I thought DU was an army of outraged Democrats. Now I am not so sure.

[Bozos for Bush]

While most people talk about stolen Kerry signs and the latest polls, a small group of us have unearthed an enormous amount of evidence that directly links George Bush to fundraising scams that target our seniors, our veterans, and others.

Let me repeat this - We have documented evidence that George Bush is tied to fundraising scams - and a whole lot more:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1108892#1129306

Yes, it's a huge amount of data and evidence - but the vast right wing conspiracy really is vast, just like Hillary said.

We need your help! We can destroy Bush, and start to take down this entire monster, and the proof is right before your eyes, if only you would bother to look

We have a letter from Laura Bush thanking a Nazi for a book.

We have organizations whose sole purpose is to operate turnkey scams for clients who belong to the CNP.

We have uncovered so much - but we need your help to get this on TV, in the newspapers, and on the radio.

PLEASE HELP!

[Lefta Dissenter]

1. Hey, Bozo!!!

(heh, not often I actually get to call someone that)... :P

I spent the morning calling and writing Feingold, Baldwin, Kohl and media outlets regarding several different issues, including the suppression of the CIA report about Sept 11.

Just because some of us like to whine (and in my case, cry) about stolen signs doesn't mean we aren't doing other things, as well!

AND, I'm putting in a 14-hour shift at the polls on November 2. What are you doing??? :hi:

edited for third-grade spelling mistake

[Bozos for Bush]

3. I'm going to Nevada to get out the vote

And thanks for your help in defeating Bush! No offense meant here to those who are really helping.

BTW did you check out the link?

[Dogmudgeon]

2. Wonderful tactic

No one is going to respond at all if you get snippy that we haven't signed on to your crusade fast enough.

There are only 168 hours in a week, and the election is less than two weeks away.

If Bush is defeated, we can prosecute him and his cabal at our lesure. If he wins, we will have a larger, stronger case against him. It's not exactly win-win, but no way is he getting off easy.

--bkl

[Bozos for Bush]

6. Not geting "snippy" at those who are helping.

But you talk about if he wins, then...

And I am talking about we have the weapon right now to destroy him,

Did you look?

[onecitizen]

38. Sheesh........

this is the first I have heard of this. How can we help if we don't know? If you'd ask a little nicer I bet you'd have lotsa help.

[Bozos for Bush]

41. Been asking nicely for days

And besides that, aren't we all on the same team?

[Name removed]

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[Lex]

7. Nope on both counts.

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[Bozos for Bush]

8. I'm a former MSgt in the Air Force, now working full time

And I passed poly sci with flying colors :)

Please go to the link and scan it.

[evilqueen]

16. I've linked to it in my blog, and have added a little more info

to the big long thread of investigations. Moon is behind a LOT of this crap.

[Bozos for Bush]

23. Thank you evilqueen! And with a name like that, glad you are on our side!

Sincere thanks for helping to spread our work.

John

[evilqueen]

36. The "evil queen" thing... hehe

Dubya has this "declared war" against what he perceives to be "evil," as if he's some sort of "knight in shining armor" (or religious crusader?) out to save the world, while he's actually destroying it. Someone over at the Agonist referred to this as the "Church of the Big 180," which I think is hilarious, but fitting. Politically and ideologically, I stand in sharp contrast to Bush's politics and his policies, I'm a disabled veteran against the war, I believe in telling the truth, I understand in a very real sense what the old concept of "honor" means (Celtic and Asian conceptions of "honor" are very similar), so it only seemed fitting to associate myself with "evil" since my ideologies are the reverse of the Bush administration. I guess if speaking out against what you think is wrong is evil, then I definitely fit the moniker of "the evil queen" of politics.

:)

[Bozos for Bush]

37. Very logical to me, and sorry for your injury

I'm a vet too, 16 years Air Force...an easy branch I guess :)

I have to make a couple of calls, then I'll be back on finding more dirt...thanks for heading over to our link.

John

[cheshire]

9. OK I don't know if anyone knows or believes this but if not ..............

http://www.fromthewilderness.com
Mike Rupperts site. I'll let you be the judge. I will not be happy until GW is in prison.

[Bozos for Bush]

24. Dieharderdem, what exactly did you want us to see there? (nt)

[texastoast]

10. Great research

on the other links. Just maybe your link will get picked up by someone on the Kerry site or maybe a Dem congressman.

I've been outraged for four years. I'm also tired as I head out to parent and phone bank for New Mexico tonight.

See?? I'm too tired to tyep.

[AnIndependentTexan]

14. well I just cross-linked this thread to there to make sure that it does

http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=100172&hl=

[evilqueen]

18. that link is dead for me, did a moderator move/lock/delete it? n/t

[texastoast]

44. Apparently

Didn't work for me either.

