Please stop saying OB-GYN I can't take it any more. GP, Podiatrist..

[cheshire]

Anything. Please.

[clover]

1. is it pandering?

to the mythical freaked-out "security moms"?

[cheshire]

3. I sure hope he thinks so. I find it one of the worst things women have to

do. It is humiliating and he slaps us in the face everytime he says it. Not working for me. Yuck.

[ibegurpard]

2. But they luuuuuuvvvvv them so!

:P

[Barney Rocks]

4. It's because Edwards

sued OBGYN's for multi-millions. Edwards never sued a GP or a Podiatrist--or any other Dr. that I can think of, that is why they are not mentioned all the time. The bulk of Edward's law practice WAS suing OBGYN's. By constnatly mentioning them, the Republicans are trying to get in a backhanded slap at Edwards. We need to get more publicity to the great job Edwards did in suing incompetent OBGYNs. I support Dr's who cause cystic fibrosis being held accountable. Don't you, Bush supporter? That should shut them up!

[clover]

5. bingo!

thank you

[cheshire]

6. Interesting but I still don't want to hear it. If no one knows he's miss-

ing his mark.

[Barney Rocks]

13. Actually, everyone that I encounter in

"real life" knows exactly what Bush and Cheney are referring to. They "get it" and it is a great source of chuckles to them. I don't have the luxury of pretending "not to get it" in my real life--I have a cousin who is an OBGYN doctor in Arizona and I cannot repeat here the things that he says about Edwards. Suffice it to say, even though prior to this election, my cousin had been a lifelong Democrat, Edwards is not going to bring in the OBGYN vote. However, if we can explain about how the doctors he sued were all incompetent and it was a good thing they were stopped--well we could spin this to BRING in the votes of many undecided people.

I have seen several threads here where a handful of people have acted as though they are completely clueless about why the B/C campaign keep harping on the OBGYNs. I can only assume that this is because we have never put forth our case on this issue. Instead, we are pretending that it doesn't exist--or that we don't get it. Clinton says--leave no attack unanswered.

We need to respond. I had assumed that the people here who pretend not to understand what is going on are just being disingenuous. Perhaps they are either completely out of it or pretending to be naive for some reason? Perhaps people think that if they pretend to "not get it" people will not be talking about Edwards past as a successful trial lawyer?

Personally, I think the best way to attack this is to applaud what Edwards accomplished as a trial lawyer--so I am not going to play dumb and hope that it is effective. I don't want people saying to undecided voters--oh the Kerry supporters have no idea what we are talking about--are they completely unaware that Edwards made nearly nearly a hundred million dollars suing OBGYNS (that includes the law firms take as well as his income from just the OBGYN cases). I prefer to show that I know his record and prepared to defend it.

But different strokes for different folks.

[DemBones DemBones]

16. Why would your cousin the OB-GYN hate Edwards for winning suits

against incompetent OB-GYNs? Is it just the thin white line of loyalty? Doesn't he support getting the bed guys out of the field?

[Barney Rocks]

20. It is MY opinion that

the lawsuits took care of incompetent OBGYN's. But I am not an OBGYN. My cousin disagrees with me and that is why he is angry. I think he is completely and totally wrong--but ONLY because you asked--I will tell you what he says as a justification:

He insists that Cystic Fibrosis is not linked to Vaginal delivery and he claims that the lawsuits were based on junk science. He even accuses the lawyers involved of suborning perjury!

Absolutely ridiculous. But you see, as an OBGYN, those lawsuits have changed the way he has to do business. He has changed a lot of things because of this type of litigation. He CLAIMS that he now worries constantly about every move he makes, he refuses to take high risk pregnancies, he refuses to take people without top notch insurance, he recommends C-sections nearly 100% of the time and a whole bunch of other stuff.

[cheshire]

21. So he is part of the problem and should be turned in. He does what is best

for him and to hell with the hipocratic oath. Shame on his selfish ass.

[Barney Rocks]

23. what are you going

to turn him in for? Doing his job extra cautiously because he is afraid of being sued? I have to tell you, he is not the only OBGYN playing this game. I have sympathy for him, it is an untenable situation. Anyway--he has a right to do his job the way he does, he cannot be forced to treat someone--or to follow a particular method of treatment if he disagrees with it.

