Quick response to Sh*t Boat charges of treason----stop rumors early

[Zuni]

Perhaps that explains the very first sentence in the "circular" -- the one that probably best sums up the experience of North Vietnamese efforts to influence the US anti-war movement. "The antiwar movements in the US are unpredictable." From this circular -- laying aside questions of it's accuracy -- we can draw a few conclusions, not at all consistent with the "conspiratorial" conclusions drawn by the Swift Boat Liars.

1. One antiwar group received "assistance and guidance" from the NV in Paris. That group was the PCPJ.

2. The PCPJ was not "closely associated" with the other principle anti-war group, the NPAC -- as evidenced by the failure of the two groups to cooperate on a number of points, including the failure of the PCPJ to convince the NPAC to adopt its slogans and tactics, and the conspicuous failure of the PCPJ to gain cooperation from the NPAC in demonstrations to be held in May 71. .

3. Many of the slogans and tactics of the PCPJ -- those presumably advanced by the NV in Paris -- were "not successful."

4. John Kerry, in July, 1971, adopted the position of the NPAC for a “timeline” for US withdrawal, which was at odds with that advanced by the PCPJ -- suggesting that John Kerry's positions with the VVAW were also at odds with the "assistance and guidance" furnished by the NV in Paris. In other words, Kerry SPECIFICALLY DID NOT FOLLOW that "guidance" -- assuming that he ever heard it.

5. To the extent that Kerry's actions coincide with the desires of the North Vietnamese delegation in Paris, it is not because that delegation was directing Kerry, it is because that delegation was "learning lessons" from the failures of its own operatives -- those in the PCPJ – who had unsuccessfully urged “immediate withdrawal” as the anti-war position.

6. John Kerry was part of the "unpredictability" of the anti-war movement -- a movement, which the "circular" correctly describes as "spontaneous."

7. The North Vietnamese clearly wanted to influence the American anti-war movement, but they were largely unsuccessful. The anti-war movement was an American movement, made up of American citizens concerned about the actions of our government in what many regarded -- and still regard -- as a misguided foreign military adventure. They were not "communists" or 'revolutionaries' -- as evidenced by the refusal of most to adopt the "communist" or "revolutionary" slogans suggested by the North Vietnamese. In fact, it appears that the North Vietnamese made the same mistake our own flying monkeys have made. They equated dissent on the wisdom of American involvement in Vietnam with sympathy for the communists in Vietnam. It wasn't that Americans opponents of the war in Vietnam were "communists" who "supported" the North Vietnamese. It was rather a fundamental question about the wisdom of sacrificing 58,000 American soldiers to fight communists in a jungle on the other side of the world. The flying monkeys will, without hesitation, send your son to die fighting communists on the other side of the world -- no matter how dictatorial or corrupt the regime is on "our" side. Most Americans stand with the majority position of the anti-war movement. We believe in exercising a little discretion before we send our sons to die overseas. John Kerry clearly held that sensible majority position.

That brings us around to the "talking points."

This story will "hit" the media -- and will be circulated "under the radar" in private emails, etc. -- by Sunday or so. You need to be ready.

Here is your one paragraph response.

The captured documents do not show that the American anti-war movement was influenced or "guided" by the North Vietnamese. They show the opposite. The documents themselves describe the anti-war movement as "spontaneous" and "unpredictable." They show that the one organization in contact with the North Vietnamese -- the PCPJ -- failed to gain the cooperation of other anti-war groups. They show that the "slogans" and "tactics" suggested by the North Vietnamese were "not successful" -- in the words of the circular. Oh, and the documents don't mention Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- or John Kerry in particular -- AT ALL.



If you see this story in your newspaper, see it on TV, hear it on the radio, or see in your email, RESPOND TO IT IMMEDIATELY -- using the facts I have just laid out. If you can't remember the further details, just send along a link to this page. Remember, this kind of "late hit" from the flying monkeys is designed to level a charge, and not give us time to refute it -- something we can absolutely do, using their own source material. Those captured documents don't show what they claim, and you must make sure as many people know it, as soon as this story rears it's head, as you can.

[Zuni]

1. kick for everyone to read

[Zuni]

2. .....

[AnIndependentTexan]

3. media matters has all you need to know

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010/

In this series of articles, Corsi has accused Kerry of "violating the legal provision against negotiating with foreign powers (18 U.S.C. 953) and the constitutional prohibition against giving support to our nation's enemies during wartime (Article III, Section 3)"; asserted that Kerry's actions as an anti-war activist amounted to treason; and claimed that "Kerry and the VVAW consistently coordinated their efforts with Communists." Corsi asserted that, in 1971, Kerry's anti-war activism amounted to a proclamation by him that "Communists were right in maintaining that American values were corrupt and that the only solution was for America to capitulate so Communism could continue to spread." As Media Matters for America has noted, Kerry was quoted expressing exactly the opposite sentiment in a December 12, 1971, Boston Globe article: "I don't like Communists," Kerry said. "In fact, I hate them. I hate all totalitarians. I'm totally dedicated to representative, pluralistic, free democracy."