[Bozos for Bush]

26. IndependentTexan, a thank you as big as Texas!

Great idea! Now this will spread :)

John

[Bozos for Bush]

25. Good luck with the New Mexico effort, texastoast!

And get some sleep! ;)

[girl gone mad]

11. I really think election day is too close now..

for any of these scandals to have an effect. Now it's all about GOTV, documenting voter fraud and suppression, and keeping an eye on the electonic voting. I think those are the things most Dems are (rightly) focused on at the moment.

[Bozos for Bush]

29. Girl Gone Mad, a lot more at stake than simply this election.

I want Kerry to win just as bad as anyone, but there is a lot more at stake in 12 days than just the presidency.

IMO right now, America is a fascist nation. Now, most people don't know this yet, otherwise there would be a huge outpour against Bush, and as long as "they" continue to fool most of the people all of the time, "we" will never turn things around.

I am the first to admit - I was lazy and asleep. For years I have bashed Repubs on AOL and other places, and for years and years I have hated Bush, but I was asleep...I had no idea there were hundreds and hundreds of these neo-con fascist crooks.

I am wide awake now, and trying to make up for lost time I suppose...but I do believe we can not only beat Bush, we can destroy this monster that Hillary spoke often about.

We appreciate any help you can give :)

John

[Lorien]

12. I sent your evidence to various news outlets

and reporters. Haven't heard anything back yet. I've tried to get some activism (directly related to GOTV campaigns in swing states) going here on DU too, but I haven't had one volunteer for the action yet! Apparently, posting about our outrage is more important than doing something about it. Liberals have always been reluctant to take action. Hell, I haven't seen a single person delivering Kerry literature in my swing state neighborhood, so I've been doing it myself. If we lose this election, we only have ourselves to blame. The truth is on our side, after all.

[Bozos for Bush]

30. Jen6, a big hug here :)

Sincere thanks for helping the cause. the truth is, I was one of those you speak about - lazy, blind, and asleep to what has been happening, and for that I apologize.

But my eyes are wide open now.

And I am going to do eveything I can, though I am only 1 person, to bring this monster down.

John

[Comadreja]

40. Lucky You

I just got some Lit to carry the past few weeks. Mostly I've had to print flyers from the Activism section at my own expense and tape them to doors and cars. It is satisfying to do something, but I haven't seen any evidence of others doing anything but put out lawn signs.

Whatever you do, you need courage. Whatever course you decide upon, there is always someone to tell you that you are wrong. There are always difficulties arising that tempt you to believe your critics are right. To map out a course of action and follow it to an end requires some of the same courage that a soldier needs. Peace has its victories, but it takes brave men and women to win them: Ralph Waldo Emerson

Some things you must always be unable to bear. Some things you must never stop refusing to bear. Injustice and outrage and dishonor and shame. No matter how young you are or how old you have got. Not for kudos and not for cash, your picture in the paper nor money in the bank, neither. Just refuse to bear them: William Faulkner


We must be prepared to make heroic sacrifices for the cause of peace that we make ungrudgingly for the cause of war: Albert Einstein

[crispini]

13. Here is what would help your cause.

Instead of a link to a long, messy thread of research, you need someone to write it up into a concise story.

Then, instead of just sending out a general call for "heeeeeelp!" you need to be EXTREMELY SPECIFIC. You need to say, Hey, everybody, here is what I found. I need you to send an email along these lines: (description follows) to these journalists: (links follow).

That way you will get more help and more converts to your cause. Volunteers do NOT respond to generic requests for HELP ME. Volunteers respond to, "I need somebody to do X by Y date." In other words, "I need somebody to put up a website." Volunteers also need to be told WHY. I'm sorry, but if you link to a convoluted bag of research, I'm too busy to sit down and plow through the whole thing to determine whether or not my participation has value. You need to hit the high points and tell me the intriguing part of your story and then I will determine whether or not I want to contribute my time.

And, as for ME, internet reseach just ain't my bag. I phonebank and canvass 2 or 3 hours a day in addition to my day job. If there is an internet action to participate in, I'll do so, if it's SHORT and CONCISE and takes less than five minutes.

But I come on DU largely to relax and chat. That is why I enjoy sign stealing threads, anecdotes about converting republicans, and rally stories.

Just my two cents.

Edited to add: OK, you DO summarize (quite well) up top of your post..... I guess I just don't get the link between 1,2,and 3 of your points. And I guess I still don't see anything that is going to make a horrendous amount of diff. between now and the election. At this point it would take a naked boy in a bed. :evilgrin:

[Demit]

17. that was my reaction too: what's he want us to do? he hasn't said.

then I DID go to the thread he linked to and spent a half hour trying to make sense of a lot of raw research...and reoccurring names...that led all over the place. Some material, as the thread progressed, was reposted.

