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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:41 AM
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Dick Meyer, CBS, says Kerry doesn't deserve to win because
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 09:44 AM by Kukesa
of his comment regarding Mary Cheney! OY! What was so WRONG about that comment? This is POLITICS, people, and all's fair.

Link here:

http://tinyurl.com/6x9g3

On edit:

Look at the 10th paragraph in his article.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:43 AM
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1. Not like he called her a dyke or anything, the way shrubbie would
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 09:43 AM by soothsayer
on edit: that's probably his pet name for her!
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:44 AM
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3. Exactly
We can only imagine what names * uses with his buds.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:35 AM
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20. Well, we know that Poppy referred to Jeb's kids as "the little brown ones"
...so it's no secret that the Bush Klan isn't above using prejudicial terms on their own. Wouldn't surprise me if they bash their friends' kids as well.
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:43 AM
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2. I say again
anyone who is insulted by Kerry saying Mary Cheney is gay is a homophobe. The only way this is an insult is if there is something wrong with being gay ....
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:20 AM
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34. Exactly right
Freepers are saying it's like Bush Sr. had made a sympathetic remark about Kitty Dukakis being an alcoholic. Alcoholism is a disease, so we know what the freepers think of homosexuality just from that one comparison. Sheesh. :eyes:
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dzoner Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:46 AM
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4. Reply
Everyone conveniently forgets that Cheney put this in play when he noted it in one of the Cheney vs. Gore debates.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:48 AM
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7. WE need to remind them of that like you
just did. Thank you..and WElcome to DU!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:03 AM
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28. Hi dzoner!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:46 AM
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5. This is relevant because voters need to know why Cheney is against
Constitutional Amendment. Just as they need to know why arch Conservative former senator Jesse Helms and Nancy Reagan and many republicans support stem cells. Republicans are self-centered selfish people who don't care about a larger issue until it touches them personally.
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Roachman Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:49 AM
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10. If only...
we could get Republicans to have real/average Americans in their families and suddenly they'd be a party that actually cared about real/average Americans!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:46 AM
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6. Oh, it's okay for the spittal guy to
paint Kerry as a "loathsome liberal"..but for Kerry to bring up that homosexuality is not a choice by giving Mary Cheney as an example is somehow Not okay because vile lynnbat cheney says so. I don't think so!

"We pundits expected tonight's debate to reflect the larger strategic intentions of these two late-stage campaigns. The idea was for Bush to focus on inspiring his loyalists by reminding them of what a loathsome liberal Kerry is and for Kerry to woo centrists by portray himself as a...well, a centrist, a non-ideological pragmatist."

Fuck them..Liberal Aren't loathsome..We're Beautiful! And so is that word!
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:48 AM
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8. So what about bush's lie about Osama quote?
Does this guy excuse that? Does that mean both lost?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:49 AM
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9. Kerry referred to a person who is an admitted homosexual
who is campaigning with her father. Why is this a problem? It's not like she's in the closet or that she has asked for this to be a private matter. If she didn't want people to refer to her sexuality maybe she shouldn't have gone to the RNC with her partner? It's ashame that her parents and the Repug party are so offended by her sexual preferences that they wouldn't even let her go up on stage with the rest of her family.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:39 AM
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22. The problem is simple. Kerry told the truth, and that is frowned upon...
...in todays media culture- especially when it concerns Bush/Cheney hypocrisy.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:49 AM
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11. Who the heck is Dick Meyer?
Mary Cheney's homosexuality is no secret. Geez
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shrub chipper Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:50 AM
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12. And this remark is worse than *'s RECORD,
exactly how??
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:54 AM
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13. The first time Dick Cheney...
...brought his daughter up in regards to this issue, made it legitimate for others to cite her as well. Sorry, it's no dirty trick, and it's not off base, and they know it. They just don't like it when someone else knows how to play by the rules, but to their own advantage.

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 09:56 AM
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14. So who is Dick Meyer and why the hell should I care?
Just another shouting head, and I don't give a flying fuck what he says.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:43 AM
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25. This is who Dick Meyer is:
Dick Meyer, a veteran political and investigative producer for CBS News, is the Editorial Director of CBSNews.com, based in Washington.

And I don't care what he thinks, either.

