I don't understand why Kerry is not doing better in Wisconsin

[BurtWorm]

Can someone explain that to me? If Kerry wins Wisconsin, he has (and we have) much less to worry about elsewhere.

[TheMightyFavog]

1. The taxaphobics have a firm grip on our once progressive state.

I'm confident that we can take Wisconsin, though.

[BurtWorm]

4. What's the situation like at the Universities?

Are students registering? Are Republicans making an issue of out-of-state students registering as WI residents?

[TheMightyFavog]

39. No.

I see about five times as menay Kerry signs in the drom windows than minibrain signs.

[SaveElmer]

2. Essentially rural

There are alot of very conservative rural areas in Wisconsin, enough to make things close,

[BurtWorm]

7. Weren't these rural areas the backbone of LaFollette's progressives?

What's the matter with Wisconsin? What happened? That part of the country used to be where America's socialists were born.

[TheMightyFavog]

40. They've been brainwashed by their churches....

The fundies have a very firm grip on rural Wisconsin. The family farmers literally will vote for someone just beacuse they are pro-life even though their voting record makes it clear that they've been screwing them over in favor of larger corporate operations.

[Poiuyt]

3. Poll done here is WI has Kerry ahead, 48-43

Don't believe Gallup -

Kerry Widens the Gap in Wisconsin

The newest poll from right here in the battleground state of Wisconsin shows Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry now inching ahead of President Bush.

St. Norbert College and Wisconsin Public Radio surveyed people who said they would likely vote on November 2nd. Forty-eight percent said they support Senator Kerry, while 43 percent support President Bush.

If you factor in the five percent margin of error, the state is still up for grabs.

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=2457704&nav=51s7SDUw

[BurtWorm]

6. Excellent news!

See? I'm less worried now!

[LittleClarkie]

41. How was St. Norbert in 2000?

Mark Belling was going nuts over this poll. He couldn't believe that Michels was doing as bad as this poll said, though we all know Feingold is blowing him away in the campaign. I sometimes wonder if Feingold will end up helping Kerry more than Kerry will help Feingold. But then again, there are an odd number of Bush/Feingold supporters. One wouldn't think that would fly, but there you have it. Feingold is VERY popular.

I hear there is more support up north than usual for Kerry. Calling Green Bay on Monday, I was surprised at how many Kerry people there were (at least half). I don't know if that is normal, but since Milwaukee and Madison are normally our strongholds, I figured having support elsewhere can only be good.

Mostly we are focusing on GOTV in Milwaukee. That's why I'm hauling my suburban self into the city come Nov. 2. It is said, as goes Milwaukee, so goes the state. Since my county is the equivalent of a Red State, I thought I'd better get the vote out in the Blue county.

The black vote seems motivated since the County Exec tried to short us ballots in Milwaukee, while giving all the other precincts most or all of the ballots they asked for.

We will have lawyers posted, and we have a number to call in case of poll trouble.

But as other posters have written, the big issue tends to be property tax relief. I would add Right to Life to that.

The funny thing is, when Repub Tommy Thompson was Governor, our taxes didn't come down. They went up. He was known as Tax and Spend Tommy. But the Repubs loved him anyway. Weird.

[shaolinmonkey]

5. I can't understand it either.

You'd think we'd know better, but there's a disturbing whif of racism and homophobia swirling around this progressive state.

On an up note, I was buying some beer last night and they had a TV on in the liquor store. The talking head said "who should lead America?" and the woman behind the counter yelled "Kerry!". I live in a small central-Wisconsin town. She told me she has a friend leaving for Iraq in a couple weeks.

Hope is on the way.

[pmbryant]

8. Gore barely won Wisconsin. Kerry will likely win it by a bigger margin.

Wisconsin is not a solid Dem state, so what's not to understand?

--Peter

[ClassWarrior]

9. Who's telling you that "Kerry is not doing better in Wisconsin?"

Huh? Think about it. Who's telling you this? Me? On the ground in the Cheese State and pounding the pavement nearly every day now? Noooo... Frank Gallup?? Yes??...

I rest my case.

24.

