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delver Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:17 AM
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"Protocols of Zion" - New 9/11-Related Documentary
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 12:24 AM by delver
The tagline of this movie is "Did You Hear That No Jews Died On 9/11?"

http://www.cinematical.com/2005/10/22/director-marc-levin-on-protocols-of-zion/
http://www.filmcritic.com/misc/emporium.nsf/2a460f93626cd4678625624c007f2b46/b85d5b5ec4b26fa0882570a500124915?OpenDocument
http://www.protocolsofzionmovie.com/

This lazy, deceptive documentary does a real slick job of completely marginalizing any questioning of the official story. The only alternative theory they present is the straw-man "jews did it". Near the end of the movie, two NYC 9/11 activists appear on screen with signs that read "9/11 was an inside job" and "Stop the 9/11 Cover Up". The filmmaker narrates and lumps these "conspiracy theorists" in with the same people who blame the jews, essentially implying that that is what these people also believe.

This is a disgrace. The movie is playing in NYC and LA, I believe. Go see it for yourself. There is no mention of any 9/11 alternative evidence (or anything contradicting the official story).



My Letter to Director Marc Levin


Mr. Levin,

This was a very irresponsible piece of propaganda. How can you do a movie about this topic and ignore the very substantial evidence that elements of the US government were complicit in the attacks of 9/11? There is no evidence that I am aware of that "jews did it" and no informed, rational person would ever make that claim. Equating "conspiracy theorists" (anyone who questions the official story) to anti-semites is a morally reprehensible, irresponsible thing to do. No wonder your film got distributed--it perfectly plays into acceptable controversies that do not threaten any structural foundations. As far as I'm concerned, it appears that there is a conspiracy to promote the perception of widespread anti-semitism and to smear any opponents or credible critiques with that label.

First of all, why is there no mention of the Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. which is an obvious root of the various "no jews died" rumors? They moved out a week before 9/11. Was that a little bit "too real" to include? Hey, you could still have said that they scheduled the move six months in advance--it doesn't sound that bad!

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=600#a090401zimamerican

The "conspiracy theorists" that you show at the end of the film are not anti-semites. I've talked to them. They would not tell you that "jews did it" if you asked them. Your implication that they are part of the general group who say that no jews died or that jews did it is completely deceptive. Those two individuals are actually well informed of the facts of 9/11 and the alternative (suppressed) research. Try reading "The New Pearl Harbor" by David Ray Griffin, a book that the Left's beloved Howard Zinn enthusiastically endorses--then come back and tell me to eat the official story like you did in "Protocols".

http://www.interlinkbooks.com/BooksN/New_Pearl_Harbor.html

It's not about anti-semitism. It's about anti-fascism from whatever race or religion it may manifest! It's about the elite, its about the few dominating the many through deception, manipulation, violence and
intimidation. Whose side are you on?

Learn the facts before you make a movie and then f***ing include them for your audience. Do not deceive people--that is about as fundamental as "go do good".

http://www.911truth.org
http://www.wtc7.net
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:53 AM
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1. Disinformation isn't about telling the truth. It is about DISTORTING IT
and thereby distorting people's perceptions of what is real. I haven't seen this movie but from your description it sounds as though it is a classic example of disinformation. It purports to be one thing when it is actually something else. Pointing out to the Director that his masterpiece muddies the waters merely flatters him as that was precisely his intent.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:07 PM
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7. No, it wasn't
"Pointing out to the Director that his masterpiece muddies the waters merely flatters him as that was precisely his intent."

That was not his intent at all. Marc Levin is a serious, liberal movie-maker, and he has made a film about "Jewish conspiracy" theories and the persistent popularity of that old anti-Semitic hoax, the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. It's not a movie about 9/11, it's about these delusional but ubiquitous theories of a global Jewish/Zionist conspiracy.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:28 AM
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2. I dont even want to dignify this with a response, but
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 09:40 AM by MadAsHellNewYorker
that tagline is just so wrong, even though it doesnt seem to be what the movie is about. I just want to say, a close family friend of ours was murdered in the South Tower. he was JEWISH. and my JEWISH cousin was injured in the North tower. fuck these people :grr: and I dont give a fuck if they ment to just use that as a tag-line or whatever.
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delver Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:43 PM
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3. yeah..the tag line is wrong
but what's even wronger is what our government did to us on 9/11.

why is the 9/11 Truth Movement not even a footnote in this movie?

that's what should really be getting us mad as hell.

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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:21 PM
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4. and how about the fact that 9/11 truth threads are
rarely seen in GD here on DU?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:38 PM
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5. Missing the point
I think this film is about anti-Semitism, not 9-11. The tag line was just the "latest" example. 9/11 just brought out more and more anti-Semitic rhetoric. Hell, take a look around the forums here! Talk to some of the moderators and ask how many posts they have delete because of anti-Semitic rhetoric.

Maybe I am missing the point, but after watch the trailer, it is appears to me that the producer was using the tragedy of 9/11 as the catalyst of the latest wave of anti-Jewish hate.

Take a look at the film trailer, if you haven't already and see if you get a different impression.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 05:56 PM
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6. It's a movie
about the Protocols of Zion and "Jewish conspiracy" theories, not about 9/11. That's why there are no mention of other alternative theories about 9/11 - not because it's Mossad disinfo.

Sheez.
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delver Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 01:32 PM
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8. Israeli art students
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Informed Citizen Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 05:25 PM
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9. You are wrong
Its a movie that builds a certain documentary capital and then spends it on making one specific connection, implication, or critique. Washington has a cozy relationship with Hollywood these days to create propagana like "Black Hawk Down", "Threat Matrix", and "Over There". They way that propaganda works is that it demonstates a certain level of historical accuracy, while presenting information in a manner that is favorable to the interests of those paying the producers.

