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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 10:13 PM
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Enough about Ann Coulter: Answer the Jersey Girls questions about 9/11!
Is anyone else outraged at all the attention that Ann Coulter is getting for attacking the Jersey Girls? How is it possible that everyone is talking about what Ann Coulter wrote, and no one is talking about what the Jersey Girls have to say?

Instead of jumping in to defend them from this insignificant hateful warmonger, I bet the Jersey Girls would rather have people pay attention to what actually happened on 9/11 and
start answering their questions!

1. Was NORAD aware of the four hijacked planes veering off course even before being reported by the FAA? If not, please explain why NORAD, which monitors 7000 flights a day, was unable to track the four aberrant flights.

2. At precisely what time was NORAD notified of each plane being hijacked? What was their response?

3. Who determined from which bases the F-16s should be scrambled? Why were fighter jets scrambled from such distant bases such as Langley Base in Va. instead of Andrews Air Force Base, a mere 10 miles from the Pentagon? Who were the pilots of these F-16s?

4. Why weren’t the jets able to intercept the hijacked planes if they were airborne within eight minutes of notification? What was their airspeed?

5. It is reported that there were two F-15s off the coast of Long Island while Flights 11 and 175 were in the air. If there were indeed fighters off Long Island, why weren’t they diverted to investigate Flights 11 and 175? Were any other military planes flying routine missions on the morning of September 11th which could have responded?

6. Why did NORAD wait until after the second plane hit the WTC to try and prevent possible further attacks? Why weren’t the fighter jets that tailed flights 11 and 175 as they crashed into New York’s WTC, immediately rerouted to intercept flights 77 or 93, before they crashed into the Pentagon and Pennsylvania?

7. Why wasn’t the Pentagon defended?

8. Were surveillance satellites orbiting North American airspace on 9/11?

• What exactly does the satellite imaging reveal?
• What companies own these satellites?
• Where are the records and logs for these orbits?

9. Why were these four planes able to evade all radar? Even when the transponders are disconnected, a plane is still able to be located by its “skin” on radar screens.

10. In June 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld modified NMCC response procedure in the event of a hijacking. Could this procedural change have slowed NORAD’s response time?

11. Who was directing the defense of our country that morning?

12. What defensive actions were ordered to protect our nation during the crisis?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 10:14 PM
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1. K & R
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 10:43 PM
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2. K & R
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draft Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 10:45 PM
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3. I believe those questions are verboten
even here on DU, right?

3...2...1....
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 10:55 PM
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4. Go back to bed, America, your government is in control!
Edited on Sun Jun-11-06 10:55 PM by EOO
There should be no questions about your government's legitimacy! Here, watch the Apprentice and get fat and stupid! Here's a flag. Here's a fetus! Here's 500 channels of horseshit! Go back to bed, America.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:27 AM
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10. 8 recs before the dungeon. n/t
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VPStoltz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 11:12 PM
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5. Which explains why * and the Grinch were so adamant
aobut blocking an investigation.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:21 AM
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6. We've spent the last 3 years discussing this PNACfest
it's old news, It is a warped tangled PNAC m/l ihop ( and I have NO faith in *co) I wanna hear about the SIGNING STATEMENTS, Guantanamo, Iraq, Healthcare, Social Security,Deficits....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................


I want ANSWERS! I know the MSM will provide only what they must when forced by international media
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:56 AM
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7. Heres another question for ya..
After all these years of testing and trial runs, why wasn't the Emergency Broadcast Network activated?
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HornBuckler Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:52 PM
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12. That's A GREAT friggin' question....
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 05:53 PM by HornBuckler
You know, i've never thought of that. I heard about the whole thing over the radio (Howard Stern to be precise) and they never once broke to an Emergency Broadcast System message - however they constantly still test the damn thing. So, what constitutes an event in which it would be exercised?

Excellent point - how about you NY'ers? Did you get any Emergency Broadcast signals?


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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:59 AM
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8. kick
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:31 AM
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9. exactly..but there were two fighters in the pinelands of S. NJ up and in
the air and they were not sent to NY minutes away..in f16's

WHY WAS THE HEAD OF NORAD AND THE FAA..NOT PUT UNDER OATH ?

why was a member of the FAA who destroyed evidence the day of 9/11 not arrested..but was promoted?? ..he destroyed tapes he made of the air traffic controllers and destroyed them and put them in many garbage cans to get rid of them..
to destroy evidence after a crash is illegal as hell!

why was jeb Bush not called in front of the 9/11 commission and put under oath and asked why 4 days prior to 9/11 he began the process of martial law?

why was the question not asked of gulianai ..who gave the orders to "pull" building 7 ?..under oath...

why was the flight service manager.. for american airlines not interviewed by the 9/11 commission.. of AA flt 11 of his conversation with flight attendant Amy Sweeney ?? from the following article..




Stewardess ID'd Hijackers Early, Transcripts Showby Gail Sheehy

This column ran on page 1 in the 2/16/2004 edition of The New York Observer.
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‘Were Amy’s last moments put to the best use to protect and save others?’—Michael Sweeney, Flight 11 widower

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The politically divided 9/11 commission was able to agree on a public airing of four and a half minutes from the Betty Ong tape, which the American public and most of the victims’ families heard for the first time on the evening news of Jan. 27. But commissioners were unaware of the crucial information given in an even more revealing phone call, made by another heroic flight attendant on the same plane, Madeline (Amy) Sweeney. They were unaware because their chief of staff, Philip Zelikow, chooses which evidence and witnesses to bring to their attention. Mr. Zelikow, as a former adviser to the pre-9/11 Bush administration, has a blatant conflict.

