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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:22 PM
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They're ashamed of their lesbian daughter
that's why she wasn't on stage when the VP debate ended. That's their problem, not ours.
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MockSwede Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:24 PM
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1. half full?
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 02:27 PM by MockSwede
Merlot or Cabernet? Had a nice post from DUer about above. Long form of above sentiment.

I've taken the liberty to repost here. Made me feel good and feel I'm in here with good people.



Lynne Cheney, apparently, is now out there telling everyone it was mean and low of Kerry to bring up the fact that her daughter is a lesbian. Everyone from the HRC to Andrew Sullivan has responded that she's nuts. First of all, Mary Cheney is out and has been otu for years. Second, Lynne's own husband has been using Mary Cheney's homosexuality in speeches to try to make it look like at least ONE half of the ticket is something other than a rabid Christian fundamentalist. Third, Mary Cheney was brought up during the vice presidential debate...by the moderator, if I'm not mistaken. And fourth, and most obvious to everyone but Lynne...

CALLING SOMEONE A LESBIAN IS NOT AN 'ATTACK.'

Unless, of course, you are some kind of homophobe who believes that being a lesbian is the same thing as being a depraved pervert. Which Kerry is not, but which Lynne apparently is.

I'm really ready for this election to be done with. One of the reasons is that I have just about had it up to here with being a 'wedge issue.' This last piece of calculated manipulation is the last straw for me, and it's partly because it brings the whole thing closer to home than ever.

For you see, though I am not Mary Cheney (thank whatever the gods may be for that), I also have a Republican father. And, for a long time, I also had a mother who was ashamed to admit to anyone she knew that her daughter was a lesbian. After 10 years of being worked on by me, my partner, my siblings, and probably my father, my mother has finally come around. But there was a long period during which I was busy coming out to anyone I could find, but my mother was pretending that my sexuality was still a big secret. That pissed me off, and it pissed me off for a very simple reason: she might have thought, and she probably would have said, that she was keeping this 'secret' to protect me, but in fact she was keeping it to protect herself.

She didn't want to have to deal with what she thought she would have to deal with as the mother of a lesbian. She didn't want her friends talking about her 'misfortune' behind her back or pitying her for her terrible calamity. She didn't want to share the stigma she assumed I was living with.

If, at that point in time, my father had happened to be nominated as someone's vice presidential candidate, and the Democratic challenger had brought up the fact that he had a lesbian daughter during a nationally televised debate, my mother would have reacted exactly the same way Lynne Cheney says she did. And, and this is my point, she would have been wrong. Because at that point in time, the way she was treating me and my partner was doing me MUCH more damage than could ever have been done to me by having a man I didn't know tell everyone that I was just being who I was. I was in fact telling my mother the same exact thing constantly, but she didn't believe me.

My mother is now pleased to bring up my sexuality at any opportunity that presents itself--in large part because once she finally started telling people about me she discovered that in fact her friends didn't think it was a bad thing or that it reflected poorly on her. Since she herself is no longer ashamed of it, she also no longer feels that it's 'inappropriate' to discuss my orientation in public. And I'm sure she feels Kerry was within his rights to bring Mary Cheney up at the debate. In fact I expect to ahve a conversation with her about this very thing in the near future, since nwo that she has become a model of tolerance and open-mindedness, she never misses a chance to discuss sexual politics with me, alas.

My point is that the 'outcry' over the Mary Cheney reference, if in fact there is any real emotion behind it at all, is simply an expression of their own deep discomfort with the whole issue. They don't like having to confront the fact that the policy positions they take for their own political gain are hurting the people close to them. So their solution is to keep us all in the closet so they never have to think about that. All they are doing by manufacturing outrage over this is protecting themselves. It has got nothing to do with protecting Mary Cheney.

As for my Republican father, he fortunately has no political ambitions. Because I love him and I respect his integrity, I might well campaign for him if he ran for something, despite being on the other side of most of the issues. But by the same token, because he loves me and respects my marriage, he would not endorse that fucking amendment, no matter how many handlers told him to do it.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The religious right, in cooperation with their creature George W. Bush, are the ones who made same-sex marriage a national issue by pushing that amendment. They are the ones who turned all of our private lives into political fodder. I cannot even tell you how destructive this whole thing has been to us psychologically. Until you've done it, you cannot imagine what it's like to have to turn on the news and see people you don't know trying to convince other people you dont' know that you and your partner are a social menace that needs to be curbed, contained, and if possible eliminated. It is unbelievably infuriating to watch a bunch of straight people who are utterly without a clue about what it is really like to be gay debating the validity of the most important relationship in your life as if it were an abstract issue. You go through four years of having the woman you love turn to you and ask, "Why do people hate us so much?" and not being able to answer, and then maybe you'll understand me when I say that I have no fucking time to weep over Lynne Cheney's outraged sensibilities. If Lynne really wants to help her daughter then she should get her husband the puppet master to put the kaibash on that fucking amendment. Till then, well, she can go Cheney herself.

