Is Judy Miller threatening Bushco with revealing MIHOP?

[Mandate My Ass]

I've only had limited time on the computer for a few days, so it was only today that I read the Judy Miller interview "The 9/11 Story That Got Away" on alternet. It was a real mindbender for all the reasons discussed here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

But what almost made my eyeballs pop right out of my head was this particular passage:

http://www.alternet.org/story/36388/

"The morning of Sept. 11, I was downtown about 12 blocks from the World Trade Center. I remember walking to a school around the corner with a very clear view of the World Trade Center, because it was just a few blocks away. And all I can remember thinking was, 'Are they going to get those books to the warehouses on time?' I was also trying to make up my mind who I was going to vote for in the New York Democratic Primary. And -- everybody says this -- it was one of most beautiful days in New York I ever remember!

"When I got to the Baxter School, there were people standing out in front of the school, pointing at the World Trade Center, which was on fire, and I looked up. I asked what had happened, and they said that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. There was an awfully big gash in the building and I didn't see the plane, but there was an awful lot of smoke and I thought, 'Gosh! That was a pretty big space for a Cessna or something to have gotten into that building.'

"And here I had spent my whole summer, my whole past year thinking about an Al Qaida attack, and I yet wouldn't let myself believe that it was happening right then. I simply wouldn't believe. So I turned around without voting, without going into the building, and I started to call my CT sources in Washington, and I remember reaching the counter-terrorism office at the White House, and I was told that nobody was there, that all of the principals were out giving speeches or doing something else. And I said, 'OK, I'll try to call back in 15 minutes.'

"By that time I walked to my house a couple of blocks away, and I heard a boom, and I turned around and once again I didn't see the plane, but I saw the fire shoot out from the building from the plane.

Can anyone else read that first paragraph without thinking "Texas NY schoolbook depository?" That of course leads one to recall an event so catastrophic, that everybody remembers where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news. And who can think of the JFK assassination without also conjuring the ongoing theories that the gov't may have had a hand in covering up the truth of what happened that day and it was very much about CYA?

Her description of the events of that morning, which happened while she was within 12 blocks of the WTC, is very strange. She was so close by but didn't see or hear a plane striking Tower 1? She had a "very clear view" but only became aware of what happened when she saw people pointing at the damage? Weird.

Her immediate thought is that a "Cessna" did it but that the damage was so much greater than a Cessna would have caused. Why did she think of a much smaller plane, particularly a "Cessna?" Again it's a reminder of the plane that the hijackers were training on, another sticking point in the "official" 9/11 story. She also doesn't see the second plane hitting, or a plane at all. The engine noise from a large passenger airliner flying low enough to hit a skyscraper in one's direct vicinity would be almost deafeningly loud, but she heard nothing but a "boom" after the plane had hit the second tower.

I don't doubt for a second that Judy is a dyed in the wool neocon, so her complaint that the events of that day prevented her from voting in the NY Democratic primary seems to be just another shot across the bow.

Then there's this description of her disbelief at having gotten a leak from an "impeccable source" of supposed NSA/Al Qaeda intercepts during the 7/4/01 alleged terrorist-threat weekend:

"I said, 'Why are you doing this? Why are you giving this to me?' and he said, 'I just can't get my headquarters to pay attention to me, but I know that if it's from the New York Times, they're going to give it a good read and ask me questions about it.' And there's also this genuine concern about how, if only the president shared the sense of panic and concern that they did, more would be done to try and protect the country.

"This was a case wherein some serious preparations were made in terms of getting the message out and responding, because at the end of that week, there was a sigh of relief.

Whoever her impeccable source is on the NSA angle would be in a shitheap of trouble if his identity became known. There would be no going to jail to protect a source on a story she didn't write about, that didn't work the first time, and now she's less inclined to do so due to her falling out with Scooter-pie.

She also brings up Able Danger, something Rummy tried his best to quash when Curt Weldon blew the cover on that story.

Holy blackmail, Batman. The aspens are turning -- AGAINST each other. I think she's telling Scooter et al to back off, OR ELSE. :wow:

[mmonk]

1. Well,

a delegation led by the Director General of Pakistan's ISI, Lt. Gen. Mahmoud Ahmad was in the US for consultations with the CIA and the Pentagon during the morning of 9/11 (having arrived Sept. 4th). Mahmoud was a financiar of M. Atta. Maybe that is what a source might have let her know.

[mirandapriestly]

2. Thanks for posting this.

That is exactly what I thought when I saw the book & warehouse reference ! The excerpt reads like another coded message similar to the "aspens turning" email between her and Libby. I think there are more WTC witnesses who said they heard an explosion but saw no plane, than there who who said they saw the plane.