As Delver makes clear in his post, the film maker decided to inaccurately portray two reasonable 9/11 skeptics as pursuing anti-semitic ends. Why do you think he did that? You may want to look at the movie poster before responding. It is my belief that this movie was produced specifically in order to discredit 9/11 skeptics. We've all heard about the book, and the KKK, and nutty hill people and their nutty racist ways. I suppose that its entertaining in a tragic way. But the only new thing in the movie were those two guys and the lie that the filmmaker told about them. Why do you think he did that? And Is Delver suggested, the movie didn't include even the most relevant information about his own project. This selective ommission can not be easily excused. I suggest being more skeptical of the motives surrounding the production of any movie or television show if its about a contravercial subject. Thankfully, not too many people are going to see this crap.

- I.C.
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pox americana Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 06:14 PM
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10. I have a feeling you're right.
I haven't seen it, but the reviews make it sound like a not-terribly-deep Michael Moore knock off, which makes you wonder if it's basically a propaganda vehicle.

The bottom line is that this administration is VERY good at playing the anti-semitism card, which is probably the only thing propping up their 9/11 story at this point.

That and making all those NYC media guys fabulously rich.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:37 AM
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11. Baloney n/t
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Informed Citizen Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:32 PM
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12. Wow! Convincing argument. (n/t)
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delver Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:37 PM
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13. yes, i excuse their lack of accurate information...
because i believe in the official story and i think anti-semitism is one of the most critical issues facing our world today.

sheez.

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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:22 AM
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14. Marc Levin
Do you even know anything about Marc Levin? This isn't his first film, you know. He's been exposing the war on drugs, the CIA, the death penalty, among other things. And now he's taken a look at the resurgent anti-Semitism in the US, which is worrying. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will, and I think it will be interesting.

filmography
(2000s) (1990s)

Protocols of Zion (2005)
Back in the Hood: Gang War 2 (2004) (TV)
"The Blues" (2003) (mini) TV Series (episode "Godfathers and Sons")
"Street Time" (2002) TV Series (episode "Instant Karma") (episode "No Excuses") (episode "Premiere") (episode "Random Act") (episode "Respect") (episode "Reversal of Fortune")
Gladiator Days: Anatomy of a Prison Murder (2002) (TV)
Brooklyn Babylon (2001)
The Kennedy Center Presents: Speak Truth to Power (2000) (TV)
Soldiers in the Army of God (2000)
Twilight: Los Angeles (2000)


Whiteboyz (1999)
... aka Whiteboys (France)
... aka Whiteboyz (USA: video box title)
Thug Life in D.C. (1999)
"Moyers on Addiction: Close to Home" (1998) (mini) TV Series
Slam (1998)
CIA: America's Secret Warriors (1997)
The Execution Machine: Texas Death Row (1997)
Prisoners of the War on Drugs (1996)
Gang War: Bangin' in Little Rock (1994)
The Last Party (1993)
"America Undercover" (1993) TV Series (episode "Soldiers in the Army of God") (episode "Thug Life in D.C.") (episode "Back In the Hood: Gang War 2")
Mob Stories (1993)
Blowback (1991)



Filmography as: Director, Producer, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Cinematographer, Himself

Producer - filmography
(2000s) (1990s)

Protocols of Zion (2005) (producer)
Back in the Hood: Gang War 2 (2004) (TV) (producer)
Heir to an Execution (2004) (producer)
The Job (2003) (producer)
"Street Time" (2002) TV Series (executive producer) (episode "Born to Kill") (supervising producer) (episode "Betrayal") (episode "No Excuses") (episode "Reversal of Fortune")
Gladiator Days: Anatomy of a Prison Murder (2002) (TV) (producer)
Soldiers in the Army of God (2000) (producer)


Thug Life in D.C. (1999) (producer)
"Moyers on Addiction: Close to Home" (1998) (mini) TV Series (producer)
Slam (1998) (producer)
CIA: America's Secret Warriors (1997) (series producer)
Prisoners of the War on Drugs (1996) (producer)
Gang War: Bangin' in Little Rock (1994) (producer)



Filmography as: Director, Producer, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Cinematographer, Himself

Writer - filmography
(2000s) (1990s)

"Street Time" (2002) TV Series (writer) (2003)
Brooklyn Babylon (2001)


Whiteboyz (1999) (screenplay)
... aka Whiteboys (France)
... aka Whiteboyz (USA: video box title)
Slam (1998) (story) (written by)
CIA: America's Secret Warriors (1997)
The Last Party (1993)



Filmography as: Director, Producer, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Cinematographer, Himself

Miscellaneous Crew - filmography

"Street Time" (2002) TV Series (executive consultant) (episode "Above Suspicion") (episode "Good Deeds") (episode "Instant Karma") (episode "Lesser Evils") (episode "Premiere") (episode "Rabid Dawg") (episode "Random Act") (episode "Respect") (episode "The Truth Hurts... Bad")
Last Party 2000 (2001) (godfather)
... aka The Party's Over (USA: video title)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0505660/

http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/CIA.html
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delver Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:09 AM
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15. marc levin
wow, you sure know a lot more about marc levin than me. because he made all those movies i am probably wrong to critique him.


"resurgent anti-semitism"? says who? did it ever go away? have you really seen evidence of this resurgence or do you take the word of this movie or other media sources?

anti-semitism is important. so is anti-arabism/islam (how come there's no commonly accepted word for that) and particular form of racism and bigotry is quite obviously undergoing a renaissance. how come we don't get a movie about that? instead, it gets mentioned for about 5 seconds in "Protocols" with absolutely no followup.

none of this applies to my original critique of his treatment of "9/11 conspiracy theorists".
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