[NanBo]

10. spoke with a canvasser last night

in Madison. He said he was hearing about 60% in favor of Kerry, 30% for * and the rest couldn't care less/not voting.

My repub boss is voting for Kerry :)
My 1st time voting daughter and her boyfriend are voting for Kerry :)

I think we have a good shot at it here and I'm optimistic.

Also, have had NO repub canvassers but 4 dems so far.

[snacker]

11. If signs are any indication,

our small Wisconsin town has 68 K/E signs. There are about 10 Bush signs.

[Parche]

12. Wisconsin

We need to get all the Residents of Genoa City to vote
Victor Newman Rocks!!!

[snacker]

14. LOL

Actually, the guy who plays Victor Newman is a big Kerry supporter. I read somewhere that he spoke at a Kerry rally.

[goddess40]

13. They aren't asking the new voters

Lots of students have been registered. Also there has been a strong push to get absentee ballots out to those that can't get to the polls, my hubby put on 200 miles yesterday and he's been at it for a week. He's met many that have never voted before, these people don't get polled.

Bush is coming in 2nd here in WI - if we can keep the vote honest.

[ClassWarrior]

23. If it's up to me, Bush* is coming in 22nd here in WI!!

24.

[sontec]

15. It's the Catholic Priests

posted this before...my entire family is from Sheboygan...The frickin' priests are telling their members that the abortion issue trumps all else...It's Rove...something is up.

[Lefta Dissenter]

18. did you see my response to you last night?

the fact that abortions have gone UP since bushie took office?

[sontec]

21. oops sorry I missed it.

heard that statistic as well...interesting.

[chelaque liberal]

32. How do you think Catholics will react to "chosen by God" BS?

It's been a long time since my genuflecting days but I remember honoring false gods as a pretty serious sin.

[TrogL]

33. People do not necessarily do what the priests tell them to

You need look no further than Kerry.

[Tweed]

Tottally agree, while I'm Catholic and I support Kerry

I know my grandma who has voted Democrat since she was born has some problems voting for Kerry because her priests have been talking about abortion so much. It's quite disturbing.

[Tweed]

34. Tottally agree, while I'm Catholic and I support Kerry

I know my grandma who has voted Democrat since she was born has some problems voting for Kerry because her priests have been talking about abortion so much. It's quite disturbing.

[Lefta Dissenter]

16. Hey

no worries here (well, if we keep busting our butts, that is...)

I live in Dane County, so it's quite blue around here, of course - but there are lots of K/E signs out in lawns that have never hosted political signs before.

At least at UW-Madison, registrations are HUGE, and I think we'll have a turnout that will knock your socks off!

And then we'll have a party that will rot your socks off! :party:

[Thrill]

17. WI is a place where the Swift Boat Liars worked

on the Vets in that state. Chimpy didn't start leading there until those ads started

[Zero Gravitas]

19. I don't understand why Bush is ahead

in ANY state. Too many people are either ignorant or like fascism (or both) I guess.

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[realFedUp]

22. I thought it was cheese in their ears.

[sontec]

24. I agree

Maslow's hierarchy of needs...

[Lefta Dissenter]

25. Well, I'll be sure to

let Russ Feingold and Tammy Baldwin know you send your regards. :eyes:

That was a rude post, and if you intended it as sarcasm, it surely wasn't clear.

[NanBo]

28. totally agree

That was really an ignorant generalization.

[xyboymil]

30. I agree...that was rude and a very uneccessary post...WI has smart voters

If someone is going to believe a gallup oll regarding WI, then who is the true idiot? :eyes:

I live in Wisconsin, have many friends in WI, and know 9 voters who voted for Bush in 2000..who have all switched to Kerry.

WI WILL go Kerry.

[BUSHOUT]

26. Kerry is doing just fine in Wisconsin!!!

It's tied, what's wrong with that? Obviously Kerry is finnishing strong and swing voters always break for the challanger.

Why worry? Here's an article indicating more or less a tie...although one poll shows a strong kerry lead.