[mmonk]

4. Well I saw the second one live

on TV and that was a plane.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. I thought she lived out on Long Island

where she likes to walk her dogs on the beach. Why would she be voting at a precinct in Downtown NYC?

[Mandate My Ass]

6. I'm sure she does very well for herself

Catapulting the propaganda is quite lucrative these days. She probably has more than one residence. Or, she deliberately votes in the wrong precinct like Ann Coulter.

[Dora]

27. Voting at a different location is not unheard of.

I work for a large university, and during every big election they set up voting booths where EVERYONE can vote, as long as they're registered to vote in this county. It's a courtesy for students and staff, and it makes voting much easier. The booths are set up for early voting, and they're also open on Election Day, and they're staffed by the same volunteers and staff that any other voting site would use.

[DoYouEverWonder]

38. Lower Manhattan

and the North Shore of LI are in seperate counties.

I'd like to know where's she's registered to vote. It might blow a small hole in her story if she's registered in Nassua or Suffax County.

[druidity33]

32. rich people...

in NYC have an apartment and a summer home on Long Island. I grew up there... i'll only go back to visit family nowadays. The place is a NIGHTMARE. Two residences means you can choose to vote in either precinct?

[sabbat hunter]

36. no

one is her "permanent residence" that is where she goes to vote. the other is her vacation home.

[DoYouEverWonder]

39. It doesn't matter how many properties you own

You still have to declare one your permenant residence.

[Marr]

5. I think she's just an attention whore with an oversized ego, personally.

She wants to be relevant.

[jazzjunkysue]

13. Right. She misses the limelight.

[linazelle]

7. I have a clear view of the Sears Tower in Chicago 20 miles away

Just because you can see a building, doesn't mean that you are close enough to see everything happening around that building.

[Mandate My Ass]

8. I'm not saying that

her recounting of events seems to deliberately poke holes in the official 9/11 story. I live near a large international airport, so when the planes are flying lower than normal, although never that low, I can't help but hear them even though it's a routine occurrence. She deliberately points out that at 12 city blocks distance, she noticed nothing out of the ordinary until the planes had struck and someone else pointed this out to her.

It's not my belief that she should have seen and heard everything, but it's her detailed assesrtions that nothing seemed out of the ordinary until afterward, is somewhat strange.

[peacetalksforall]

9. Her comment -

'Gosh! That was a pretty big space for a Cessna or something to have gotten into that building.'

EQUATES to 'his' comment -

I thought that that was one bad pilot.

Creatures - where are these people coming from?

There are no souls in those bodies.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. Ever read David Icke?

There are days when I begin to think he was onto something with his lizard people.

[spinbaby]

14. That's what I thought, actually

My first thought when I heard that a plane had hit the Trade Center was that there was a Cessna splattered across the side of the building.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. The first report aired on NY's NBC station was that a small plane hit. A

bystander was on the phone with the station and said that's what he saw hit the building. I heard it live.

[DemonFighterLives]

11. Democratic Primary????

She must think that anything goes now. If she is a democrat, I am in the wrong party.
Neocon facist party doll!
:freak:

[Mandate My Ass]

12. I knew she was pulling our collective legs on that one

Democratic Primary?!?! Judy? :rofl:

[DemonFighterLives]

34. Sure seems strange

I see this topic fell into the dungeon.
Must be something big here, I'll have to reread. :rofl:

[Warren Stupidity]

20. She is a new yorker and a war party democrat.

So it certainly is not unthinable that she, like our dear jomentum, actually considers herself a liberal who happens to support fascist imperial folly. She gets in line with jomo, hill, bill, until recently our standard bearers jk and je and the rest of the war party democrats. Nothing unusual there at all.

[DemonFighterLives]

35. I see what you mean, but most NY'ers think dubby was involved

with MIHOP/LIHOP. Hill is a kinda poor example of a dem. She is a centrist or something like that.
Still Judy is not normal and would be a disgrace to our party.
:party:

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

15. Thanks for Posting. The DU link is broken

nm

[Mr_Spock]

16. Interesting daMIHOP code plot - write a book!

The assumptions made concerning her description of events make it clear to me why the 9/11 forum exists. There are a lot of good explanations for why that experience is perfectly realistic.

[gordianot]

17. Cronkite once said a massive conspiracy will crumble because people talk.

The participants just cannot keep a secret to a heinous crime. He used this to explain why he thought the Kennedy assassination was not a Government conspiracy that some one one have come forward. I am not sure I buy this thesis, but just maybe.

[CoffeeCat]

19. About Libby's letter to Miller...

Remember he told her that she "had stories to write"?

He also told her, in that cryptic letter, that "The Aspens are turning and that they turn in clusters." Remember how a DUer deciphered that the "Aspen Conference" in Colo had just happened. The conference was a meeting of conservative elites. Bob Novak wrote a column about he conference. The article, titled, "Bashing Bush in Aspen" was a clear message to Junior that the power-broker conservatives were not happy with him.