"My wife’s call was the first specific information the airline and the government got that day," said Mike Sweeney, the widowed husband of Amy Sweeney, who went face to face with the hijackers on Flight 11. She gave seat locations and physical descriptions of the hijackers, which allowed officials to identify them as Middle Eastern men—by name—even before the first crash. She gave officials key clues to the fact that this was not a traditional hijacking. And she gave the first and only eyewitness account of a bomb on board.

"How do you know it’s a bomb?" asked her phone contact.

"Because the hijackers showed me a bomb," Sweeney said, describing its yellow and red wires.

Sweeney’s first call from the plane was at 7:11 a.m. on Sept. 11—the only call in which she displayed emotional upset. Flight 11 was delayed, and she seized the few moments to call home in hopes of talking to her 5-year-old daughter, Anna, to say how sorry she was not to be there to put her on the bus to kindergarten. Ms. Sweeney’s son Jack had been born several months premature, and she had taken the maximum time off over the previous summer to be with her children. "But she had to go back that fall, to hold the Boston-to-L.A. trip," explained her husband.

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"Amy, this is Michael Woodward." The American Airlines flight service manager had been friends with Sweeney for a decade, so he didn’t have to waste any time verifying that this wasn’t a hoax. "Michael, this plane has been hijacked," Ms. Sweeney repeated. Calmly, she gave him the seat locations of three of the hijackers: 9D, 9G and 10B. She said they were all of Middle Eastern descent, and one spoke English very well.

Mr. Woodward ordered a colleague to punch up those seat locations on the computer. At least 20 minutes before the plane crashed, the airline had the names, addresses, phone numbers and credit cards of three of the five hijackers. They knew that 9G was Abdulaziz al-Omari, 10B was Satam al-Suqami, and 9D was Mohamed Atta—the ringleader of the 9/11 terrorists.

"The nightmare began before the first plane crashed," said Mike Sweeney, "because once my wife gave the seat numbers of the hijackers and Michael Woodward pulled up the passenger information, Mohamed Atta’s name was out there. They had to know what they were up against."

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According to a timeline later adjusted by the F.A.A., Flight 11’s transponder was turned off at 8:20 a.m., only 21 minutes after takeoff. (Even before that, by probably a minute or so, Amy Sweeney began her report to American’s operations center at Logan.) The plane turned south toward New York, and more than one F.A.A. controller heard a transmission with an ominous statement by a terrorist in the background, saying, "We have more planes. We have other planes." During these transmissions, the pilot’s voice and the heavily accented voice of a hijacker were clearly audible, according to two controllers. All of it was recorded by a F.A.A. traffic-control center in Nashua, N.H. According to the reporter, Mark Clayton, the federal law-enforcement officers arrived at the F.A.A. facility shortly after the World Trade Center attack and took the tape.

To this writer’s knowledge, there has been no public mention of the pilot’s narrative since the news report on Sept. 12, 2001. Families of the flight crew have only heard about it, but when Peg Ogonowski asked American Airlines to let her hear it, she never heard back. Their F.A.A. superiors forbade the controllers to talk to anyone else.

Has the F.B.I. turned this critical tape over to the commission?

At the commission’s January panel on aviation security, two rows of gray suits filled the back of the hearing room. They were not inspectors general of any of the government agencies called to testify. In fact, said Mary Schiavo, there is no entity within the administration pushing any consequences. The gray suits were all attorneys for the airlines, hovering around while the big bosses from American and United gave their utterly unrevealing testimonies.

Robert Bonner, the head of Customs and Border Protection, finally shot back at the panel with a startling boast.

"We ran passenger manifests through the system used by Customs—two were hits on our watch list of August 2001," Mr. Bonner testified. "And by looking at the Arab names and their seat locations, ticket purchases and other passenger information, it didn’t take a lot to do a rudimentary link analysis. Customs officers were able to ID 19 probable hijackers within 45 minutes."

He meant 45 minutes after four planes had been hijacked and turned into missiles. "I saw the sheet by 11 a.m.," he said, adding proudly, "And that analysis did indeed correctly identify the terrorists."

How has American Airlines responded? According to the widower Mike Sweeney, "Ever since Sept. 11, AMR just wants to forget this whole thing happened. They wouldn’t allow me to talk to Michael Woodward, and five months or so: they let him go." The Families Steering Committee urged the commission to interview Michael Woodward about the Sweeney information, as did Ms. Ong’s brother, Harry Ong. A couple of days before the hearing on aviation security, a staffer did call Mr. Woodward and ask a few questions. But the explosive narrative offered by Amy Sweeney in her last 23 minutes of life was not included in the 9/11 commission’s hearing on aviation security.



they were my co-workers...fly



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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:12 PM
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11. A possible answer to question 1
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 02:12 PM by Turbineguy
After a career of either standing watch or supervising watchstanders, even though hundreds, even thousands of data points are monitored, I can say that people often fail to pick up on changes. And 4 out of 7000 is a very low number.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard, "the alarm did not go off"...

Even if the changes are noted the significance is not always understood, then there is information to be passed up the dicision chain, etc.

In the investigation of most disasters, the signs were there to be seen, but obviously were not seen. Since all responses that day were dependent on that very first point of spotting the flight anomalies, things went the way they did.





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