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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 09:48 PM
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Osama Bin Laden Tape - TRANSCRIPT
You American people, my speech to you is the best way to avoid another conflict about the war and its reasons and results. I am telling you security is an important pillar of human life. And free people don't let go of their security, contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom. He should tell us why we didn't hit Sweden for instance. It's known that those who hate freedom don't have dignified souls like the 19 who were blessed. But we fought you because we are free people, we don't sleep on our oppression. We want to regain the freedom of our Muslim nation as you spill our security, we spill your security.

I am so surprised by you. Although we are in the fourth year after the events of Sept. 11, Bush is still practicing distortion and misleading on you, and obscuring the main reasons and, therefore, the reasons are still existing to repeat what happened before. I will tell you the reasons behind these incidents.

I will be honest with you on the moment when the decision was taken to understand. We never thought of hitting the towers. But after we were so fed up, and we saw the oppression of the American Israeli coalition on our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind, and the incidents that really touched me directly goes back to 1982 and the following incidents. When the U.S. permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon with the assistance of the 6th fleet. In these hard moments, it occurred to me so many meanings I can't explain, but it resulted in a general feeling of rejecting oppression and gave me a hard determination to punish the oppressors. While I was looking at the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it came to my mind to punish the oppressor the same way and destroy towers in the U.S. to get a taste of what they tasted, and quit killing our children and women.

We didn't find difficulty dealing with Bush and his administration due to the similarity of his regime and the regimes in our countries. Which half of them are ruled by military and the other half by sons of kings and presidents and our experience with them is long. Both parties are arrogant and stubborn and the greediness and taking money without right and that similarity appeared during the visits of Bush to the region while people from our side were impressed by the U.S. and hoped that these visits would influence our countries. Here he is being influenced by these regimes, royal and military. And was feeling jealous they were staying for decades in power stealing the nations' finances without anybody overseeing them. So he transferred the oppression of freedom and tyranny to his son, and they call it the Patriot Law to fight terrorism. He was bright in putting his sons as governors in states, and he didn't forget to transfer his experience from the rulers of our region to Florida to falsify elections to benefit from it in critical times.

We agreed with Mohamed Atta, God bless him, to execute the whole operation in 20 minutes. Before Bush and his administration would pay attention and we never thought that the high commander of the U.S. armies would leave 50 thousand of his citizens in both towers to face the horrors by themselves when they most needed him, because it seemed to distract his attention from listening to the girl telling him about her goat butting was more important than paying attention to airplanes butting the towers which gave us three times the time to execute the operation thank God.

Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your hands. Each state that doesn't mess with our security has automatically secured their security.


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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 09:55 PM
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1. Bin Laden is an asshole.
What a sicko psycho. Pretending to be a holy man. What an asshole.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:04 PM
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3. "Pretending to be a holy man"
Sound like someone else we know?

"Imagine...no religion"
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:18 PM
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7. Huh?
Your response makes me wonder if you're capable of viewing ANYTHING objectively. Yours would be pretty much the chimp's response, based on my assessment of his demonstrated cerebral capacity.

My thought is that he's said everything we would've said (if we were honest) if they had done to us what we did to them. I've always thought that 9/11 was payback for what we've done to the Palestinians through the criminally-evil stewardship of the Israelis.

Gyre
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:54 PM
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25. Do you mean ALL Israelis or just the government of Israel?
Because I sure wouldn't want to be painted with that broad brush as the "criminally-evil stewardship of the" Americans because my county's government is criminal.

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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 09:58 PM
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2. Where is this from?
Link?
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:06 PM
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4. TRANSCRIPT Source
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:23 PM
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8. Link goes to nothing
?????

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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 01:39 AM
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46. Jerry Falwell contributes content to that site.
Also noticed on the About page they go way out of their way to insist it's an "independent" news outlet.

I'm feeling a bit skeptical.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:21 AM
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48. Here's the BBC transcript
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:10 PM
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5. That is the first time I have read the whole thing
He really did slaughter Bush.

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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:13 PM
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6. you know this country isn't 'free' when you start to post something
controversial and then delete it thinking it's not worth the personal risk.