Libby's note to Judy, basically told her that she no longer needed to keep secrets. She should talk and gain her freedom--because "the Aspens are turning" and she need not remain in jail for a pResident against which everyone was turning.

Judy's latest verbiage here is interesting. Maybe she'll be the one to "out" major BushCo crimes. After all, as Libby said, "She has stories to write."

The neocons used her before, to get us into war. They're probably using her again to destroy Junior. After all, he's only their cute, likable, electable little poodle--who carried their message like a folksy good boy. I believe Junior has become a horrendous liability. The neocons know this. He was never one of the players. Junior isn't even a PNAC signator. He was the one who could get elected. Now, he's just a disaster. As he goes down, so does their agenda.

They signed on with Junior because he was electable. Now, he's deplorable. They know that if Junior goes down, he takes the PNAC/neocon ideals and agenda with him, into the toilet.

I think they're all working against him, behind the scenes. There have been so many leaks lately (NSA, Dubai). This information was always available. Who is leaking it now?

(Also, the Texas Book Depository also popped into my head, when I read Judy's first paragraph. Interesting that others thought of that also).

[Viva_La_Revolution]

21. I call Bullshit on her whole story... for 2 reasons..

1. she's a lying BushCo shill
2. why is this the first time we have heard this story from her? I can't find any references to her talking about what she saw on 9/11 before now.

[Mandate My Ass]

23. Oh definitely...if her lips are moving, she's lyin'

Even the title "The 9/11 Story That Got Away" suggests that the whole thing is a fish tale. Still, she takes a lot of swipes at the administration.

Then there's the writing in code that these freaks love so much. She's lying, but she's doing it in the same vein as Scooter's "the aspens are turning" letter. She's letting them know where the chips will fall if Libby decides to scapegoat her in his trial.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Didn't she basically admit LIHOP?

Her recent WSJ oped recounted how she was warned to stay off of commercial aircraft starting in the summer of 2001, as there were serious rumors that a huge strike was going to happen. One of the dates was 7/4/2001. This corroborates other reports of people being warned off of commercial aircraft, of the PDB 'bin laden determined etc.', of the many frustrated field agents who (as in the moussoui case where they testified to 70 reports) reported on the activities of flight instruction afflicted middle eastern gentlemen and had their reports ignored. Basically LIHOP has to be considered a near certainty, which is why PRAVDA is focused on dissing the improbable MIHOP.

Every time 'one of ours' in the media joins into the MIHOP turkey shoot without EVER MENTIONING the way plausible and almost provable LIHOP I WANT TO FUCKING STRANGLE HIM OR HER.

Judy Miller basically noted that LIHOP happened and the media yawned, looked at that stupid video and said 'see the left is a bunch of MIHOP loons'.

Fuck. We are so doomed. We are all alone here kids, nobody is going to save us.

[EVDebs]

26. NSA Op Firstfruits should have revealed any contacts she had with CT

and monitored them; this would have all been pre-9/11, btw.

Op Firstfruits was specifically designed by NSA to monitor journalist's contacts with intelligence insiders.

Either Judy's lying up a storm or she's providing further 'psy-ops'/OpMockingbird services for her handlers. Over and out.

[Philosoraptor]

24. God I hope so, they let her go to jail, she may hold a grudge about it.

And SURELY there are other conspirators who will come forward after they too have been betrayed. That is, IF there was a conspiracy.

[EVDebs]

25. NSA started two PRE 9-11 "policy shifts"

Greg Palast tells us from his inside source

""... A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, "There was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off " from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, "follow the money," was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die. ""

Khan Job: Bush Spiked Probe of Pakistan’s Dr. Strangelove, BBC reported in 2001
Monday, February 9, 2004
www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=312&row=0

Combined with Wayne Madsen's reporting about NSA instituting Operation FirstFruits, a spying-on-reporters-via-insider-contacts program that was meant to plug leaks but was really about stifling the flow of information re illegal NSA programs:

""December 28, 2005 -- BREAKING NEWS. NSA spied on its own employees, other U.S. intelligence personnel, and their journalist and congressional contacts. WMR has learned that the National Security Agency (NSA), on the orders of the Bush administration, eavesdropped on the private conversations and e-mail of its own employees, employees of other U.S. intelligence agencies -- including the CIA and DIA -- and their contacts in the media, Congress, and oversight agencies and offices. The journalist surveillance program, code named "Firstfruits," was part of a Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) program that was maintained at least until October 2004 and was authorized by then-DCI Porter Goss. Firstfruits was authorized as part of a DCI "Countering Denial and Deception" program responsible to an entity known as the Foreign Denial and Deception Committee (FDDC). Since the intelligence community's reorganization, the DCI has been replaced by the Director of National Intelligence headed by John Negroponte and his deputy, former NSA director Gen. Michael Hayden.

