Would Howard Dean have won tonight?

[sleipnir]

Curious to see what the rest of the old school Dean lovers (like myself!) believe about tonight. Let's have an alternate future here for a bit.

Not to drag the past back into the light, but really, how do you think Dean would have matched up against Bush in this format, these questions, and with the internets chirping away.

[freetobegay]

1. Talk about a biased poll!

[NYCGirl]

2. My suggestion would be to save this for another night. (eom)

NT

[sleipnir]

7. True, but we need a break from the internets and buying wood

I thought I'd interject a bit of a different topic for the evening.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

3. Moot point

[Maddy McCall]

4. Why keep asking irrelevant questions re Dean?

It's been over for Dean for almost a year. Why keep harping on it?

[candy331]

5. I'll bite, yes Dean would have won I heard quite a few things Kerry said

tonight that Dean spoke in the past, but YOU are opening a can of worms that probably is better left covered for now don't you think?

[Dob Bole]

6. Off subject...is there video or transcript of the Dean/Nader debate?

I'd like to see it...

[zulchzulu]

11. Video of Dean/Nader debate

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04070904_naderdean.rm?start=7:53&mode=compact

RealMedia...copy the URL in your browser and the Real player should launch if you have it on your 'puter.

[Dob Bole]

16. Thanks.

[zulchzulu]

26. Howard rips Nader a new one at 10:00 in video

Damn...watch it.

[zulchzulu]

8. Why do you ask such a question?

Dean is not the candidate. Give it a rest.

[Droopy]

10. To stir up shit.

[zulchzulu]

I know...but...

Yeah, in a dream world where Dean somehow won the nomination (which did not happen or even come close to happening), he probably would have yelled a lot and Chimpy would have yelled back...but...it's like asking if the band Bread was the next Beatles.

Yunno....

[Droopy]

18. Yep

I've got nothing but respect for Dean, he was my number two guy behind Kucinich in the primaries, but it's time to give it rest. Like it or not Kerry is the guy.

[zulchzulu]

22. I LOVE Howard Dean now...

It's almost disingenuous to bring up Howard in this light. He's doing a fabulous job these days and bringing him up in this way is a tad childish.

I was going to mention how Dennis would have done in this situation. He would have done a GRAND job as well.

We need to focus on de-Chimping America.

[sleipnir]

24. Just trying to find a different topic, other than the ones that we've had.

tonight.

Probably isn't the best time, yeah, I'll agree. But, I do mean it with all sincerity and no hard feelings. Several people feel Dean would have gotten smashed by Bush in the debates. I'm just curious to see if others feel that way or if Dean would have won tonight.

Some have pointed out that this evening could be Bush's Dean Scream, which got me to thinking how Mr. Dean would have fared this evening.

I fully acknowledge that Kerry is the candidate and I honestly believe he did a better job tonight than Dean would have. Kerry's cool is something Dean does not possess, which proved to be quite a asset considering Bush's ridiculous speech.

[zulchzulu]

28. I understand

I wasn't a big fan of Dean during the primary season. I understand your frustration at seeing the possibility of having Dean being in the ring with Chimpy.

It's an unanswered enigma. If Howard had been the nominee, he would have ripped Chimpy a new one in his own style.

I'm totally for Howard now and respect him greatly, unlike Joe Trippi (who I feel made Dean lose).

We can dream. All the best for you wishing Howard was wheelin' and dealin' with the feelin' on Chimpy's squealin'.

[ibegurpard]

9. Well, that depends

Would some of the media have said up is down about Bush like they did tonight?

[pansypoo53219]

12. i think Dean would have been far more brutal

and may have given him a wedgie.

[4_Legs_Good]

13. Good question!

But man has Kerry proven himself to me in the last 2 weeks. I gotta admit I thought it was a mistake from Iowa on, but now I'm convniced.

Not that Dean wouldn't hav won too, and I was a Kucinich supporter!

david

[sundancekid]

14. talk about wrong poll, on wrong night ... HELLO!! how about a little class

like Dr. Dean would have shown????

[NYCGirl]

19. Exactly my point. Let Kerry have his night.

There's no need for this right now.

[LVdem]

15. doesn't matter...its Kerry we need to be concerned about

[Crunchy Frog]

17. Unknowable and irrelevant.

I don't understand the point of the question. Sounds like nothing except trying to reopen old wounds.

[Rowdyboy]

20. Any of the major Democratic candidates, including Dean, could have won

However, first, the candidate must excite enough Democrats to win the nomination. Kerry did.

I strongly believe that Howard Dean would not appreciate your posting this right now. His ego is subordinate to his dreams for our country. Obviously, yours is not. Our attention should be on our nominees, not our runners-up. I adore Wes Clark, but I see no reason to post polls asking how people think he would have done. Its childish and counterproductive.

[BattyDem]

21. I think Dean would have done well against Shrub ...

but Senator "Kennedy" did a great job tonight! :evilgrin:

[NightOwwl]

23. Dean "screams"

and he's having a meltdown.

Bush yells at the audience and lunges at the moderator, and the "pundits" at MSNBC call him powerful.

Under those conditions,a win for Dean would have been impossible.

[JNelson6563]

25. If it had been Dean vs. Idiot-usurper

there wouldn't be any askin' who won.

Julie

[fortyfeetunder]

27. My children would have done better

Now we see how frazzled * is when the heat is on. A kindergartner would have had more emotional intelligence!

[GainesT1958]

29. Only real difference:

When Dub got up and interrupted Charlie Gibson, Howlin' Howard would have jumped out of his seat and thrown Dub to the ground with a full nelson!:D

B-)

[Touchdown]

30. Carrot Top would've won.

...and his wood joke would be funnier.

OF COURSE DEAN would've won. Anybody could, including Richard Gere.:evilgrin:

[Bush was AWOL]

31. Who gives a FUCK!

The GOP would've made him into a total woman. Kerry or Edwards were the only candidates that could handle what has been thrown their way so far.

[DemBones DemBones]

32. Oh, please, give it a rest!

:eyes:

[secular_warrior]

33. Dean would've been better on Iraq but worse on taxes and demeanor

Dean would've been able to argue Iraq more effectively, but would've been slammed on his tax plan (complete rollback of tax cuts), his lack of national security credentials and his unpresidential demeanor.

Dean would've stood up for the base and the party much more firmly and clearly, but I fear it would've been for nought.

Kerry has the bio, the presidential demeanor, the debating ability, the military creds, the foreign policy resume, the strong populist/progressive tax plan which cuts taxes on 98% of Americans and makes rich pay fair share (as opposed to raising taxes on everyone).

Dean is the future of the party, but Kerry is the next president. Kerry is the only one of our candidates who could've beat BushCo.