HATE HATE HATE

That's what we're left with.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:28 AM
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49. sad, isn't it?
i don't say much. sigh.
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seraph Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:28 PM
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9. I can only speak for myself

But I do not believe that DU should be used as a platform for Osama bin Laden.

I am hitting the alert button, and believe this post should be deleted.

THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ARE ABOUT HERE.

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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:31 PM
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10. It's news.
I think he's an asshole too, but I wanted to read this, and I'm not afraid to read it.
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seraph Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:34 PM
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12. Wouldn't a link do?
Edited on Fri Oct-29-04 10:34 PM by seraph

Look, I'm Mr. First Amendment; but it doesn't help us to have this posted here verbatim.

News yes? A platform for OBL? No. I don't think this helps.

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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:33 PM
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11. Being ignorant isn't what we are about either.
This post was clearly labeled in the subject line. You had the option to skip it. Whether or not it is a "platform" may be subjective.

"Know thy enemy" has some merit also.
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seraph Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:35 PM
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13. Huh?


"Know thy enemy"???

What exactly were you unclear about with respect to OBL?

Just curious really...

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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:40 PM
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17. I don't think I know much about him at all, other than what the media
decides I should know via the sound bites or pieces of the transcripts they think should be presented.

If OBL said in his tape, "If Americans travel to _______ we will attack them" and the press didn't report that I would be interested to read it on my own. Since I come to DU, I am alays relieved to find things here I hadn't run across elsewhere.

Yes. I learned something about OBL from the transcript that I didn't know before.
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betterdeadthanred Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:35 PM
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14. Why?
Most of everything going on is because people don't take a minute to hear what others have to say. To understand why all this is happening, you have to understand who you are fighting. Why do people here constantly watch Free Republic? You have to know your enemy.

I was wondering myself where I could find a transcript, I don't want to hear what the media picks out for me to hear. I want to see all of it and try to understand why all of this is happening. To keep ones head in the sand like a damn ostrich accomplishes nothing. Posting a transcript is hardly giving Osama a platform. You have the choice to not read it. I also have a choice, and I want to see all of it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:48 PM
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21. Aaron Brown said we are only hearing 7 minutes of I think he said a 19
minute tape. I want to hear the whole thing. I don't know if what was posted here is an accurately translated transcript, but we need to hear this. After all if we are at "War" with him, he certainly deserves to give his side of what he did in taking down the Towers.

I won't side with Bush that we don't "talk or negotiate" with our enemies. And, I refuse to believe that Osama should be censored. What is it that we would be afraid of hearing?
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betterdeadthanred Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:59 PM
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27. That's what I am talking about
Who is choosing what parts we get to hear? And why? What's on the rest that someone feels the need to 'shelter' us from? I don't trust the Bush administration and what they feel I need to hear.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:04 PM
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29. I don't know if I would say that OBL "deserves" anything from us besides
Edited on Fri Oct-29-04 11:05 PM by mgdecombe
complete annihilation.

However, during times like these, when the media does not report accurately, the only way we can get real information to make informed decisions is to see source material, and in that sense, it is WE who DESERVE to have access to this material.

I had no desire to view any of the beheading tapes. I didn't think that they could serve any purpose but to personally terrorize me. But in this case, I think that reading a transcript is part of an important process I need to experience as a citizen in a *very* confusing time.

It is my job to get as many people to vote for Kerry on Tuesday as possible. If I am armed with the facts of this event, I am better prepared as a Kerry supporter.

This is not a question of Osama Bin Laden's "rights". He has NONE as far as I am concerned, and should be obliterated from the planet as soon as possible. However, it IS my right, and yours, to see this material.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:50 PM
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37. You don't believe in the right of an accused to have a fair trial, then?
Why?
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George W. Dunce Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:38 PM
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16. You are right we should be censoring all news from now on???
I my self was just searching for the transcript of the tape and I thank you for providing it.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:38 PM
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15. Let's be good little brainy folks and analyze this crap ad nauseum
I would if I thought this joker deserved a minute of acknowledgement for what he is saying, but we are no better than the whore media if we give him any more credit than the media whores already have.