Firstfruits was a database that contained both the articles and the transcripts of telephone and other communications of particular Washington journalists known to report on sensitive U.S. intelligence activities, particularly those involving NSA. According to NSA sources, the targeted journalists included author James Bamford, the New York Times' James Risen, the Washington Post's Vernon Loeb, the New Yorker's Seymour Hersh, the Washington Times' Bill Gertz, UPI's John C. K. Daly, and this editor , who has written about NSA for The Village Voice, CAQ, Intelligence Online, and the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC)....

In addition, beginning in 2001 but before the 9-11 attacks, NSA began to target anyone in the U.S. intelligence community who was deemed a "disgruntled employee." According to NSA sources, this surveillance was a violation of United States Signals Intelligence Directive (USSID) 18 and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. The surveillance of U.S. intelligence personnel by other intelligence personnel in the United States and abroad was conducted without any warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. The targeted U.S. intelligence agency personnel included those who made contact with members of the media, including the journalists targeted by Firstfruits, as well as members of Congress, Inspectors General, and other oversight agencies. Those discovered to have spoken to journalists and oversight personnel were subjected to sudden clearance revocation and termination as "security risks."""

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/2005_12181231.php

The NSA's 'policy shifts' prior to Sept. 11, 2001, make clear that that MIHOP or LIHOP were being tolerated. Also, consider the strange case of the whistleblower Indira Singh re Ptech (now known as GoAgile), as conveyed by an article by Rachael Ehrenfeld:

""Ptech is used primarily to develop enterprise blueprints at the highest level of US government and corporate infrastructure. These blueprints hold every important functional, operational, and technical detail of the enterprise. A secondary use of this powerful tool is to build other smart tools in a short period of time. Ptech’s clients in 2001 included the Department of Justice, the Department of Energy, Customs, Air Force, the White House, the FAA, IBM, Sysco, Aetna, and Motorola, to name just a few. ""

Dollar of Terror
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730

The FAA connection is fascinating given the wargames ongoing during Sept. 11, 2001 (Vigilant Warrior, Vigilant Guardian, Northern Warrior, Northern Vigilance, Tripod II, and the CIA's 'plane-into-building' exercise) as reported in MSM but just barely has the public been given the full details. This may be important, given that the WhiteHouse still (?) retains GoAgile along with the rest of the DoD. Presumably the NSA even.

Something definitely stinks.

[DemonFighterLives]

37. Good Post!

Lot's of information there.
:yourock:

[dailykoff]

28. Sure sounds like it.

So she finally figured out that we were sold a bill of goods about al Qaeda. Better late than never.

[Virginian]

29. The sound of the second plane

She also doesn't see the second plane hitting, or a plane at all. The engine noise from a large passenger airliner flying low enough to hit a skyscraper in one's direct vicinity would be almost deafeningly loud, but she heard nothing but a "boom" after the plane had hit the second tower.

It depends on if the plane passed over or near her before it hit. You can't hear a plane until it is right up on you if it is headed in your direction.

There is a park in the landing path for National Airport. It's quiet there, but you can hear the planes in the distance revving their engines as they move around on the ground going to the gates or preparing for take off.

When the planes are landing in the same direction the river flows (from the North West), they pass right over the park. If you sit facing the airport, centering yourself to the orange thingies between you and the airport you can NOT hear a plane approaching until they are almost right above you. Suddenly the noise is deafening as the landing plane passes over -- I always had to cover my ears. After the plane has passed, the turbulence in the air sounds like a strong wind in the treetops but there are no trees -- just the wake of the plane.

I used to go to that park in the 1970s and sit there for an hour or so just enjoying the experience. It was free entertainment on a Saturday afternoon and at my salary, I liked anything free. I don't know if that park is still there.

From what I have heard, the planes that hit the towers were going a lot faster than a plane goes when it is landing, so if the WTC was between her and the plane, the sound of the engine may have been masked by the boom of the crash. I can understand why she might not have heard the plane.

[autorank]

30. Were we separated at birth?

Have I found my long lost twin?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3482593

K&R!!! (more later after I pay the rent)

[Mandate My Ass]

31. Wow!

You've got the long view nailed down. Day-ummmm. This is juicy stuff! Thanks for posting, I'll read the whole thread when I get home tonight. Can't wait. :hi:

[Warren Stupidity]

33. Oh what a shock, here we are in the 9-11 dumpster again. nt.

[Generarth]

40. Yeah, yeah

She's looking after our interests, sure, in a parallel world maybe.