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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 01:54 AM
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How will President Kerry deal with the RW media when in office?
Will they undermine him at every turn?
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 01:56 AM
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1. I really don't think the media is naturally RW
I think the Repugs have just been able to better manipulate it lately. The media was scared to criticize Bush for so long for fear of being called unpatriotic. But righ now, they are sick of the lies and abuse BushCo feeds them. I really think they will lay off Kerry.
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RunningFromCongress Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:00 AM
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2. I was listening to the radio and they had Ted Koppel on
and he was talking about how the media gets so reactive to being called liberal that they over-react and lean right.
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:02 AM
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4. That makes sense, but Fox is obviously
marketing op ed as news. There should be some FCC rule against such.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:23 AM
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12. Koppel doesn't get
how much legitimacy he has ceded to the RW. He does not do the job but is a cork tossed around by high seas. Sadly he seems affected by pressures, outside contributions instead of doing the ffing job. Bush has ridden the natural weaknesses of the news media further into the ground than their own cozy decline into corporate infotainment.

Why would anyone go to theses empty personalities for news and analysis? Anything but and their national forum monopoly dwindled and scattered long ago so that a comedy channel or a radio good can compete at the same level. I would be amazed if he suddenly took his book, looked at it and burst into tears, but the reason he is there primping it instead is exactly the nature of the problem.

TV News is dead, by most stringent journalistic standards, at least in the showcases and the aggregate.

And why not? Their real life drama is dealing with the news editors who deal with the tycoon bosses and the GOP Noise Machine. They stopped dealing with the streets and us long ago. Somewhere along the way they lost their vocation. But news media life is too insulated and economically cozy for them to admit that, until the doors are are broken in or their business simply collapses.
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:07 AM
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7. how about enforcing some
of the old monopoly rules, and taking it back to only being able to own 6 stations instead of empires.
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:11 AM
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8. Good idea!
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 03:50 AM
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18. YES!! Good place to start!
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 07:37 AM
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25. Exactly, after the election DU needs to push for a media breakup!
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manic Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:28 AM
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31. my 'to do' list reads as follows:
Bush voted in - target Murdoch.
Bush voted out - target Murdoch.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:30 AM
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32. I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in..
I'm sure that corporate owned media is going to treat fairly a political party that puts people ahead of corporations..
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:01 AM
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3. I hope by signing the Gitmo incarceration
papers
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Dukakis88 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:03 AM
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5. Each reporter is like a VC with a rocket launcher. He'll know what to do.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:04 AM
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6. All media sources will come to repect him....
I just know it ~:bounce:~ (even some on Faux)
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:14 AM
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9. How will we deal with RW media forever?
Pull the Plug and Boycott Advertisers!!!
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:20 AM
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10. The right wing...
... will use all their resources to keep feeding the media their point of view, and I'm certain that the attacks will continue from the usual suspects.

What may change, to some extent, the way that the press treats Kerry will be his willingness to give the press access--straightforward answers to questions, frequent press conferences, etc., fewer empty slogans and more substance in encounters with the press, and a damned good press secretary (and I don't mean that in the sense of having one that's a damned good weasel).

The press may then understand just how much they've missed in the last four years. When they realize just how badly they've been treated by the Bushies, how much they gave up to get and keep simple access to press conferences, they may actually start to do their jobs again.

What Kerry can do, immediately, to signal the change to the press in the way the press is treated is to put Helen Thomas right up front, first time out of the box.





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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:20 AM
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11. By exposing Smirk
the media are putting Kerry into office just like they put Smirk into office.

Once they make their choice, they are reluctant to go against their 'superior wisdom.'

The media "got" Clinton, defeated Gore and elected Smirk. The moneybags can't take any more of Smirk's destruction so the media has turned. They have made their choice and they will be with him for a while.

Heck, they might also get rid of DeLay. Wouldn't that be fun?
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:33 AM
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13. I think that as more and more dirt comes out about the *
administration, we will see all sorts of media whore hand-wringing and crocodile tears.

"Where did we go wrong?" they will cry. "Why were we so deceived?"

