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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:15 PM
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Matthews show was a knockout for Kerry tonight.
Nothing but good comments. Kerry has a twelve per cent lead with women now. Talked about Edwards increasing that. Brought up the lunge over Gibson. Said the jobs picture is dismal for Bush. People are getting more comfortable with Kerry as possible president.

Only one guy tried to pump up Bush and he babbled all over himself.

The most interesting thing, the last segment. On, "tell me something I don't know", Andrea Mitchell said there is some major news coming out on the oil-for-food scandal. Information that hasn't been made public yet and it's going to get a lot of attention.

She said Americans are involved in that scandal. Rich oil people from Texas. Chris asked her is it bad for D or R. She said R and raised her eyebrows.

Don't you just love it.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:17 PM
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1. I hope it comes out before the election!
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:20 PM
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6. It's already been out all day.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 07:21 PM by bushbash
What are they smoking? Unless there is more to it than what was released this morning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=893453
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:56 PM
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43. I sent a letter to both my Senators today
I want articles of Impeachment drawn up immediately. No WMD's? So now we will say it is the oil-for-food program?
I'm done.



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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:17 PM
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2. Was this on MSNBC or CNBC?
(I don't get the former on my Dish 50 lineup.)

Thanks for the heads-up; that food-for-oil scandal seems intriguing.
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IIgnoreNobody Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:18 PM
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3. cnbc
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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:19 PM
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4. CNBC
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I Lean Left Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:20 PM
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5. I would give my left nut
to find out it had something to do with Cheney/Halliburton. I can't think of anything better.
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:22 PM
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7. Give up your right nut instead...
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:22 PM
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8. Its a never ending nightmare with this administration... one after another
.... we are all just waiting to wake up....and the morning I wake up with the Boston Red Sox being congratulated by President Kerry at the White House... can't come soon enough!!

:kick:
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:22 PM
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9. Can you tell me what D and R stand for?
Sorry I'm guessing Dick and Rumsfield, but not sure Thanks
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:24 PM
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10. Democrat or Republican
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:26 PM
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11. D = dem
R = rep
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:26 PM
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12. This is what they're talking about
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 07:33 PM by Bush_Eats_Beef
There is a Bush connection in here somewhere, which I read about in a different article yesterday. I believe it has to do with Wyatt...but this is enough to get you started.

From the International Herald Tribune.

http://www.iht.com/articles/542917.htm

WASHINGTON Major American oil companies and a Texas oil investor were among those who received lucrative vouchers that enabled them to buy Iraqi oil under the UN oil-for-food program, according to a report prepared by the chief arms inspector for the CIA. The 918-page report says that four U.S. oil companies - Chevron, Mobil, Texaco and Bay Oil - and three individuals, including Oscar Wyatt Jr. of Houston, were given vouchers and got 111 million barrels of oil between them from 1996 to 2003. The vouchers allowed them to profit by selling the oil or the right to trade it.

The other individuals, whose names appeared on a secret list maintained by the former Iraqi government, were Samir Vincent of Annandale, Virginia, and Shakir Al-Khafaji of West Bloomfield, Michigan, according to the report by the inspector, Charles Duelfer.

The fact that these companies and individuals received oil from Iraq does not mean that they did anything illegal, experts on the program said. Such allocations may have been proper if the individuals and companies received appropriate UN approval. In interviews on Friday, spokesmen for the oil companies and for El Paso Corp., which assumed control of the assets of the company once run by Wyatt, said the transactions had been legal. But each confirmed that they had received subpoenas from a U.S. grand jury in New York, which is investigating "transactions in oil of Iraqi origin" as part of the oil-for-food program, according to a U.S. financial filing by El Paso.

The largest of the allocations went to Wyatt, who the list said had received allocations totaling 74 million barrels. At the profit rates of 15 cents to 85 cents per barrel that were reported in the arms inspector's study, he could have earned $23 million. The names of the U.S. companies and citizens who benefited from the voucher plan were not included in the published report prepared by the Iraqi Survey Group that was released Wednesday by the CIA, since the names of American individuals cannot be publicly disclosed under privacy laws.

ON EDIT, more for you to Google: "NuCoastal LLC, a company run by Texas billionaire and Coastal Corp. founder Oscar Wyatt Jr." He supposedly helped Bush in his so called "career" in the oil business. Also check the New York Times. That's where the story broke, I believe, and they received the list of Americans who got vouchers.
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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:36 PM
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15. The way she said it,
it was going to be unwelcome news for Republicans. Kind of like she was privvy to some information, the way she raised her eyebrows. And it was in the segment.."tell me something I don't know."
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:43 PM
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19. There was a thread on this yesterday with some good info
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=893453

Wyatt basically sounds like a classic Texas wheeler-dealer. An article in Texas Monthly called him "meaner than a junkyard dog" and even his wife describes him as "a modern version of a Russian czar." His El Paso Energy was involved in the California energy crisis.

