IF ALL blacks, women, and gays voted for kerry and dems

[2Design]

we would have a landslide - add in the a sprinkle of white males and that is all she wrote

now the group I mentioned are the ones who will make out best with Kerry. Any of them that vote for Bush are masochistic.

now the white males make out by not being drafted and I am sure they get other benefits

but the rests of us get our life - the New Deal put in place by FDR was for the people

I hope we can get back there

But the more I realized how much other countries do for their citizens with health care and wages - the more I realize how far right of center we are -

we need a whole new crop of people in government - right now they only take care of themselves -

when the best employment a younster or even oldster can make in in the service or in contract jobs for war - this country is lost - this democracy is in depth - poop -

we have so much work to do to right all the wrongs of the last 30 or 40 years - wow

[sbj405]

1. This is the question I have been asking myself for months

How could anyone woman, gay, or minority possibly vote for *? It just doesn't make sense. With those groups alone, we would have a landslide.

[George W. Dunce]

Abortion

I can not think of any other reason.

[2Design]

5. they don't have to get an abortion

who will pay to bring up those kids - not the rethugs - they don't help poor people - they don't help anyone under 200,000 a year

this hatred over this stupid stuff is not going to help

if they don't believe in killing then they need to stop it in the streets here and abroad - there are a lot more killings from murder than from abortion -

why do rethugs want to possses and control everyone's body - they are obsessed with bodies - they are incestual

[secular_warrior]

3. fear knows no racial bounds

Bush has used fear like any good dictator would: to divide and conquer.

The suburban women think Bush is the only one who can protect them, most minorities (especially blacks) are opposed to gay rights and like the GOP's anti-gay rhetoric. Pro Bush gays are the only group I don't understand - except that it probably has to do with greed and wealth.

[2Design]

6. minorities know what discrimination is - why do they want to set it

up to have discrimination - they will be next AGAIN - once you start down this slippery slope there will be more minority people who are written into laws -

[secular_warrior]

10. It's the irony of the Democratic Party's success

People usually come to oppose the very same movements which helped them up in society. Once people get theirs - screw everyone else behind them.

One day soon conservative minorities will leave for the GOP, just like conservative Catholics and Jews did before them. Suburban women are a swing voting block now when a generation ago we could depend on those votes. People tend to forget what it was like when they were society's boogeyman.

[Thurston Howell IV]

2. Apparently blacks aren't going for Kerry in the numbers one would hope

I heard 4 to 1 for Kerry. Didn't Gore get 9 to 1?

Also, blacks who are "conservative christians" are 66% for Kerry, 33% for Bush. This anti-gay marriage amendment bullshit is working its evil magic, unfortunately.

We'll just have to make it up elsewhere. Hope most of those newly registered voters are hustled to the polls.

[2Design]

4. they shoot themselves in the foot voting for bush

gays are going to get together no matter what

and any black person who is willing to vote discrimination into any constitution does not remember what the south did to them before - and they will not be far behind as they do it again - the discrimination written into the constitution is only the first step

they will go after a lot of other groups - and we already know about the KKK and other such groups

I couldn't believe that when I read black ministers supporting the rethug crap - they forget so easily when they are in 'fear' but the lynchings/hangings and separate bathrooms was only a little over 40 years ago

People don't realize the wrath they bring down on themselves with this hatred of gays - god made them that way - hating them is not being God like -

[secular_warrior]

7. As long as he stops gay marriage, I guess many blacks don't mind if

Bush packs the courts with right-wing, anti-civil rights Pickering type judges.

Sad. Just a generation ago blacks were the wedge issue, society's boogeyman. How short some people's memories are.

[shmendrick]

19. The real danger

The real danger isn't in Blacks voting for Shrub, but staying home.

Unfortunately, Kerry doesn't appeal to blacks in the same way that Clinton and Gore did.

However, hopefully, their anger at Bush for 1) stealing the election from THEM in Florida, and 2) fucking up the country, will drive them to the polls anyway.