There may be a few half-assed apologies, like the New York Times apology. Rather and Cronkite will be the toast of the media. They will write books. And the rest of them will try to convince us that they knew it all along, but were just denied access.

Fox will just be Fox. But don't be taken in by the rest of the self-serving bastards, either.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:38 AM
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14. easy

Declare them non-credible and without 'access'. Ridicule them at every opportunity as propaganda outlets and hirelings. Have underlings leak false, Trojan Horse, tidbits to them. Have some 'friends' call up Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes and explain to them that unimaginable difficulties will compound their problems in short order if they mess with straight reporting. Up to their ass in hungry alligators, et cetera. Not to mention long and painful investigations by IRS, FCC, FEC, DoJ, and all other three letter acronym agencies via ambitious young Democratic DAs with long memories and small amounts of patience.

In short, the RW media loses its power over the Presidency when the conservative electorate is a minority. And the President works hard via mainstream media coverage to explain his actions. The RW do understand hard kicks and large chunks being bitten out of their asses and danger to their pocketbooks and incarceration.

There's no reason for mercy.
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 03:03 AM
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15. "No reason for mercy" I love it !
Your response gives me hope. God I can't wait for this to be over! :kick:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 03:19 AM
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16. No mercy
Edited on Fri Oct-29-04 03:21 AM by depakote_kid
None.

Immediately set the FCC to work on rulemaking that will divest the conglomerates, reinstate the fairness doctrine and enforce legal and ethical violations like Sinclair and Pappas with license forfeitures or non-renewals. In fact, put some teeth back into the general renewal process period- don't just give the crap that passes for local news and programming a free pass- every community in America deserves much better than the garbage that is spewed out. If a station owner isn't willing to live up to their committment to the public interest, well, I'm sure there are 10 others out there who'd love the opportunity to try to do so.

The media WILL NOT give Kerry a break- to the contrary- they will thwart him at every turn- so it make sense to go after them first. Not only is it the right thing to do, but it would be tremendously popular.

If Kerry sells out and panders to them like Clinton did, he can expect the EXACT same treatment Clinton got- and IMHO- he will deserve it.

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 03:48 AM
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17. A- friggin' MEN!!!! Kerry needs to attack on all fronts...
and get us back a media that provides INTELLIGENT DISCOURSE on topics important to the country. If their side (the repukes) have VALID reasons why they think something should be done, they need to educate the masses on the POINTS, AND LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE, not a bunch of screaming, sound-bite bullshit. And if their arguments go against the good of the majority of the people, then the reasons WHY that is so should be told.

And he needs to insure that the media can NEVER AGAIN be used as a tool for facism and propaganda.

If Kerry can clean up elections AND clean up the media, America will survive. A MAJORITY of Americans, when well informed and educated, KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!

:kick::kick::kick:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:21 AM
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30. What DK said.
Bravo.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 03:59 AM
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19. GreenPoet, watch the marked difference if Kerry is president
as soon as he is sworn in he will be held accountable for everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - and all of the sudden reporters will magically start asking the HARD QUESTIONS.
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YankInLondon Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 07:13 AM
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20. It's Our Responsibility!
Of course the right-wing media will act to undermine Kerry. The main change he could make to dull its blade would be to pursue some vigorous anti-trust policy against media combines (simply make it illegal for a corporation to own more than a certain number of stations). That would be difficult, though, and a long fight.

If the past four years have shown anything it's that the right-wing has invested billions (no kidding) in stations, hosts, lecturers, authors, and so on. I never believed in the "vast right-wing conspiracy" but now know the truth--of course this is deliberate, orchestrated, and for the most part completely above board.

Turn off FOX. No more Drudge Report. Don't give venues like this one dime or second of attention. This won't kill them but it will make them irrelevant. Patronize shows, sites, authors, etc., which are liberal or truly fair and balanced.

This isn't a job for Kerry--it's our job. And it's easy. The damage comes when people assume that conservative media is made up just of people expressing an alternate opinion--rather than well-orchestrated and rather vicious manipulation of people's gullibility (or, more precise, their tendency to believe that those in media come to their jobs with good faith).