This is just a bunch of jibberish from an angry mass murderer. The biggest thing Bush and Osama have in common is they are both mass-murderers who need to be executed for their crimes. terrorists x 2
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:45 PM
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19. I don't think any analysis was going on here, just reading --until our
right to read it here was questioned.

No one here said anything good about OBL.

And I beg to differ... we are INFINITELY better than the media whores here. We allow open debate and sometimes just have to agree to disagree.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:51 PM
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22. Bush Lied about why we Invaded Iraq and probably Afghanistan. So, why
shouldn't we hear what Osama says about taking out the Towers. How do we even know for sure it WAS Osama since we've been told nothing but lies and had cover up after cover up and pointing blame everywhere from this administration about it's own dirty dealings.

:shrug:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:42 PM
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18. He has valid points. But I don't give a shit at this point.
There were other means to make his viewpoint on American foreign policy known besides recruiting likeminded terrorists into murdering 3000 innocent people.

Those were the actions of a coward. His message to Americans will fall on deaf ears.
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:47 PM
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20. well, at least Europe is getting it right..
..they are really starting to boycott american products abroad. McDonalds, Coke, all of them. These companies are the reason Islam is attacking us no?

Its not about FREEDOM, its about the Multi-Nationals spreading overseas in the name of PROFIT. American companies are forcing its culture on other countries and they have had it.

American soldiers may as well stick Unocal, Coke, and Halliburton Logos on their uniforms. That would more accurately tell the story.



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betterdeadthanred Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:52 PM
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23. Thanks!
Someone around here "gets it".

A word to the wise, when people feel that they are not being listened to, they usually resort to drastic measures in order to be heard. It's really not that complicated. Muslims have been telling the US for years to get out of their countries. We haven't listened.
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:55 PM
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26. touche.
and to all the naysayers about votepair.org, I just wanted to say that I have obtained a Kerry Voter in New York City, and I will be casting a Kerry vote for Her in Colorado, a swing state.

She, in turn, will cast an indie vote for me in NYC. Take that establishment!

Now, would someone like to tell me how this does not work?

And no, I am not for Nader either. He's terrible.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:16 PM
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35. I will tell you how this doesn't work
You say you obtained a Kerry voter in NYC.

What you really obtained is a person who CLAIMS to be a Kerry Voter, and who CLAIMS to be in NYC.

For all you know, you got one of the folks from here: http://www.wspd.com/bobf2.html
1. Set up a few bogus email accounts on Yahoo or Hotmail. Make up names if you'd like.
2. Go to www.VotePair.org .
3. Select a swing state such as Florida or Pennsylvania where Nader is on the ballot.
4. Select "Nader" as your first choice for President.
5. Enter your name and email address so they can pair you with a Kerry supporter in a "safe state."
7. Confirm your agreement to vote for Kerry in your swing state via the email they send to your account while he agrees to vote for Nader in his safe state.
8. Print your confirmation email.
9. Take your printed email into your bathroom and use it as a substitute for your Charmin.
10. Go to your precinct on November 2nd and vote for George W. Bush.
11. Feel proud that you helped stop voter fraud in the United States of America!

or one of the folks from here:
You could simply go to VotePair.org and sign up as a Nader voter. You don’t even have to use your real name, state and e-mail. You could, for instance, pretend to be a Nader voter in a swing state (FL, OH, WI, MO, MN, OR, NM, IA, PA, MI.) If you do sign up as a Nader voter, you’ll get an e-mail from your vote-trading partner in a couple of weeks. Play along and enjoy!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1231438/posts

Please just vote for Kerry, since you obviously feel it's the best thing to do in Colorado, and urge her to vote for Kerry also, to help us win the popular vote.

