Lies under oath

[John Doe II]

Post here examples of lies under oath during the hearings of the Independent Commission. Lies that are easily to uncover as lies.
To make a start: my favorite. It only makes you wonder how it is possibly that no Commissioner grilled Robert Bonner aftert his remark cause even minimum knowledge of 911 suffice to see that he is talking BS:

MR. BEN-VENISTE: Let me ask you briefly about your statement about the day on 9/11 which I found very interesting. You say that, on the morning of 9/11, through an evaluation of data related to the passenger manifest of the four terrorist hijacked aircraft, Customs Office of Intelligence was able to identify the likely terrorist hijackers within 45 minutes of the attack, Customs forwarded the passenger lists with the names of the victims and 19 probable hijackers to the FBI and the intelligence community. How are your people able to do that?

MR. BONNER: Well, it was pretty simple actually. We were able to pull from the airlines the passenger manifest for each of the four flights. We ran the manifest through the TECS/IBIS system. This is essentially the lookout system that both U.S. Customs and INS use but it's maintained by Customs. We ran it through the system. Two of the passengers on those aircraft were hits for having been entered on the watchlist in August of 2001. That was al Mihdhar and I forget the other one's name but they were the two people that had gone to Singapore that the CIA had identified. But they actually were put on the watchlist in August of 2001 by the FBI. So they hit on those two.
Just using those two hits and taking a look at some other basic data about the flight manifest, both in terms of -- I don't want to go into a lot of detail -- but where they were seated, where they purchased their tickets, you could do just a quick link analysis and essentially, I remember I was at Secret Service headquarters, as I said, but I would say whether it was 45 minutes, I don't know but my recollection is that certainly by 11:00 a.m., I'd seen a sheet that essentially identified the 19 probable hijackers. And in fact, they turned out to be, based upon further follow-up in detailed investigation, to be the 19.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing7/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-01-26.htm


What's about the fact that at the beginning the talk was only of 18 hijackers and Hani Hanjour was only added on September 14?
What's about Adnan and Ameer Bukhari, Ameer Kamfar and Abdulrahman Al Omari who were suspected as 911 hijackers?

[spooked911]

1. well you know, Bonner was just confused-- all those Arab names look the

same...

Besides, you seem to be operating on the assumption that the commission actually wanted to find something indicating government complicity, rather than the fact that they were covering it up as much as possible.

[John Doe II]

2. Haha

:rofl:
And he always had problems to understand the difference between 18 and 19....

(Ironie off).
Just I thought it was fun to list lies that are easy to prove, have been told under oath and the Commission didn't bother to question.
And everytime a OCTler believes every word the Commission writes and if the Final Report tells something then by definition it's the truth, then they will be send to read again some examples here.

[spooked911]

3. Yes, it is absurd to take the commission as some sort of gold standard for

truth.

[philb]

9. If they assumed that the hijackers were arab and there were 18 or 19

arab names on the planes, it would have been easy. But why would they have assumed that and I haven't seen any plane boarding lists with arabs on it or any autopsies identifying any of the alleged hijackers.
But the fact that from 6 to 9 of those on the list have been found to be alive and not involved also brings up questions.

Is anyone aware of evidence that some of the alleged hijackers were actually on a plane that crashed that day?
If not, why not?

[philb]

4. Gen. Myers & Gen Arnold appear to have lied about Andrews AFB jets & etc.

Gen. Richard Myers and Major General Larry Arnold(NORAD) when asked about why no jets were scrambled to intercept the planes that hit buildings, both said that there were no planes on ready alert at Andrews AFB or Myers AFB. They said that there are only 2 bases in the entire NE Region with planes on alert(Otis AFB in Massachusetts and Langley AFB in Maryland, due to major budget cutbacks)
This appears to be untrue according to a large body of evidence. Andrews AFB is said to be the main air defense for the capital and Pentagon complex and houses Air Force One. The Military web site on 9/11 said that Andrews serves to defend the capital complex and had 3 squadrons of planes on alert, one being the DC Air National Guard squadron(DCANG).
These planes have been scrambled in the past and can be in the air in about 2 minutes and travel at 30 miles per minute. Also contradicting this are statements by General Myers and Mike Snyder(NORAD) that NORAD was not notified about the plane that hit the Pentagon but that jets from Andrews AFB were scrambled immediately after the Pentagon was hit.
This was confirmed by Richard Clark, National Security Coordinator, and news reports from Washington based news agencies. Later when Donald Arias, Chief of Public Affairs of NORAD, was asked whether jets were kept on ready at Andrews, he refused to answer. Immediately after 9/11, the military web site was changed to deemphasize Andrews AFB and delete references to Andrews capabilities.
http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html

[philb]

5. Gen Myers & Gen Snyder statements contradicted by 9/11 Comm report & other

testimony about why planes weren't intercepted. Someone is lying.