Wyatt's campaign donations have gone to both parties, perhaps because he was friends with John Connally. He and Connally were negotiating with Saddam Hussein during the run-up to the first Gulf War.

Samir Vincent -- an Iraqi Olympic athlete who attended college in the US -- was also involved in negotiations in 1990 aimed to head off the Gulf War, when he tried to shop a peace offer to the White House through ex-CIA director Richard Helms. He then spent the 90's trying to get the sanctions removed.

It isn't clear to me from what's been revealed that these people are anything but loose cannons -- but it sure would be nice if it came home to roost with the Republicans.
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tibbir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:04 PM
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22. I worked for that asshole here in Houston
for about 5 months in 1978 until I just couldn't stand it any more. I was being groomed to be a division controller because they wanted a woman in the position. I went to a Christmas party Coastal had and Wyatt spoke for a few minutes. What an ignoramus. :puke:
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:38 PM
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26. I be Wyatt is a lead into the whole Texas cabal
of energy corporations and intelligence agents that is an integral part of the BFEE
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:29 PM
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39. Wyatt is a long-tiime Bush family friend
One knowledgeable source is the well-known Texas oil man and Bush campaign contributor Oscar Wyatt of Houston. In a recent letter to the Texas Monthly, Wyatt specifies that "when people speak of Mr. Bush's humble beginnings in the oil industry, it should be noted that he rode down to Texas on Dresser's private aircraft. He was accompanied by his father, who at that time was one of the directors of Dresser Industries." "I hate it when people make statements about Mr. Bush's humble beginnings in the oil industry. It just didn't happen that way," writes Mr. Wyatt.

Dresser was a Harriman company, and Bush got his start working for one of its subsidiaries. One history of Dresser Industries contains a photograph of George Bush with his parents, wife, and infant son "in front of a Dresser company airplane in West Texas." Can this be a photo of Bush's arrival in Odessa during the summer of 1948? In any case, this most cherished myth of the Bush biographers is very much open to doubt.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:LOjg6fzdZboJ:www.american-buddha.com/unauthor.bio.bush.htm+oscar+wyatt+%2B+bush&hl=en
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:33 PM
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40. ElPaso Energy was a "player" in the screwing of CA in 2001
along with Duke, Reliant & Enron.. All TEXAS companies.. Surprise surprise:(
ElPaso is also "tied" into the U of Texas system (favors to hide chimpie's records?)



http://www.utwatch.org/corporations/elpaso.html

El Paso Corp is locked in a make-out session with UT. This Enron-style energy-trading 'n' marketing company has wormed its way into the University with the help of the Regents. As the company flounders financially, UT suffers as well. The intertwining of education and corporation puts the University at risk of contamination, especially when corporate money is contingent on both the fluctuations of the market and the replacement of curriculum with a business agenda. The Regents have a financial stake in El Paso Corporation. Their position of power allows them to manage their own personal gain - political, financial, ideological - with UT's money.

Using UTIMCO, the Regents have historically made El Paso much richer. However, as the company is struggling to avoid bankrupty, UTIMCO has pulled its investments in the company itself; thought it still has investments worth $1,601,017 in El Paso subsidiaries as of June 2003. Regent Riter who sits on the UTIMCO board has 100-500 shares. Woody Hunt - a business bud of El Paso CEO William A. Wise - is Regental Director of UTIMCO. Both are on the Governor's Business Council, and can be seen hobnobbing at Houston's high-society soirees. This conflict of interest has come at a price to the University, underscoring the need for keeping the University's money in responsible hands.