On August 6, Salon.com's Joe Conason documented links between Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and the conservative online forum www.FreeRepublic.com. Conason noted that the designer of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth website is Robert A. Hahn, a director of the Free Republic Network, a conservative activist organization affiliated with FreeRepublic.com. Scott Swett, who is listed as the webmaster of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth website, swiftvets.com, also appeared on FOX News Channel host Sean Hannity's August 5 radio show to discuss the group. Swett posts frequently to FreeRepublic.com, using the pseudonym "Interesting Times," and is also a director of the Free Republic Network. The wintersoldier.com website to which Swett has contributed articles is a project of the Free Republic Network.

Corsi is also a frequent participant in FreeRepublic.com's online forums, posting under the pseudonym "jrlc" since 2001. (Click here to read a full set of Corsi's posts; click here to read the post in which "jrlc" admits to being Jerome Corsi.)

On FreeRepublic.com, Corsi has, among other things, said that "ragheads" are "boy buggers"; referred to "John F*ing Kerry"; called Senator Hillary Clinton a "Fat Hog"; referred to her daughter as "Chubby Chelsie" Clinton; referred to Janet Reno as "Janet Rhino"; called Katie Couric "Little Katie Communist"; suggested Kerry was "practicing Judaism"; and expressed the wish that a small plane that had crashed into a building in Los Angeles had instead crashed into the set of NBC'S The West Wing, thereby killing actor Martin Sheen.

[Walt Starr]

4. They've been trying to float this shit story for three months now

They're meeting Sunday on the steps of the capital claiming they have somebody who gave Kerry a less than honorable discharge.

They dropped the above story because it wouldn't fly (because it's a bullshit lie).

[TexasChick]

5. Zuni, I have probably post this on two or three threads now! LOL!

But, if you wish to give the Kerry campaign a heads up, you can send them an email at [e-mail].

[Walt Starr]

6. Shhhhh, don't tell anyone, but I think the Freepers are being punk'd

;)

[TexasChick]

7. Walt, send me a PM because I'm not sure what you mean! n/t

[Walt Starr]

8. You've got PM

[Zuni]

9. Just making sure we all have the ammo to beat back a possible charge

If a rumor starts and makes it into the news this weekend, we only have a few days to refute it, so I am giving everyone all the info they need in advance.

[NAO]

10. Kerry has been 'vetted' by Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr.

People need to realize that Kerry has been 'vetted' in the process of confronting and exposing powerful, corrupt demagogues such as Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr.

Kerry confronted Nixon on Vietnam, and Nixon is on record as saying 'we need to get something on Kerry' (before he becomes another Nader, lol). Nixon got nothing on Kerry.

Kerry led the investigation into the treasonous corrupt Reagan regime that was conducting illegal arms deals with the enemies of the United States, against the express directive of the US Congress. The lesser minions of Reagan are now lesser minions of Dubya. If they could have dug up something on Kerry, they would have. It could have kept some of them out of jail. They found nothing.

Kerry also investigated BCCI during the Bush Sr. years. Bush Sr. was proudly carrying the Bush family torch of international criminal activities. Bush Sr. was also head of the CIA for a period, and had many high level connections with 'the Agency'. If ANYONE was in a position to dig up something on Kerry, it was Bush Sr. - yet nothing turned up.

If Kerry were not completely bulletproof, he would have been sunk long ago by the powerful corrupt leaders he confronted. Anything they lob at him is going to turn out to be a baseless smear.

[regnaD kciN]

11. Oh, #%&*...!

1. One antiwar group received "assistance and guidance" from the NV in Paris. That group was the PCPJ.

Guess which group I was involved with back then... x(

In all honesty, several points should be made:

-- I was 14 at the time.

-- The PCPJ was the only anti-war group at my high school; it was either them or nothing.

-- The local PCPJ people were mainly stoners looking for an excuse to cut class as part of a "student strike."

-- My involvement consisted entirely of a) signing their "People's Peace Treaty," and b) as an authorized AV aide, running one of the school's film projectors during a "teach-in" in a commandeered vacant classroom. (As a side note, I got permission from one of my teachers to miss class so that I could fulfill my AV aide duties in running the projector...I didn't bother informing him it was for a PCPJ event rather than a regular class. :hippie: )

Am I surprised that the PCPJ was involved with the North Vietnamese? Somewhat. They tended toward jejune, pompous lefty "Power to The People!" sloganeering, but they were certainly not alone in that among the myriad of anti-war or radical groups at the time. I guess I'm more surprised that the North Vietnamese would take this group seriously enough to see it as a propaganda tool. As someone once put it, they'd have had a hard time organizing a dinner party, let alone a revolution.

So, I guess there go any hopes for a future political career...although my past record as the Trenton Post Office Bomber of 1975 (see the archives) probably disqualified me for that already.

;-)