What is important to me though is that I disagree with him--and I think Edwards did a great job in suing the doctors that were contributing to Cystic Fibrosis. Whenever this issue comes up--we should explain about how the doctors he sued were all incompetent and it was a good thing they were stopped--this will play well with the voters and we can use this to BRING in the votes of many undecided people.

[cheshire]

25. He took an oath to help people. Denying them because he may get sued

is putting himself in front of them. I think his oath says something about this. I see it as a sad thing to but not all doctors take this way out.

[cheshire]

17. While I am impressed with the fact that you know this. I think that most

people not only don't know but could care less. If you've never been to one you might not know just how much they may deserve what they get. Did you know that in the 70's they performed hysterictomys on a request. I do not think this is as high of a priority as you seem to think. Unless you are one, you won't put that high on your list of importance. I think doctors should hold to a higher standard and John Edwards has helped to insure that standard. If you and your cousin can't see the difference your not as smart as you think.

[Barney Rocks]

22. I never said that it is a high priority.

(to anyone except the actual OBGYN doctors)

What I said is that the people in my life are aware of the issue, and that I ALWAYS VIGOUROUSLY defend Edwards whenever it comes up--by citing that he sued incompetent OBGYNS.

My point was not that this was an important issue (I don't think anything about Veeps is that important--the race is 90% about the top guy)--my point was that we should defend our guy when it comes up--not play dumb as a strategy. Nothing irks me like people playing dumb--when what we need is to be on the offensive fighting!

I still believe that. I will continue to make a good case for Edwards to the best of my ability. If others choose to play dumb--well whatever works for them I guess--but I personally don't think that works as well.

[cheshire]

24. If you don't know your not playing dumb. If the people you speak to know

defend away. Don't assume everyones case is the same. I've never had this come up yet if it did I would certainly know enough about the person Edwards is to know the truth. He's an honest, sincere man. To assume others are playing dumb seems dumb.

[izzie]

10. Well what of it? If Edward won the docs must have done something wrong.

The problem is one half of all doctors are at the lower half of the class and since that makes them like every one else, some pretty good and some pretty bad, what can one do? If the US has the greatest health care in the world why is it all these countries that have govt. health care have the people living longer and more live births and all that?

[cheshire]

12. * doesn't have anything else, they are squicky clean.

[Barney Rocks]

14. exactly. That is my point.

we need to stand up for Edwards record--suing incompetent Dr's is good. Now maybe saying that will lose the votes of a handful of doctors, but more people are patients--and most of them will be grateful that Edwards did this. I don't think we do ourselves any favors when we don't come out and strongly defend the record of our candidates.

[KharmaTrain]

18. Will Bunnypants Explain Why Edwards Sued The OB-GYN?

My sister had a "complicated" delivery. A lack of oxygen at birth created brain damage...from what I was told many years after-the-fact was a slip-shod gynocologist (is that better???) that, if this had occured today would have easily passed as malpractice.

I'm so sick of the attacks on trial lawyers as some evil creation, when it's the people they protect us from who would slit our throats, flood our homes with unsafe products and destroy our environment if it meant an extra piastre.

[cheshire]

19. Amen, The times of getting away with murder should be behind us.

[Andromeda]

7. I think he has a fixation on the pelvis.

It sounds almost dirty when Dubya says OB-GYN.

[cheshire]

8. He is a weasle type.

[Gelliebeans]

9. I think chimpy

has uterus envy? :shrug:
Too bad he doesn't trust women to make their own decisions regarding it.
He thinks doctor's should be allowed to practice their "love" but women should be protected by the government from their rights to choose?

Talk about mexed missages?????

[fob]

11. That's actually the only point I scored for bush*. Kerry missed it with

OG-BYN and bush* got it right on the first try!!

FOB Scoring:
Kerry 49 bush* 1

[ogradda]

15. i know of all the doctors to pick

why does he always talk about ob-gyns? he's got a weird fixation on abortion and birth control too. abstinence as the cure for aids *sniff* really.