Proof that Bush wore device in debate

[genius]

Our Cheating President
BIRMINGHAM, Ala., Oct. 10 (SDN) — The evidence is now overwhelming. The president who likes to make people think he is the biggest Christian to ever inhabit the White House is a liar and a cheat.

His information comes to him in his ear from a radio transmitter device he wears on his back under his suit jacket. This is against the rules of using props set forth by the debate commission.

The irony is, the photos that prove it were taken in violation of the rules by a Fox news pool camera operator. The rules prohibit photos from being taken from the rear of the candidates.

The other irony is, we didn't learn this from the New York Times or the Washington Post or even CBS News. Independent Web sites, called Web logs or blogs for short, have been buzzing about this for days.

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http://www.southerner.net/blog/weeklyblog045.html


The article has photos. Democrats.com has one of these photos up front. As said above, the photos were taken by a Fox news cameraman. Democrats.com has one of the photos up front.


I haven't figured out yet how to post these photos here yet. So someone else might want to cross-post the photos.

[ogradda]

1. here

[rumguy]

7. where is that second photo from?

[ogradda]

11. i took it off the link

in the original message.

[RobertSeattle]

2. What's funny is that Drudge thinks it's photoshopped

Here's a guy (Drudge) who will take any anti-Dem thing on the internet and pass it as "news" but he refuses to post the "Device" picture.

[txindy]

46. Incapable of capturing a shot from the debate video, is he?

Technologically-challenged, is Drudge? Huh. Thought it was only intellectually- and integrity-challenged. Who knew?! :shrug: I learn something new every day.
;)

[Longhorn]

3. Just right click on the photo, then click on "properties" to get the

url. Then paste in your message, like this:

[genius]

5. Thank you.

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. This would have never been an issue if the freepers

hadn't freeped out about Kerry pulling a pen out of his jacket. When everyone started scrutinizing the video to see what Kerry was doing, it was apparent that it was Bush who was the one who was cheating.

[txindy]

38. Yes, very true. Ironic, isn't it?!

:evilgrin: Well, they deserve it. They beat that pen nonsense into the ground and got it aired on the news. Now this is jumping up to bite them. Tooooo bad. ;)

[John_H]

53. That's classic Rove: accuse th other guy of doing what you are doing

Looks like it backfired this time.

[UCLA Dem]

58. oh, the irony!!!

[shockingelk]

6. can anyone answer these?

Why didn't anyone tell Jr to stop making faces if he was wired?

Why was the transmitter/receiver square in the middle of his back instead of strapped to his side like a side arm?

[Ripley]

19. No, because this is a wild goose chase.

*sigh* once again.

While at first I thought these were photo shopped, I agree they are real and also come from some video. But there is no transmitter and wire. I honestly think there must be some people who still believe there is a giant face on Mars that Martians made to say "hello" to us Earthlings.

Shadows and odd camera angles and multiple lighting sources cause these things to appear. I've seen repeated video of the Stupid Ass walking around during the second debate...he reached over one time and there was a clear shot of him from behind (he was turned back toward their seats). There was no bulge, no wire.

I agree this gang is incredibly incompetent, but how all of these smart DUers can really believe this story is beyond me.

[RafterMan]

22. It's worked its way into the MSM

Why do you try to stop it?

Did the freepers come forward and say, "No, no. Gore didn't *really* say he invented the internet..."

How about telling everyone how you knew better in three weeks?

[ParanoidPat]

31. Believe it or not Ripley.....

.....some people do believe there is a giant face on Mars that Martians made to say "hello" to us Earthlings.

I'm not one of them. :evilgrin:

Some of us "smart" DUers have actually used this gear. I know exactly what it looks like when someone wearing a device like this leans over and exposes the outline of it under their clothes. I've seen it many times.

It looks exactly like what I saw with my own two eyes during the debate.:wow:

If you can't make out the outline of the receiver and wire to the loop when he leans over the podium and pulls his coat tight against it then I suggest you arrange for an eye exam. :)

[atre]

35. Isn't it a bit odd that Bush demanded no back-view cameras?

nm

[RollergirlVT]

37. Ah but it is not the belief....

its the rumor. That shadow of doubt that has been used against Kerry throughout this campaign is now turning on b*shit. What is the strange object under his jacket, we may never know but that isn't the point.

[HuskerDem]

39. Angles and shadows may account for many things

but not big boxy objects rising between and beyond your shoulder blades. I'm a photographer. Something is there. I don't know if it's a reception device or a back brace or what but something is there.