Back on topic, thanks for posting the transcript. As far as I know, bin laden is a mass murderer from our perspective, and Bush is a mass murderer from their perspective. I don't think you can stop any sort of crime without understanding the mindset that causes it. It was an interesting read.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 12:22 AM
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39. Hey, HE'S the one in the swing state.
So it's BETTER he's voting for Kerry instead of Nader! Hopefully the voter in the safe state will respect his wishes.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:09 PM
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30. You think it's a GOOD thing when American products are boycotted?
I can think of many good reasons not to eat a big mac. The fact that it's an American corporation will *never* be one of them for me.
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betterdeadthanred Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:13 PM
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32. You are also not muslim
having McDonalds, Walmart etc shoved down your throat either. They don't want that stuff in their culture. Nothing too difficult to understand there. Hell, small towns in the US don't want Walmart in their area either, but guess what? What they want and want they get are two entirely different things as well.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:15 PM
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33. You miss my point. I am no lover of Walmart. However, I love America
and do not celebrate the wholesale boycotting of American products.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:53 PM
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24. Doesn't "mess" with our security?
Anyone else find it weird that someone would translate it this way? Like it was written in vernacular English first?

Honestly, for the first time here I'm starting to wear a tinfoil hat.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:00 PM
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28. Those F'CKING B'ST'RDS. Bush crew is MISSLEADING AMERICANS
He edited this f'cking tape to suit his need politically. How the h'll can we hit hard on this and get the truth out? I'm so f'cking pissed. This isn't favoring a political party. We can't let them get away with this. Sorry for the language
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Joe Turner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 01:05 AM
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42. That's my suspicion too after listening to many summaries tonight
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:11 PM
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31. Reuters has a different transcript...
It's their own translation:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6665201

It seems a little more readable to me.... also it shows where the redacted parts are missing...
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betterdeadthanred Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Thanks!
Probably will have to go to the middle east papers online to get the true, unedited version. Is that a crock or what?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:56 PM
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38. It's still excerpts. Maybe BBC/Guardian will post full translation. (n/t)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 12:23 AM
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40. I don't think the whole TAPE's been released yet.. n/t
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:39 PM
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36. need the whole thing. ~70 mins
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 12:36 AM
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41. i thought the tape was only 18 minutes? n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 01:23 AM
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43. Authentic?
I wonder if this is authentic Bin Laden. As one who has lived in several different European countries, this tape seems to me to have a very western, possibly even very American, point of view. The usual religious jargon is missing as is most of the flowery salutations, etc. that Bin Laden has used in the past, if I remember correctly. This just does not sound right to me. I'm probably wrong, but it just doesn't sound right. The values are too European/American. I wish I could compare the transcript from the earlier Bin Laden tape. I haven't watched Nightline yet. I may change my mind on this after watching the tape. Does anyone else doubt the authenticity?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 01:36 AM
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45. Well, I don't know, but I find it kind of strange that instead of
promising more attacks, as he usually does, he says we might not be attacked. Isn't that different from what he usually says?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 01:34 AM
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44. Authentic?
What bothers me about the tape is that it doesn't have the Muslim/Bin Laden fanatical religiosity language or even viewpoint. This is just not the way a fanatical Muslim would understand the facts being discussed or express his ideas/feelings about them. This just doesn't ring true to me. I risk sounding ridiculous, but, putting on my tin foil hat, if the Bush campaign is desperate and unprincipled enough to fake a crowd photo, why wouldn't it fake a Bin Laden tape?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 01:56 AM
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47. Authentic?
Just watched Nightline. Richard Clarke does not seem to question the tape's authenticity, and he is the expert. So I accept that I am probably wrong to question it myself. Maybe the usual flowery, religious and phony, humble Bin Laden language was "lost in translation."
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:28 AM
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50. CNN said it was 18 minutes long. Is this condensed?
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 03:19 AM
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51. Bin Laden looks pretty healthy
For a guy who's never been laid.

It must be a hectic schedule: campaigning for the caliphate, orchestrating beheadings, juggling finances, being on the lam--and they say he's on dialysis. How does he do it?

Message to young Osama wanabees: If you want to grow up to be a pious terrorist mastermind, lay off the Mecca-Cola. That stuff'll kill you.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 03:39 AM
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52. Never been laid? He's got a bunch of kids.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:03 AM
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53. at least 24 children --I did not know that
Do you think he enjoys sex?
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