It drives me absolutely nuts to see the Republicans getting bent out of shape over this, as if Mary Cheney deserves to be protected from all the ugliness that their own party has unleashed just because she's a Republican's daughter. I'm a Republican's daughter too, Lynne. That hasn't stopped your husband and his cronies from making my life hell to the extent that they can. You and Dick helped build this horrible world. Mary can take her chances in it just like the rest of us.

Faugh,

The Plaid Adder

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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:27 PM
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5. when it comes to wine
a glass like that it's half empty :)
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MockSwede Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:40 PM
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8. Taste tested
beers, wines, breads - the first best foods.
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Free2BMe Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:24 PM
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2. at the very least ..they are embarrassed,,,how sad..
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:26 PM
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3. LESBIAN. The L-word, THAT is what pissed them off!!
Gay is almost acceptable to republicans and their ilk, but Kerry used the "L" word! LESBIAN.. that's what is pissing them off. Trust me.. they can't handle the word LESBIAN... that's why they're freaking!

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MockSwede Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:30 PM
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7. Dictionary options
Gay has numerous definitions. Lesbian has only one. I prefer term homosexual, if we must use any term, but I'm not sure I want to be called a heterosexual either. I prefer the term 'lover'! I love my wife and I love my kids. Differently. We're all different kinds of lovers.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:27 PM
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4. Maybe I've missed it, but I've never seen Mary Cheney
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 02:31 PM by TaleWgnDg
on stage at ANY political event. However, I have seen the other daughter w/ her parent or parents at political or state events. But not Mary.

Am I correct?


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Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson
PLACING BLAME for 9-11-01
http://cronus.com/images/jerry_falwell_patty_robertson.mp3

Falwell: "I really believe that the pagans and
the abortionists and the feminists and the gays
and the lesbians . . . ACLU (and the) People for
the American Way, all of them who try to secularize
the America -- I point the finger in their face and
say 'you helped this (9-11-01) happen.' "

Robertson: "I totally concur. . . . We have adopted that
agenda at the highest levels of our government . . .
and the top people is, of course, the court system ."

http://cronus.com/images/jerry_falwell_patty_robertson.mp3
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:45 PM
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10. Mary Cheney & her partner sat with her parents
at the RNC. However at the end when the families come up on stage to celebrate with the candidates, neither woman was anywhere in sight.

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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 03:28 PM
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16. perfunctory, huh?! yup. not in the spotlight. no surprise there.
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 03:58 PM by TaleWgnDg
and thanks for the input.

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edited to add a googled photo of both daughters . . .





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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:52 PM
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12. shoot - i thought they only had one daughter
and that she was a lipstick lesbian.



goes to show you how much they really show her off.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:27 PM
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6. at least, she won't get drafted
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:41 PM
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9. I snagged this from another board...
and I thought it summed the whole situation up neatly.

Let's see . . . Alan Keyes specifically calls Mary Cheney a "sinful, selfish hedonist" for being a lesbian, and Lynn Cheney is silent.

Dick Cheney brings up his own daughter's name, but says despite his supposed personal thoughts, he will still support the President's call for a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage. Lynn Cheney remains silent.

John Kerry says Mary Cheney is one of God's children, and should be free to be who she is, with visitation/benefits/inheritance rights just like anyone else, and Lynn Cheney is horribly offended.

Yes, Lynn, I think we're starting to get a pretty good picture of your opinion, after all."

http://www.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80728
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:49 PM
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11. the problem with Kerry's response
It was a rebuttal designed for *'s sanctity-of-penis stump speech. Since * flip-flopped by appearing moderate on the issue, Kerry's smackdown seemed over the top.
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IIgnoreNobody Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:55 PM
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13. I really feel sorry for poor Dick and Lynne Cheney
having their shame exposed in public like that :eyes:

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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 03:03 PM
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14. imagine having your most embarrasing thing
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 03:06 PM by private_ryan
mentioned again in front of tens of millions of people.
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IIgnoreNobody Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 03:12 PM
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15. good analogy if you are embarassed that your daughter is blonde or tall
or gay
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