[txindy]

40. I'm happy to defer to the experts here who have used equipment like this

I'm not one of them, but it's obvious that some here truly are. I believe them.

[BUSHOUT]

8. That's not "proof" of anything "genius"

Are you aware that high-tech ear-piece receivers don't require a "box" of any kind?

This has gone beyond the stupid in to the realm of the bizarre.

It's no surprise they're ridiculing it in the media. Quit drawing ridicule our way.

[Richard D]

12. My thoughts

Are that it might be something old that was dug up so that it would only be between * and Rove and Cheney. Less mouths to talk that way. Something high tech might involve bringing in too many people when it is aquired.

[BUSHOUT]

16. OMG. Are you kidding me??? They can get the new stuff off the net.

Little itsie bitsie earpiece receivers.

No "BOX" taped to the middle of your back required!

They're about $1000.

The more I see these lame-dumb-ass threads on DU the more I think this is all a setup. This is distracting people here...and it's a dead-end issue.

[ParanoidPat]

27. Only a "lame dumb ass" would use a direct radio link.....

.....that anyone with a scanner can pick up such as the device you're talking about uses. To keep anyone from listening in you digitize the signal from the transmitter to the receiver and only allow the analog signal to be picked up within about a foot of the loop.

It could be very embarrassing otherwise. :evilgrin:

[RafterMan]

23. It wasn't ridiculed

in the Times, Salon or the AP article, IIRC.

[ParanoidPat]

26. Actually, if you knew what you were talking about.....

.....you would be aware that the box is a small receiver (A) that picks up an RF signal and converts it to a very low power analog signal that is output to an inductive neck loop (B) worn by the listener. A small hearing aid like amplifier (C) is inserted in the ear canal and picks up the signal from the inductive loop.



A)


Receiver

B)


Inductive neck loop

C)


Universal Fit Ear Canal Inductor

It helps when you've used the equipment in the past. :evilgrin:

[goclark]

42. What ridicule our way ? ?

We didn't have the pucker,Twinkie,sanitary napkin and on and on underneath our suit!

He did!

The ridicule is not on us, it's on GW. This story simply points out that the Emperor has no cloths. It is not about wires, it is about a Commander In Chief that is Unfit and TOO Ill Mentally To Command.

If you do a google you will find reporters all over the globe questioning the same things that we are questioning.

Seems like the freepers are keeping real quiet and just waiting for it to blow over. They are praying that this won't stick. They know that the Chimp has very serious problems but they still parade him out and pray we will not uncover the truth.

Hopefully Democrats will find the speech patterns and lack of focus of the President "compelling" discussion. After all, he gets to have his finger on the big Red button and that scares the hell out of me.

His staff is saying it is nothing but an Elvis story.

That is a good one.

[Ladyhawk]

56. Although I don't like your tone, I agree with you.

I'm sorry, but if Shrub was wired, he wouldn't have done so badly in the first debate. Logic, people. Use it.

[DrBB]

9. Der Spiegel has yet another view of it

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,397809,00.jpg

Looks like a wire to me. Oh, and regarding rational objections about this (Why would a wire be bulky enough to show in this age of miniaturization? If he was wearing a wire, why didn't he get better advice? etc.)--I say who the hell cares. He's got SOMETHING under there, that's obvious, and they don't want to tell us what it is. Therefore, they should be made to tell us, or made to shilly shally all over the map like they've been doing, issue denials (which only serve to implant the idea further and make them look like they've got something to hide) and so on.

I have absolutely no qualms about pushing this idiotic story as far as it will go, and farther than that if possible. After the ShitHeadVets for Libel garbage, I say grab whatever you can get and run with it.

[Cha]

47. Yeah, I second that!

:toast: There's something there and they ain't tellin' us what. Enquiring minds want to know!

[DrBB]

59. "Questions have been raised!"

Live by the nitwit media, die by the nitwit media, sez i.

[UCLA Dem]

62. me too!!

[Radio-Active]

10. I think it's much more likely Bush used a cheatsheet in Debate #1

Someone posted a GIF of him pulling a sheet out of his pocket. Then, he later flipped it over in full view of the cameras, to show a sheet with lots of notes on it. Anyone got that GIF?

[AmerDem]

13. just about everyone

has heard of this by now. So it's far from internet banter.

[goclark]

52. So cool, he works so haard

and he is such a crook.

[lookaround]

14. Oh dear. How I wish there WERE proof!

But really, there isn't any, is there? Looks like there's something there, for sure. But short of stripping the clothes off of W's aging frat-boy body, we just don't know yet.