So I did what Bozo asked here--and if he wasn't being snippy, he certainly was tart--and I still couldn't tell what I was looking at. And I can't see how sending all that raw research to a newsperson, without some kind of overview, or precis, is going to get it looked at. You have to tell people what they are looking at.

[Bozos for Bush]

32. sour tart or sweet tart?

Hi wendyvic,

Since my last summary at the top of the link, a lot of people have been posting about a lot of new discoveries. I agree that it's complex and again disorganized.

Tomorrow night I can stay up all night, and I promise I'll organize it all in a new thread.

Thanks!

John

[Bozos for Bush]

31. Thanks crispini

Friday night, I will work all night if I have to (just like last Friday lol) and summarize everything into a new thread. I agree completely with your comments, which is why I summarized the main points in the current thread.

As you can see, there has been a ton of new information since that summary, for example other CNP members engaged in fund raising scams. It's all there, and it's solid.

Bear with me until tomorrow night please - I do work 9-10 hours a day, so until the weekend comes, I can only do small stuff.

Great job with the canvassing, btw!

John

[TheKingfish]

15. Haven't they been doing this stuff for years?

What did you find that is actually illegal? Also don't use the word conspiracy. Its not a conspiracy if you found it out by using Google. Its just not reported in the mainstream media. Don't get me wrong, i know they are all slime.

[evilqueen]

19. How do you think Woodward and Bernstein investigated Watergate?

They didn't have the internet... but they did have libraries and michofiche of various newspapers, insider documents, and informants.

This is different in that we DO have the internet to use as a tool of investigation. It allows us to gather bits and pieces that have appeared in other sources including news, government reports, financial statements from corporations, etc. In a sense, our job is made somewhat easier than Woodward and Bernstein's was... in another sense, because there is just so MUCH information to sort through, it becomes more difficult.

The "internet investigation" -- the meme being that it must be worthless if it came from the internet -- is belied by the fact that many of the references come from mainstream media, and presumably, they do have some credibility (though I might argue otherwise at times). You cannot expect to find Moony or Bush or corrupt crime families out here spelling it out in one document for someone to somehow "find" on the internet. But the bits and pieces we can find do add up to something that, personally, I think is much much bigger than the Watergate scandal was.

[MADem]

20. SHARE YOUR RESEARCH

...with the MEDIA. Send it to Franken, The Nation, SALON, whomever you happen to like. Email, cut and paste--takes five seconds.

This isn't about credit, it's about getting the word out. You have done the hard work aggregating the information, now consolidate it and send it to those who can do something about it on the national stage. Get the word out!!!

You are the best one to do this, because you have done the bulk of the labor and have read the documents in detail. You can assist reporters by pointing them to the salient features of that which you have uncovered.

We can jawbone (to use a weewee phrase) amongst ourselves and the already converted all day, grassroots is an important part of getting information out there, but PUBLICATION IS POWER. Things need to be fact-checked, and time is running short--so do not delay, send those emails out today!

[Aawulf]

21. Threads like this one make us all seem irrational. nt

[CAcyclist]

43. Aawulf:Stop, just stop

[sandnsea]

22. speculation vs. evidence

They just aren't the same thing. I've looked at that thread and it seems like more speculation than evidence.

Did you contact the elder abuse people yet? That one letter with a request for money is enough to get them in action. This is like chipping away at an iceberg, you just have to keep at it from every angle and every little chip counts. And know we're probably never going to see what's under the surface anyway.

[Bozos for Bush]

33. Sandnsea, there is plenty of hard evidence there.

We know who belongs to the CNP.
We know members who operate supposed charities.
We know how they operate them, and who they use to do it.
We have linked all the scammers directly to Bush.
We have linked them to the producer of Stolen Honor.
We have linked them to Paula Jones.
We have a lot of hard evidence.

Most of us keep chipping away uncovering more.

[sandnsea]

39. I'll look again n/t

[Bozos for Bush]

42. Thanks! (nt)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

27. Bozos

I am canvassing full time every day right now. By the time I get home I can hardly see straight I am so tired. I have read through a few posts on this a few days ago, but right now I can't do much more than I am doing. I have also been emailing a lot about Sinclair and trying to keep up with that. I do think what you have is big, I just can only do so much. I am driving people to the polls for 12 hours on election day.

I hope other DUers will jump on this. Like I said, I can only do so much, though I would like to do it all. Anything to get rid of that son of a bitch.

[Bozos for Bush]

34. Hi Moonbeam, and thanks!

Thank you for all your efforts. You just keep up the fight in your own way, and I am glad you are on our side!

John

[T Town Jake]

28. Hectoring potential allies...

...is never a good recruiting tactic, IMO.

[Bozos for Bush]

35. well we have been begging for allies for days and days

Did you look?