much more

El Paso stocks have not been faring well of late since they are under scrutiny by the SEC. The stock took a nosedive after an El Paso exec - in imitation of Enron's J. Clifford Baxter - committed suicide possibly in anticipation of a scandal. In June, a major stockholder, Oscar Wyatt, accused the company of hiding profits and of understating its exposure to trading liabilities by $2.5 billion. The company's stock dropped after the SEC served subpoenas for documents regarding "round-trip" or "wash" trades of natural gas on July 12th. It dropped again when El Paso was deemed by a Federal Energy Regulatory Commission Judge to have participated in price-fixing during California's energy crisis. The Regents favor companies with high-flying marketing schemes and low-flying standards. Unfortunately, their unethical investment practices have lost us all a lot of money this year.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:28 PM
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13. Ohh, I can't wait!
:wow:
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:28 PM
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14. As if we need anything more to show the obvious. I hope republicans see it
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:36 PM
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16. how will Fox News handle this?
the oil for food scandal is their favorite story lately
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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:44 PM
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17. Ha ha
Well they might want to move it farther down on their list of favorites, according to Andrea Mitchell.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:48 PM
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18. English Guy From Financial Times On McLaughlin Group Hinted At Iraq
Oil for Food corruption too, I seem to recall.
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canuckybee Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:50 PM
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20. I feel like such an ass
I watched the show at 8:30 this morning and have spent a lot of idle time today trying to figure out who the hell D and R were. Sheesh ! Some days I feel too stupid to be allowed to live.
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:46 PM
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29. It's ok, as long as you remember " D" on Nov. 2
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:57 PM
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33. Oh God, you made me laugh!
That's a good thing:D :D
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:55 PM
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32. Don't feel like an ass.
We're all Dem Donkeys here! I do some pretty lame-brained things myself, but the smartest thing I can do is vote Kerry/Edwards on Nov.2!

Keep the faith!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:59 PM
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34. No Worries, Mate!
We all do dumbass things!:silly:

Main thing is you can talk about it..it's all good copy.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:52 PM
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21. Didn't someone here say a long time ago (or hint) that
Kerry's campaign had something BIG that they'd use in October, and that we all should just wait for it?

Could this be it? How could they know something this big and not have it get out sooner?

I guess either way, we wait!
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indyjones1938 Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:10 PM
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23. Unfortunately
if this is our "October Surprise" then I'm disappointed. This issue is far too complex for the sheeple to understand. In these dumbed-down days, if it can't fit into a 5-second soundbyte, the sheeple just say "huh?" It will be nothing more than a drop in the bucket.

Now the Bob Stevens Enquirer photos...that would be an "October Surprise." Can you imagine the fundies gasping in horror?
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:20 PM
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24. I had to rub my eyes the first time I read this
to make sure I was seeing it correctly. :thumbsup: Cool! Chris Matthews is swinging in this direction today. It's kind of hard to keep up with him, lately. Sheesh.

Who broke the story about this oil-for-food scandal, the CIA? More and more leaks are coming out of that agency. They must be livid with Junior and his cronies for all the trash dumped on them, not to mention the Plame outing. I've thought for a while that the CIA would eventually act. If they didn't cause this story to be revealed, I can imagine that there will be others on the way. Nobody, not even Junior, can mess with the CIA and come away happy. Not even with their building named after Poppy.
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redstateblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:30 PM
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25. Why have the repugs have been bringing this issue up?
Bush even stumbled across it in the last debate. They all seem to infer that it's proves something favorable to their cause.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:38 PM
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27. they've been all over it for weeks, not realizing they're implicated
I started seeing this story maybe two months ago on Pox News.

It's all about being anti-UN, anti-France, anti-Europe.

They didn't realize it was gonna blow up in their faces.

HARDY HAR HAR motherfuckers!
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:40 PM
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28. Didn't Condi work for Chevron?
Does anyone know what her position was and when she left Chevron to become Jr's advisor during his first campaign?
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:47 PM
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30. Rhetorical question (sorta)
but why would Bush be so stupid as to bring up something as damaging as this that could lead directly back to him/his Texas Oil Buddies ?

:wtf:

:hippie:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:01 PM
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35. Good Question..I thought bush had brought it up..
so when I read about it just now..I thought it would be bad for "D"'s!
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:49 PM
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31. Matthews is all over the place. He was practically licking bush's nuts
on Friday. Never forget he's a republican lap dog.

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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:07 PM
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36. wow
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Carolinian Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:07 PM
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37. Matthews is a cheating lover. Don't trust him.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:09 PM
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38. Remember Bush is also at war with the CIA.
Old scores are being settled.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:00 AM
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44. Bush has a lot of enemies within the government
He's alienated the CIA, the military, and angered civil servants in every branch of the government. You can bet that these people are looking for every opportunity to screw his administration.

(And wasn't it just yesterday that it was Saddam who was gaming the Oil For Food program??? I wonder what tomorrow's reason for going to war will be :evilgrin: )
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:48 PM
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41. what did they say about the lunge over to Gibson?
I have wondered what Charlie Gibson thought of that...
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:50 PM
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42. Oscar's wife Lynn Wyatt is an international socialite who lives in Paris
and London and New York and Houston. His son, Steve, had the famous affair with Fergie when she was Duchess of York.
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