I wondered if the bulge might not be body armor. That certainly seems a likely thing, as has been repeatedly pointed out. Or a TENS unit for pain relief? Or a heating patch? Or some kind of shock collar device to prevent him from barking?

As for the "wires"...get over it folks. Kerry's coat is just as wrinkled. JK's skinny old preppy backbone could be a hidden musical device, for goodness sake...

[LisaL]

15. It's not a wrinkle.

It looks like some sort of box with wire running from it.
I sure would like to know what it was.
There clearly is something under Bush's coat.
And white house refuses to say what it was.
After all the stink repukes raised about Kerry getting a pen out, don't tell me-if it was on Kerry's back, repukes would never shut up.
So, what is that thing on Bush's back?

[newyawker99]

21. Hi lookaround!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[democrat in Tallahassee]

25. Who needs proof?

Just use the Bush doctrine of saying it over and over until it becomes true...

[RafterMan]

28. Not any proof?

But is there any proof it *isn't* a wire?

You're looking at this from entirely the wrong way...

[Cha]

48. That's right...show me the proof there isn't

a wire!

[goclark]

54. But Kerry can speak English

And he speaks in complete sentences.

And he remembers.

And he reads real books.
And the books are not upside down.

And he doesn't say words like internets.

How much proof do we need to know that Bush, wired or unwired, take your pick, is a idiot?

How many other words will he make up before he is known to be an idiot.

A dangerous fool.

[gauguin57]

17. Can't they do a security screening on Bush and Kerry as they

come into the debate? If Bush's undergarments are on the level, he shouldn't be afraid to go through a security check -- walk through the metal detector, get sniffed by a bomb dog, get the WAND treatment ...



It's not a wrinkle, a back brace or a transmitter. It's just his lil' wings!

[Maat]

18. Now, I don't know what you guys think about this...

but my hubby dug up a picture of a plate that goes into a bullet-proof vest (hi-tech), and put the picture of the plate right next to the picture of Bush and sent it to me. It really does look like part of a vest.

I'm torn, though. Because, before these debates, I told my husband I suspected an earpiece due to the weird cadence of his speech, and his facial expressions.

Oh, well. Something's up. But we probably won't know for awhile.

[BUSHOUT]

20. Yes. Your husband is right. This is all dumb conspiracy BS

The earpiece receivers available today don't require a "box" that would have to be concealed under the clothes. They are self-contained little earpieces...that's it...receiver and all.

The vest is poo-pooed by idiots here because they say the bush admin CLAIMS HE WORE NO VEST. As if the Bush administration would be allowed by secret service to divulge that info...even IF they wanted to, which of course they wouldn't.

I tried posting these pictures below long ago to kill this stupidity, but too many love a conspiracy and the rest seem to know it's not true, but they think talking about this will help Kerry somehow.





The plate below is described as
Our most popular Ceramic FRONT Rifle Plate
Triple-Curved to hug your body, plus extra taper for more freedom of movement.
The Back Plate is also Triple-Curved but more rectangular


These pics got me lots of "Oh, but it's only 3 inches wide..YOU'RE WRONG" responses. Of course only ONE side of the three sided vest is visible because of shadow.

[ParanoidPat]

29. Once again I see you resorting to name calling.....

.....as you refer to others here as "idiots" while at the same time showing that you have NO FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of the technology involved.

Nice going! :evilgrin:

I've used this gear for IFB links in ENG. I know why you choose one method over another. The device you mention uses a straight analog signal path that can be picked up rather easily. It also has a very small but easily seen ANTENNA sticking out of it!



Trust me, you would not use one of these if you want to keep it a secret! :)

[RebelYell]

30. Serious dumb question time

Why not just aim for his head?

[BUSHOUT]

60. Absolutely....if they KNOW he's got a vest on.

SS wouldn't want the info out there that he's got a vest on.

They'll deny it.

[Cha]

49. bush won't get a medical examine And

he doesn't want pictures taken from the back!

[shivaji]

24. Y'all wrong! It was a bomb * had strapped to his body in case he

made a huge gaffe?

[bagnana]

32. who cares?

I agree those top pictures look like he has a box on his back. But I don't care about it for three reasons:

(1) why would they strap an obvious looking box to his back? You mean to tell me that is state of the art technology? Seems very unlikely

(2) His answers were lame! They were crap! So who cares?

(3) The more we talk about this the less we talke about how much his answers sucked. So again, who cares?

