Adnan Khashoggi and the 9/11 Truth Movement

[seemslikeadream]

I would like to see opinions on this from Mad Cow Morning news

Thanks
SLaD

http://www.madcowprod.com/05172006.html
The very same Adnan Khashoggi who has been a force behind a well-financed disinformation campaign billing itself the “9.11 Truth Movement.”

[KJF]

1. Well, I hardly an expert on this, but...

... Khashoggi is tainted and anything coming from anybody taking money from him needs to be treble checked. Who is he actually funding?

Regarding the Pentagon/remote control/WTC demolition thing, as far as I can see, none of the main sites back the no-plane hypothesis, most of them endorse some sort of remote control idea and all of them except the 9/11 timeline back WTC demolition.

[JackRiddler]

5. There's the shamefulness in this story

Khashoggi is funding NO ONE and there is no evidence he ever funded ANY ONE in the 9/11 truth movement.

For a short time - now more than two years ago - John Gray put up some small change for the movement, with no strings attached. Also, he spoke at the May 2004 Toronto conference.

It turned out Gray had published certain works through a company that was then partly bought by Khashoggi. Gray denies having anything to do with Khashoggi.

That is the entirety of the "Khashoggi connection." It is an obvious construct from a tertiary association, used liberally to smear everyone and anyone, although Gray's total association was short-lived and the money he provided a pittance.

The Toronto conference received $0 from Gray, and was done at a big loss to the organizers. Nevertheless, a variety of frauds have had no problem saying it was financed by Gray (since he spoke there! aha!).

The "COINTELPRO 9.11" article series is Hopsicker's most shameful work by far. He throws together people who have nothing to do with each other and associates them all with the San Fran and Toronto conference. It is indistinguishable from the standard attack piece on "conspiracy theorists."

I have a well-educated guess at the underlying motivation: Hopsicker's own research is not universally acknowledged as the only avenue that matters. On every other point - air defense reaction, chain of command (let alone demolition hypothesis or the like) - he is fully in support of the official story. The only findings that matter were those done by Hopsicker. Anything that distracts from his sole claim to being the only true investigator of 9/11 is therefore COINTELPRO.

[KJF]

6. Thanks for the clarification (n/t)

[yowzayowzayowza]

10. Soundz alot like a ghost inhabiting...

...the Election Reform Forum.
:evilgrin:

[JackRiddler]

11. what do you mean?

[Spoonerian]

2. Apparently hardly anybody gives a shit.

Or maybe they're all super-hip to the fact that all of the witnesses that Hopsicker has interviewed in Venice are intricately designed smokescreens:

Amanda Keller,
the pharmacist,
the Quicky Mart owner's sister,
the psychiatrist that emailed him about driving down Nokomis Ave many times and stopping at Satriales Meats...I mean the Quicky-Mart,
the cab driver,
and dozens more

Apparently, everybody in the dungeon here is wise to this. No need to investigate further. Why should even one other person spend 5 minutes corroborating even one of these stories? And surely the complexity involved in concocting a smokescreen that involves dozens of CIA-fake witnesses (as breakfornews.com's Fintan Dunne calls them) is not interesting in its own right. Since Hopsicker is the ONLY idiot to follow these planted leads, he must be a CIA-fake too. Case Closed. All we have to do is wait for Gerald Posner to be hired to de-bunk it for us.

Now, on to the controlled demolition. If you look real close in the middle of the flames on WTC II, you can see...

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. That's right - don't you dare look

at pictures of the actual event. Let's waste our time discrediting people who are trying to find the truth instead.

[seatnineb]

7. Agreed.

Keller says that the FBI pressured her into not talking.........but Keller goes and talks to Hopsicker anyway!

Hopsicker says that it is testimony of "Americans who refuse to be silenced".

And that is grade A fuckin bullshit.

If Keller talks....it is because the FBI allowed her to talk.

