Ann Richards....

People in Fla are very angry over the bush coup in 2000 and they are turning out at the polls. The GOP'ers attempted to pass out Bush fliers to the folks in my early voting line. They rather quickly got the impression that their presence was not welcome. It sorted itself out without violence, but it came close. There were a few saying things like "Hey jackass, you want to challenge my right to vote?" More than one "F ck B sh" all that is missing is u t-shirts. More interesting yet was that the loudest objectors were upper middle class white men.

I can see how the same reaction might happen in Texas over the redistricting fiasco.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:43 PM
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24. How about this analysis of Texas?
It's from the NY Times:

“There wasn’t that big a margin last time, and he’s not going to come anywhere near that,” said Richard Stein, a professor of political science at Rice University, who said he had seen a “phenomenal” surge in voter interest in the election.
Richard Murray, a professor of political science at the University of Houston and a leading Texas pollster, said Bush’s prospects in the state had diminished. “He’s clearly not running as well as last time,” Murray said.
In 2000, Bush beat Al Gore in Texas by a margin of 59 percent to 38 percent, with Ralph Nader taking 2 percent of the vote.
This time, with Nader not on the Texas ballot, Murray said some polls had projected a percentage in the mid-50s for Bush, with a likely margin of 600,000 to 800,000 votes over Kerry, rather than the 1.4 million of 2000.
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Doohickie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:52 AM
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29. I realize Texas is probably still Red for this year, but...
I just envisioned a news report stating, "...and in the biggest surprise of this Election Night, the president's own home state of Texas has gone to John Kerry."

The thought sends chills down my spine... the good kind!

There would be some serious back-slappin', horn-honkin' & high-fivin'!
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:45 PM
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25. Texas in the cross hairs for next time
DeLay first. Who's next?

Money, power led to political domination

By Wayne Slater
The Dallas Morning News
Posted October 31 2004

The Hammer: Tom DeLay: God, Money and the Rise of the Republican Congress. Lou Dubose and Jan Reid. Perseus Books. $26. 306 pp.


In one of those odd coincidences of history, two Texans found Jesus in 1985 -- one a future president, the other destined to dominate Congress.

George W. Bush, the patrician son of a political family, said he was born again after an encounter with the Rev. Billy Graham at the family compound in Kennebunkport, Maine.

Tom DeLay, a scrappy, self-made owner of a pest control business, was reborn watching a TV video of evangelist James Dobson in the office of a congressional colleague.

Whatever their differences, each man's religious experience had the same effect: a newfound focus and discipline that set two drifting underachievers on a trajectory of extraordinary political success.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/booksmags/sfl-bkdelayoct31,0,6330942.story?coll=sfla-features-books

Machiavelli was right: "There's no saint like a reformed sinner."
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baltodemvet Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:46 PM
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26. Cool graphic, man!
Now, which one is Texas?
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:01 AM
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30. No DeLay, Stop DeLay, today.
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