[RunningFromCongress]

33. There's no wire to the ear

I know this because I paused the 2nd debate where there was a very good close up of Bush doing almost a full turn. I played it back and there was def. no wire going to either ear. It's a back brace to pull his shoulders back so he looks "stronger" and more "presidential" it's not a bulletproof vest. It's def. a "prop" to prop him up better.

[David Zephyr]

34. Not Necessary.

His package strapped to his back could easily be the main receiver and also a transmitter at a different frequency to a tiny battery operated receiver placed deeply within his ear.

No wire is needed between his main receiver/transmitter and his tiny ear receiver. This is simple stuff to do with off the shelf technology.

[DrBB]

36. Are Dems too dumb to live? I gotta wonder

All the people on this thread acting like the substantive question of whether he actually was wired for sound or not REALLY MATTERS. Can't you just for once turn off your assinine cerebral cortex and play the fucking game? Who CARES if it's a real transmitter or not? Here are the essential facts:

The pictures are well attested and NOT fake. He has SOMETHING on his back.

The WH denies that he wears a bullet proof vest, so it's not that.

They're definitely hiding what it is, and lying about it, whatever the fuck it turns out to be. What matters is THAT they're covering something up, not WHAT they're covering up.

Making them talk about it and deny it and whatnot drives home the suspicion, forces them to do a cover-up, puts them off message however slightly, and gives the dimwit Mee-dia the kind of dimwit red meat they love to fiddle with, if you can just dangle it in front of their noses long enough.

Wull, yeah, sez you, but geez, it's not relevent to all thum lies he was tellin 'n' stuff.

No SHIT sherlock. So fucking WHAT? Since when--since fucking WHEN--has this political fight been fought out on the level of truth and rationality and actual lies and things that actually matter? What effing DREAMWORLD are you living in? If this stupid p.o.s. story helps to distract these nimrods from their real message and feeds the double-digit-IQ media the kind of bullshit moron topic they love to focus on because actual substance is too hard for people who could only pull a C average in Jernalixm and KommuniKations at their local community college, then FUCKING FINE. That's what we've got to play with, that's what we'll play with, all right? I mean, get a fucking CLUE will you? Fight sludge with sludge, that's the way it works okay? You may all be living on the Planet of Perpetual Political Purity, but this is reality, and if you haven't noticed, REALITY SUCKS, so get used to it, m'kay?

/screed.

[RunningFromCongress]

41. I still think

that it's something they use to make him look less like a pansy boy and more like a cowboy...

[Cha]

50. I want their "reality" to

SUCK! :toast:

[wtmusic]

43. Best photo yet

[txindy]

45. ROFL!!!

Oh, that is PRICELESS!! :thumbsup: :toast:

[Cha]

51. Classic bushit!

LOL!

[Lerkfish]

44. my personal theory is that the reason he did so poorly in debate one..

is that Kerry's back thump dislodged something and Bush couldn't receive anything.
It would certainly explain Bush's wounded and angry look when Kerry did it, why he ran out of steam after 30 minutes (all that he had stored in short term memory)...
If you consider the possibility that he has been wired for three years, learning to parrot the lines convincingly, depending on that as a crutch or backup for actual thinking, it certainly explains observable phenomenon.

[clover]

55. still lacking GOP explanation, a kinder theory:

http://isbushwired.com/2004/10/emperors-new-suit.html#comments
“I believe the device seen under Bush's suit was an Assisted Listening Device (ALD), used to filter out extraneous noise.
Two mothers of children suffering from Central Auditory Processing Disorder, independently, on different occasions, recognized in Bush the same symptoms their children with CAPD suffer from.
The reason Bush did so poorly in school? He suffered from CAPD (symptoms are very similar to ADD, the child can hear but can't filter out extraneous noises, making it hard to focus and causing the child to act out in frustration).
The reason Bush sat stupefied when Card whispered that a second plane had struck the WTC towers? He couldn't process the auditory info in what was, to him, the chaos of an elementary classroom.
The reason he has to wear a device in press conferences and debates? He can't filter out extraneous noises and needs a device to do it for him.
The White House needs to explain what the rectangular device was under Bush's suit. This is not a legitimate excuse for Bush to use an aid in the debate. As witnessed on 9/11, Bush is disabled and unfit for office.”

[goclark]

61. Very good points clover

Could you post this again at the other thread on:
"Why do you BELIEVE that Puppet Boy is Wired?"

it was started today by goclark.

The 911 sit and stare was an example of his learning disabilities.

There is absolutely something seriously wrong with this Man.

[UCLA Dem]

57. nice!! keep it going!!!

[Dr Fate]

63. There are still many questions to be asked about this.

n/t