[Christophera]

8. This Chain Of Posts Has Most Comprehensive Perspective On Manipulation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x89258#90313

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x89258#90289

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x89258#90231

This a marvelously clear, cynically facetious perspective. THX.

DoYouEverWonder wrote:
That's right - don't you dare look at pictures of the actual event. Let's waste our time discrediting people who are trying to find the truth instead.

[Old and In the Way]

9. What's your thoughts about the 5.5T Coke bust/Titan/Chams/Atta

connections? I'm fascinated that this story seems to be getting "0" attention. This seems like it would be a big deal. Only Hopsicker is covering it. What gives?

[DrDebug]

3. It's called keep your enemies close

As far as calling something a disinformation campaign; quite a number of things are not true, however there are many issue which are still open for discussion and evaluation. I think that a better description is Gate Keeping. Make sure that you know who are thinking what and put some people in the group who at least try to guide the masses away from the movement or lead in the wrong direction. We see the same thing here as well with the Pentagon plane where you have endless discussions with one objective and that is to confuse people.

As far Khashoggi goes, he has invested enough money to make sure that Bush got in the White House, so it's more like keeping an eye out on his "investment."

Fire Star Trust
Curtis, Feeney, Khashoggi link

An exhaustive investigation has turned up a link between current Florida Republican Representative Tom Feeney, a customized Windows-based program to suppress Democratic votes on touch screen voting machines, a Florida computer services company with whom Feeney worked as a general counsel and registered lobbyist while he was Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives, and top level officials of the Bush administration.

<snip>

Feeney "bragged that he could reduce the minority vote and deliver the election to 'George.'" At the same meeting, according to Curtis, Feeney said he had "implemented a list that would eliminate thousands of voters that would vote for Democratic candidates" and that "a proper placement of police patrols could further reduce the black vote by as much as 25 percent."

Feeney's desire to manipulate the vote would be manifested in his home base of Volusia County in the 2000 presidential election. According to The Washington Post, at 10 p.m. on election night, Al Gore was leading Bush in Volusia County by 83,000 to 62,000 votes. One-half hour later, Gore's vote total had been reduced by 16,000 to 67,000 and an obscure Socialist candidate saw a sudden surge to 10,000 votes in a precinct with only 600 voters. The information on the Volusia optical scanner voting anomalies came from a leaked internal Diebold memorandum. In the end, Bush won Florida and the White House by a mere 537 votes in the most controversial U.S. presidential election in history.

<snip>

LePore had once been an employee of Saudi multi-billionaire Adnan Khashoggi, a Saudi link that is tied to a huge multi-billion tranche of money distributed throughout off-shore trusts, accounts, and corporations with interlocking directorships that are controlled by Bush interests in Houston. It was this Bush-controlled money cache, originating in the East, and known in Houston by the name "Five Star" and other cryptonyms that was, according to U.S. intelligence insiders, used to fund the rigging of the 2004 election.

<snip>

A former Justice Department prosecutor who investigated the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) said that the bogus check <$29.6 mil> and those responsible for it are typical "feints" used to mask actual clandestine money movements from law enforcement investigators.

<snip>

After George W. Bush's victory in 2000, the last of the gold in New York was moved to UBS Bank in Zurich. Marcos and Khashoggi set about to create Five Star Trust in 1983 as a means to create a vehicle to use the Philippine wealth to create and funnel fungible assets. In 1989, Five Star Trust was officially established in the Isle of Man by a Houston-based attorney who was a close friend of the Bush family.

Much more at the link:
http://www.opednews.com/madsen_120704_voteswitch_software.htm

As far as the comment about Hopsicker goes. I investigated two of his reports and even thouhg he made some mistakes, I am really impressed with the depth of his investigation and a lot of stuff he was said turned out to be true even though it was on Page 53 on the 296th google attempt. It is just that he has a tendency to keep focused on his own investigation which is to find out what those Saudis and especially Atta was all about.

[Sinti]

12. The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.

Interesting articles, btw. Thanks.