[Zynx]

Delete: Dupe

[Zynx]

20. Gore didn't poll 9 to 1 until election day among blacks.

[Silverhair]

8. The error in your assumption.

You assume that because you can label a person as to black, or female, etc, that that person's interest will be identical with what you think the interest of that "group" is. But real live breathing people or more complex. It is entirely possible for a person to be a black woman, and also be upper middle class and fundamentalist in her religion, or to be poor and fundamentalist. Same with anyone else that you try to hang a label on.

[Thurston Howell IV]

12. many people don't vote their economic interest

Which is admirable. When liberals do it, it is applauded. When rednecks do it, they are viewed as ignorant. At least, that's how I used to view it.

I agree that the situation is more complex than simple labels convey. I believe big business Republicans figured that out quite a while ago and have exploited it successfully.

We can rail against the "culture wars", but until we figure out an effective counter to it, it is going to eat us alive.

[dad]

9. You mentioned FDR

My favorite president. Today if he ran as a Dem he would be laughed at like Kucinich as being "unelectable"...

[eridani]

16. Yep--crippled would probably be worse than short and divorced n/t

[louis c]

11. Here is the Democratic Base

If all these folks voted in their own best interest, here's the breakdown.

All Women, All minorities, all union members, all people of draft age or college age. Anyone working at less than a living wage. Any senior who is dependent of either Social Security or Medicare. Any parent of a public school child. Any parent of a special needs student. Any family with a handicapped child. Any handicapped adult. Any veteran who needs veteran benefits or service. Gays and Lesbians.

Well, by my calculation, even though we have some overlapping categories, we're close to 98%. That's about right, 98%-2%.

[2Design]

14. Great list - that hits a huge part of the groups who in their best

interests would vote dem

also it you are religious and believe in a God who likes people

[intheflow]

13. Many reasons blacks, women, GBLT vote GOP

And all of it has to do with oppressed peoples buying into their own oppression. They absolutely believe that "anyone can pull themselves up by the bootstraps"--even people without boots--and live the fullest extent of the American dream.

And some come very close to it. But most just wallow in their own socio-economic status, swimming upriver against a raging current.

This is also my theory about why so many straight white poor and/or blue-collar workers vote GOP. They honestly believe that they, too can make millions in the stock market. Now if only we could get those wages up so they had a little extra to invest... (but no labor unions for them.) ;)

[keet1977]

15. PLEASE HELP A LOCAL DEMOCRAT PARTY DEFY REPUB MEDIA

Hello all!

The local Republican party run paper, www.jg-tc.com, is running a poll. The topic? Who won the debates! Guess who is winning! THE LOSER!!!

Please, they will be publishing the results in the local paper. Go to

jg-tc.com

Vote for kerry and help us at colesdems.us

Thanks!

[newyawker99]

21. Hi keet1977!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[REP]

17. Two Things:

First, no group is monolithic but is instead made up of individuals. Assuming that all women or blacks or gays or whoever all think alike is kind of insulting.

Second, as individuals, people can be remarkably dumb and vote against their interests because they believe the propaganda and are willing to put their rights on hold for some imagined safety (or tax breaks or whatever tradeoff is worth it to that person).

[gavodotcom]

18. As a straight white male, I'm just voting to get out of the draft...

..not because I believe in what America stands for: like the insistance on free speech--including real regulation on corporate ownership of the press, due process and reasonable search and siezure, equality for everyone, regardless of gender, color, creed, or sexuality, the right to choose, abolution of the death penalty, real science including real funding for all areas of (and full disclosure of) research, a secular government which welcomes religious freedom and promotes tolerance, sound fiscal policy including a sustainable fair distribution of wealth and a balanced budget, sound foreign policy embracing cooperation and credibility, or sound military policy based on necessity, including careful planning and equipping of our military forces.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

The Bush Administration hasn't just hurt minorities, it's hurt everyone in and out of America.

[2Design]

22. great list - you put into words all the reasons everyone

in the usa should be voting for kerry and dems