In Wisconsin, 3 polls show presidential race still tight
October 21, 2004 CBOK1021


In three fresh polls on the presidential race in Wisconsin, one shows the state to be tied, one shows President Bush with a statistically insignificant lead and the third shows Sen. John Kerry with a comparably insignificant lead.

A poll by American Research Group, based on interviews with 600 likely Wisconsin voters Saturday through Tuesday, found a Bush-Kerry tie at 47 percent, with 2 percent for Ralph Nader and 5 percent undecided.

A poll released Wednesday by the University of Minnesota's Humphrey Institute, based on 623 interviews with likely voters conducted Thursday through Tuesday, showed Bush with 48 percent, Kerry with 47 percent, Ralph Nader with 2 percent and 3 percent undecided.

A poll of 401 likely voters taken Oct. 4-13 had Kerry with 48 percent, Bush with 43 and Nader with 2. Kerry's lead was within the poll's margin of sampling error of five percentage points.

[BUSHOUT]

29. And btw, the one poll that has Bush up was done by the "Hoover Institute".

Check out a list of recent essays from them:

http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/pubaffairs/we/default.html

[WI_DEM]

27. He is doing better in Wisconsin

One poll has him up by 5 or 6 (St. Norbert College) and others such as Rasmussen have the race tied.

[Chelsea Patriot]

31. My Mom, former GOP--believed Nixon got a unfair rap, is voting Kerry.

Don't believe the polls!

My mother says the support for Kerry in Northern WI is very strong.

I just got off the phone with her. No way are these polls accurate.

FUCK THE MEDIA, THE POLLS AND THE REPUBLICANS!

[chemteacher]

35. Just visited from Colorado...

My sisters and I were spooked by all the B/C signs west of Milwaukee in Brookfield. My family back there is pretty fundie...they're all voting for the chimp.

Thank goodness for the solid urban areas...huge numbers of K/E signs in some varieties that you don't get to see in Colorado (Boilermakers for Kerry!)

Go get 'em! Please make Wisconsin blue!!!

[exliontamer]

36. There are two Wisconsins

While there are a lot of progressives based around Madison and other towns in the UW system and even spreading out to rural areas, there are also a lot of reactionaries who just hate everything to do with Madison and "them hoity toity folks with their books and sissy attitudes".

Milwaukee is one of the most segregated cities in the country. And northern WI is the staging place for one the nation's most disgusting annual displays of racism as drunken angry bumpkins show up at boat docks to harass native Americans who are allowed by law to spear walleye.

On the other hand, it can be hard for Democrats to even count on the leftists showing up sometimes. Madison progressives, in particular, can be an infuriating, nitpicking bunch (read; Naderites).

It is a state of wild extremes and hopefully the progressives will show up for Kerry.

[TexasSissy]

37. According to the polls, Kerry was doing good there until....

August, which is when Bush started to win the Wisconsin polls. The Swift Boat ads started in August.

Then after the Repub Convention, Bush's numbers there really took off.

Bush and Gore were virtually tied in Wisconsin in the 2000 election, w/Gore ultimately winning BY ONLY 0.2%. See below copied from www.realclearpolitics.com:

Wisconsin ( 10 Electoral Votes)
>>Results from 2000 Election: Bush 47.6, Gore 47.8, Nader 3.6 (Gore +0.2)
Poll | Date | Sample | MoE | Bush | Kerry | Nader | Spread
RCP Average|10/14-10/19|-|-| 48.0 | 46.5 | 2.3 | Bush +1.5
CNN/USATGallup | 10/16-19 | 678| LV| 4.0 | 50 | 44 | 3 | Bush +6
ARG | 10/16-10/19| 600| LV | 4.0 | 47 | 47 | 2 | TIE
UofM HHI | 10/14-10/19| 623| LV| 4.0 | 48 | 47 | 2 | Bush +1
Rasmussen | 10/14 |500| LV | 4.5 | 47 | 48 | - | Kerry +1

Kerry still could win it.

[Iceburg]

38. And these polls are all based on LV's so add +6 to the Kerry column

Now remove the CNN/Gallup trash or add 13 points to Kerry -- your choice.

There you have it, Kerry up 6 or 7 points.