You can't beat networks like FOX by watching them. Let Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., whither on the vine of the like-minded.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 07:50 AM
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27. You nailed it, Yank, and welcome to DU.
As long as propagandists have an audience, they will have undue influence. When no-one but the like-minded listen, they will have no relevance.
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 07:25 AM
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21. A good start will be getting rid of that POS
Michael Powell at the FCC. Then appointing someone who won't bend over and hand the vaseline to the broadcast industry.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 07:29 AM
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22. I hope he bans them ALL from the WH.
Our media is complicit in helping the cabal take down our country. They should never be allowed to have access to him. Fuck 'em all! He should investgate every damn one of them too. CLEAN house!
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:51 AM
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35. That would be awesome....
"Since this is the my first Press Conferenece as President, I'd just like to gage the room real quick: All of you who ever accused me of flip-flopping, please raise your hands. Thanks. My Secret Service Staff will now be escorting you off of the White House premises. Access Denied. Have a nice day!:hi:"
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 09:30 AM
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36. hehe...as Helen Thomas sits on her new throne next to the podium!
:hi:
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 07:33 AM
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23. If the truth were known, Rush Limbaugh is hoping Kerry will win.
Reason being, of course, is that he makes a living of criticizing making fun and entertaining the simpletons.Same for Faux News, G Gordon Liddy, etc.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 07:36 AM
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24. Start with Joe Lockhart as press secretary,
and continue to snub Faux News as the RW spin machine it is. I had to laugh the other day at the look of desperation on Carl Cameron's face as he lamented his inability to get an interview with Kerry. O'Reilly's so out of touch with reality that he thinks he made himself look better with his ridiculous substitute for interviewing Kerry, but it was obvious from Cameron's face that he's at least smart enough to know how much it hurts Faux -- not to mention Cameron himself -- to have Kerry unwilling to play their games.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 07:37 AM
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26. He will fund stem cell research from the tax revenues
The best thing that can possibly happen to Reich Wing media is a Kerry win. The freepers will go nuts buying their products, and a whole lot of media multi-millionaires will be flush with cash.


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Wickster Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:05 AM
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28. First, give back the front seat to Helen Thomas
during press briefings (this includes the first question, too.) Second, reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. Third, give exclusive interviews only to Dan Rather. Then, after breakfast, accept Michael Powell's resignation.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 09:34 AM
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37. I like those ideas!
Sounds good to me! I would add that Keith Olbermann and Jon Stewart should be granted interviews, too. I'd also like to see Al Gore's network up and running. The rest of the talking heads should be frozen out completely. They contribute nothing and haven't earned a single thing.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:11 AM
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29. Yes, they will undermine him at every turn
If Rush can get the death of Vince Foster investigated 5 or 6 times to no avail, he can surely find some dirt on Kerry. A few months back, he was already implying that John Kerry had the late Senator Heinz killed so he could marry Teresa for her money.

The mainstream media will suddenly do a "mea culpa" on not questioning Bush's lies enough, and they will come after Kerry with a vengeance.

Fox News will continue to grow as Republicans tune out CBS/ABC/NBC for the pro Republican views on Fox. In response, the big 3 will get more conservative in a failed attempt to win those conservatives back.

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:34 AM
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33. Tough Libel Laws
There needs to be a strong stick to keep the media honest.
Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom to Smear.
Lying whores like Fox should have their licenses permently revoked
and journalists who lie (like Novak, O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc)
should go to jail (seriously). They are breaking the public trust.

From what I hear, England has dealt with runaway journalism
by instituting very tough libel laws... perhaps we need the same.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:38 AM
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34. Best thing Kerry could start to do is to bust up the monopolies
like Clear Channel etc.

But the RW media is going to be on Kerry so hard its going to make it look like Clinton was getting a pass. Think about how bad it was then, now imagine how divided we are its going to be like throwing gas onto the fire of shows like Rush, Hannity and the other trash. They will take it up to another level.
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