We do, however, need to know what's being said about Sen. Kerry so that we can refute these jerks.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:00 AM
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15. I sent him this email
Mr. Meyer,
With regard to Senator reference to Vice President Cheney's lesbian daughter, Mary, if the question put to Senator Kerry had been about disabilities, and one of the candidates had a child who was, God forbid, a paraplegic, would the mentioning of her be a "cheap trick", a disgrace? If Lynne Cheney is angry that her daughter's homosexuality was mentioned, she clearly feels it is something that should not be discussed in proper company. Apparently you feel the same. The man who won the debate is the good man who will ensure that such homophobic attitudes are not reflected in our Nation's constitution.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:32 AM
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19. Good email, soleft. I'll send one, too. n/t
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kerryin2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:00 AM
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16. Did he even use her name??
I don't believe he even used her name last night.. I think all he did is refer to the fact that Cheney has a lesbian daughter.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:03 AM
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17. At least he admits Kerry won.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:11 AM
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18. Kerry put a face to homosexuality and he did it with respect
Kerry didn't say anything about Mary Cheney that wasn't true or that wasn't respectful. If you're not a big enough person to discuss the realities of homosexuality without cringing or experiencing some emotional, knee jerk reaction, then that's YOUR problem. Not John Kerry's not Mary Cheney's and certainly not mine. Mary Cheney is a lesbian. This is fact. She will not change to make Republicans more comfortable.

So, Dick Meyer (and Lynn Cheney), when discussing gay rights, try a little harder not to separate the people from the sexuality. It doesn't work that way.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:37 AM
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21. Kerry tells the truth. Most media types are not used to that these days.
It will take some adjusting, but you media types need to get used to it.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:42 AM
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23. clearly the Kerry campaign knows something from polling
I noticed Kerry hesitated in using this, like it was distasteful...

and it is.

But, they must be doing in for some polling reason. I mean it is ridiculous for Bush & Co. to want a constitutional amendment banning
same sex marriage while Cheney's daughter is gay...

but I suspect their base, the religious right, must completely react
and reject Cheney just because his daughter is gay.

I think it's a low blow by Kerry, but considering Karl Rove's entire
strategy to get someone in power is a series of lies and manipulations...
I'll cut some slack.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:42 AM
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24. He doesn't deserve to win the debate
not the election. That's what Dick is saying.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:45 AM
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26. But in the headline of the article,
it states that Kerry did win.

I'm so confused . . .


:shrug:
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:46 AM
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27. I thought it was a
brilliant move by Kerry. Throw their hypocrisy back in their face. It's not like he outed her or anything.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:05 AM
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29. my email to Dick Meyer
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 11:07 AM by Supersedeas
Dear Mr. Meyer,

Your Against the Grain article, Bush did well, but KerryWon, was very well written and approacheds last nights debate from a variety of angles. The big story in my mind was incapsulated in one paragraph from your article: how Bush ducked questions about assault weapons, minimum wage and Roe v. Wade. However, one other question that President Bush ducked was the question regarding whether homosexuality is a CHOICE. The importance of this dodge are the philosophical implications, because inbedded in Scheiffer's question are a variety of suppositions regarding inherent human rights and whether or not an Amendment to the Constitution is judicious. I do not expect broadcast media to confront these lofty issues head-on. Inherent human rights and Amendments to the Constitution fall down to the bottom of the list of network media talking points. Philosophy doesn't sell well.

But, even with my low expectations about media priorities, I really did not expect for a print journalist (who claims no agenda) to turn Scheiffer's homosexuality question on its head in an effort to mimic party campaign rhetoric. Let's turn to the question itself:

SCHEIFFER: Both of you are opposed to gay marriage. But to understand how you have come to that conclusion, I want to ask you a more basic question. Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?

BUSH: You know, Bob, I don't know. I just don't know. I do know that we have a choice to make in America and that is to treat people with tolerance and respect and dignity. It's important that we do that. And I also know in a free society people, consenting adults can live the way they want to live. And that's to be honored.

But as we respect someone's rights, and as we profess tolerance, we shouldn't change -- or have to change -- our basic views on the sanctity of marriage. I believe in the sanctity of marriage. I think it's very important that we protect marriage as an institution, between a man and a woman. I proposed a constitutional amendment. The reason I did so was because I was worried that activist judges are actually defining the definition of marriage, and the surest way to protect marriage between a man and woman is to amend the Constitution. It has also the benefit of allowing citizens to participate in the process. After all, when you amend the Constitution, state legislatures must participate in the ratification of the Constitution. I'm deeply concerned that judges are making those decisions and not the citizenry of the United States. You know, Congress passed a law called DOMA, the Defense of Marriage Act. My opponent was against it. It basically protected states from the action of one state to another. It also defined marriage as between a man and woman. But I'm concerned that that will get overturned. And if it gets overturned, then we'll end up with marriage being defined by courts, and I don't think that's in our nation's interests.

President Bush completely ducks the question, but does not hesitate to discuss how a Federal Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage in ALL states amounts to tolerance and respect for state 'process' and an individual's dignity. So, the President turns a question about the nature of homosexuality into a question about activist judges.
Now to Senator Kerry's answer to the same question, which you label as disgraceful, gratuitous, heinous, and agreeing with Ms. Cheney, also a cheap tawdry political trick. To the answer itself:

SCHIEFFER: Senator Kerry?

KERRY: We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it. And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands or vice versa when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who they were, who they felt God had made them. I think we have to respect that.