In interviews on 9/13/01, General Myers and Mike Snyder(NORAD) both said that jets were not scrambled by the military until the Pentagon was hit.
This is in contradiction to the 9/11 Commission Report timeline and other testimony by military officials.
But this is is also supported by testimony by N Y Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who said that at 9:58 he telephoned the White House and talked to Chris Henick, the president’s deputy political director. Henick said that jets had been dispatched to N Y at 9:46 AM.

Did Myers and Snyder lie, or was it the 9/11 Comm. and other military officials whose testimony was contradictory to theirs?

http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html has more details
and Dr. Griffin's book

[Dancing_Dave]

6. Good references, man!

The only question is, is the MSM just so totally stupid, or so inherently evil and deceptive to not notice such obvious lies in their "official" story??? :nopity:

[philb]

7. 9/11 Comm., & Cheney, Rumsfeld testimony contradicted by other testimony

The new revised 9/11 Comm. Scenario for Fl 77 said that the previous report of course changes and turning around(as also reported by news reports) were wrong and that the FAA was not aware that the plane had turned around and was heading towards D.C. So the plane flew undetected towards Washington for 36 minutes. The Comm. Report states that the military was never notified that the plane was headed towards D.C. and was never aware that the plane was hijacked. The Commission said that earlier reports and statements that NORAD was notified about the Fl 175 and Fl 77 hijackings were in error.
The Comm. Time Line and report supports testimony of Cheney, Rumsfeld, and others whose testimony stated or implied these "facts".

But this is contradicted by a lot of testimny of officials. So either the Commission and those who supported the Comm. position lied or the following group of officials whose testimony contradcited the Commission and top officials lied.

1. Journalist Tom Flocco reported in 2003 that Laura Brown of FAA said that a phone bridge between the FAA and Charles Leidig of NMCC had begun between 8:20 and 8:25 after Fl 11 was known to be hijacked. This conference call was begun as a significant incident call after Fl 11 was hijacked but was upgraded later to an air threat call dealing with all “planes of interest”. A source at the Dept. of Transportation confirmed the 8:25 time period for the bridge call between NORAD, Secret Service, DOD, and DOT.
Tom Flocco stated his opinion that after talking to several parties, he is convinced the call started at the earlier time]
2. Laura Brown(senior FAA official at Boston Logan) (memo of May 23, 2003) The FAA and military and NORAD had been in constant communication from just after the first WTC crash and prior to the WTC2 crash(since approx. 8:50) Many sources confirm this call and that they were talking about “all flights of interest”.
3. Matthew Wald, NY Times published story supports the Laura Brown version of the call. It reported that according to his sources: “During the hour that the Fl 77 was under the control of the hijackers, up to the moment it struck the west side of the Pentagon, military officials in a command center on the East Side of the Pentagon were urgently talking to law enforcement and air traffic control officials about what to do” (the command center is the NMCC and air traffic control is FAA)
4. Statement by Captain M. Jellinik, NORAD command director on 9/11, According to news reports quoting him, a bridge call between NMCC, NORAD, and FAA began just after the first strike on the WTC, consistent with the time of the original Laura Brown memo.
5. According to a report by Richard Clark, National Security Coordinator: He reported that the deputy director of the White House Situation Room told him at 9:15 that they had been on the air threat call with NORAD and FAA. This call had been going on a considerable time as it had begun as a significant event call and had been upgraded to an air threat call, and there had been many exchanges of information. According to Clarke, the FAA head Jane Garvey was at the White House teleconference answering questions about the hijackings before 9:20 am. The Commission report said that it could not determine who from DOD participated in the teleconference with Clark and the FAA; however Richard Clarke had testified that Gen Myers and Donald Rumsfeld and Jane Garvey were on the call. Others confirm this.
6. Norman Mineta, Secretary of Transportation, said he met with Richard Clark who was on a conference call before going to the White House PEOC room to meet with V.P. Cheney at 9:20. So Clark was on the conference call by 9:15.
7. Norman Mineta, Sec. of Transportation, testimony before 9/11 Comm.: on a meeting he was at with V.P. Cheney at the White House PEOC that he arrived at about 9:20:
“During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out”; “The plane is 30 miles out” ; And when it got down to “the plane is 10 miles out” the young man said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”


http://www.flcv.com/offcom77.html

[philb]

8. Cheney & Rumsfeld & 9/11 Commission contradicted by much testimony on UA93

The 9/11 Commission Report states that although the FAA was aware that UA 93 had been hijacked at 9:30 AM, they violated their guidelines and never reported the hijacking to the military, and no jets were scrambled to the UA 93 area. The Commission Report indicates that bridge calls between the FAA, NMCC, and other parties did not begin until 9:30. The Commission Report indicates that Cheney did not arrive at the White House PEOC center until 9:58 and gave the order to shoot down UA 93 well after the plane had crashed, and due to a false report at 10:10 by FAA that the plane was still heading for the White House.


The Comm. time line and conclusions were based mostly on the testimony of Cheney and Rumsfeld.

But all of this is strongly contradicted by a huge amount of testimony of other officials. So someone is lying big time.
see the following for testimony and details:


http://www.flcv.com/offcom93.html