The president and I share the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe that. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

But I also believe that because we are the United States of America, we're a country with a great, unbelievable Constitution, with rights that we afford people, that you can't discriminate in the workplace. You can't discriminate in the rights that you afford people. You can't disallow someone the right to visit their partner in a hospital. You have to allow people to transfer property, which is why I'm for partnership rights and so forth. Now, with respect to DOMA and the marriage laws, the states have always been able to manage those laws. And they're proving today, every state, that they can manage them adequately.

Senator Kerry actually answers the question posed to him and Mr. Meyers, you call that disgraceful and gratuitous.
Senator Kerry notes, what everyone who has followed the issue of the Constitutional ban on gay marriage knows: that the President's running mate does not support an Amendment because his daughter is a lesbian. Everyone, who took the time to watch the VP debate, knows that. Did you watch the VP debate and if not, did you bother reading the transcript? Maybe, you should take another look.
Senator Kerry was not being heinous or cheap. By using a salient example, an example that everyone is familiar with, Senator Kerry not only answered Scheiffer's question about whether homosexuality is a choice, but also explained how even someone so closely allied to the President, can have such a fundamentally different view on the issue of a Constitutional ban. Not only is Senator Kerry answering Scheiffer's question--Senator Kerry is also offering a rebuttal to President Bush's nonanswer, by pointing out how marginalized the President is on this issue. Both Senator Kerry and Vice President Cheney agree that marriage should be been a man and a woman. And on the issue of a Constitutional Amendment, Senator Kerry also aligns himself with the likes of Vice President Cheney and again looks less like an out of the mainstream raging liberal....leaving President Bush in the radical margins on this issue.

If actually answering the question and offering rebuttals, in the form of salient examples, is nothing more than a cheap, tawdry political trick...then maybe, we all need a civics lesson and should do without debates altogether. Disgraceful indeed.

Very respectfully,
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:09 AM
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30. Disgraceful? Disgraceful?!? Give me a freakin' break!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/13/opinion/meyer/main649177.shtml

"But on one point, Kerry was disgraceful, and that is too weak a word. His mention of Cheney's daughter was gratuitous and heinous. I agree completely with Mrs. Cheney, who said tonight, 'This is not a good man. This is coming from a mom. What a cheap and tawdry political trick.'

"Kerry may have won the night, but in my mind, he erased any sense that he deserved to win."


What is this man on? What could he possibly be thinking? (Unless Karl Rove has photos of him doing something he'd rather not have the American people know about...)

"Heinous"? For mentioning the Vice President's daughter during the same debate when his opponent LIED about never minimizing Osama Bin Laden? If Kerry's words were "heinous," what are Bush's? A capital offense, perhaps?

At the very worst, Mr. Meyer, it was perhaps (and only perhaps, I'm not conceding anything) a little less than 100% tactful. If I wanted to be as unbalanced as you, I'd call your own rhetoric insane and completely unhinged. But I don't want to be like you, so I'll simply call your bizarre description of Kerry's words merely inexplicable, irrational, and a complete overreaction.
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:14 AM
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31. The truth hurts, huh?
Give me a break that now they are upset because Kerry told the truth.

So they want him to lie????

This is one of those heads you win, tails I lose kind of set ups. Tell the truth, you lose the debate, tell a lie, you lose the debate.

I'm not buying it.

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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:17 AM
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32. Here's what I just emailed to Dick Meyer & CBS
Mr. Meyer is entitled to his opinion, but his rhetoric makes him sound almost unhinged. On a night when George W. Bush outright lied to the American public by denying that he had ever minimized the importance of Osama Bin Laden, for Mr. Meyer to call John Kerry's polite comments about Mary Cheney "disgraceful" and "heinous" is bizarre to the point of being totally inexplicable.

Mary Cheney has been publicly out about her sexual orientation for many years. She and her partner appeared in public with the Vice President and his wife recently. She worked for Coors Brewing as a liaison to the gay community. Her parents have themselves publicly acknowledged that she is a lesbian. Given all that, how can it possibly be "disgraceful" let alone "heinous" for John Kerry to point out that a man with an openly gay daughter is the running mate of a president who wants to make her, her partner, and other gay people constitutionally second-class citizens?

The Bush people are trying to have it both ways: appeal to homophobes by pushing the Federal Marriage Amendment, and appeal to mainstream swing voters by pretending to be tolerant - see, the Vice President has a gay daughter! The press should not allow them to get away with this shell game. Mr. Meyer is allowing himself to be used when he buys into Lynne Cheney's desperate attempt at spin, her pathetic, tawdry and threadbare pretense at being shocked and offended. His ridiculous overreaction to what were perfectly acceptable remarks by Mr Kerry is what is truly "disgraceful."
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Texas_Dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:19 AM
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33. amen! your email is much better than mine!
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