Two of the bin Laden Brothers Tell Unsuspecting American Couple in 1987

[BrklynLiberal]

About U.S. Government's Plan to Topple the Twin Towers
Since then, they have been the target of CIA surveillance, interrogations and harassment in oder to keep their story quiet; Lawmakers and the 9/11 Commission have failed to assist or even listen
May 12, 2005

By Greg Szymanski

Without warning, like a flash out of the blue, a string of black limousines pulled up to the quiet Arizona home of Rene Welch and Ronald Logsdon. Their house in the desert was immediately surrounded by an intimidating group of foreign-looking men, four or five barging through the door and taking over the living room. The ones who entered quickly taped the windows black, set-up a motion-picture projector and told the frightened couple to pay attention closely.

What happened next to the unsuspecting couple in 1987 could have come right from an old James Bond movie. But, unfortunately, the scene was all too real as years later they still carry the emotional scars of the ill-fated incident. They also carry the bad memories of repeated CIA/FBI harassment, bugging, interrogations and physical abuse, stemming from the encounter with the men in the black limousines.

During the years that followed, Welch, the recipient of most of the CIA’s physical abuse, wrote a 150 page account of the 1987 incident to protect her life, sending copies to the Clinton White House and Arizona law enforcement officials. And, still to this day, she has a copy safely tucked away in a bank vault just in case "something happens."

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There are as many stories about 9/11 conspiracy theories as there are stars in the sky, but this one somehow shines brighter and larger than most. It starts out as a simple story about a young couple who crossed paths in 1986 while getting their degrees in clinical hypnosis. It very well could end, having world wide implications, since their story could provide hard evidence that the U.S. government was planning to bring down the Twin Towers as early as 1987.

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more....
http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/25592.htm

[dbeach]

1. great post and here is the 1976 plan to hit WTC

Maybe this post will get lots of responses....
I would add that bush was CIA director from 74-76

and bush with carliars had Bin Liden connections to Shafig who was in D.C. on 9/11 at carlyle conference and the other brother who died mysteriously.

"The Perfect Terrorist Plan To Level The Twin Towers Created In 1976
American Free Press | March 20, 2005
By Greg Szymanski

Our own U.S. Army devised a plan commissioned by Congress to bring down the WTC using commercial airliners and box cutters as weapons.

The laundry list of terrorist warnings handed to the Bush administration prior to 9/11 makes the President and others look like “bumbling idiots or a bunch of conniving criminals” responsible for the mass murders at the Twin Towers and in Afghanistan and Iraq.

These are the harsh words of Timothy McNiven, an outspoken critic of the President’s handling of 9/11 and a 29-year U.S. Defense Department operative still under contract with the government.

He says not only did the Bush administration purposely ignore Al Q’aida in the months preceding the WTC attacks, but the situation is even more disturbing, considering his military unit way back in 1976 devised a mock terrorist attack of the Twin Towers exactly like what occurred on 9/11. "

http://www.gnn.tv/forum/thread.php?id=3461


What other old mock military exercises do they have waiting ???

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Amazing that everyone overlooks Bush's connection to the CIA!

[dbeach]

3. YEP and overlooks most else

about caesar shrub and the traveling villains...

boy thay gotta good thing goin..all paid for by transferring the wealth of the middle clas to the uber rich

I am reading the Karl B. Shwarz book:"One way ticket to crawford'..and he outlines the illegalities of the wall st. wizards,oil barons and all roads lead to caesars palace {not the one in Vegas}


Karl reallly hammers on the Caspian oil deal worth a stunning
10 trilion.. and how the taliban were forced out by the busheviks

bush truly is a criminal for all seasons and reasons

All hail caesar!!

[BrklynLiberal]

4. Didn't Michael Moore point out that deal in Fahrenheit 911?

[dbeach]

5. DUNNO! about mike?

did read" hey dude..." good..

Karl is a great historian and has references for all his info..SCHOCKING! How the greed has consumed wall st...I still have money there as do many of us..Where is money safe???

busheviks will continue strip mining the middle class until either bush gets exposed or middle class collapses..

My history prof in 72..said it all:"rich keep gettin richer..poor poorer"

Just the rich today have more money traps and less rules..

[JackRiddler]

6. sorry...

I could always be wrong but this story is too incredible for me... especially given Szymanski as source (I've seen him make up shit before, e.g. the guy who saw the WTC black boxes found, whom I know, was NOT threatened by federal agents! Then there's the dubious McNiven story by Szymanski.) The writing is lousy, for starters, the claims pretty outlandish.

[meppie-meppie not]

7. JR what claims did you find outlandish? Don't know about his writing

because I'm still waiting for his book to arrive but I did see him on a panel and what he said about following the money and the Caspian Basin has been said by others.

[meppie-meppie not]

8. damn, I was referring to Karl Schwartz not the Greg chap, sorry.

[dbeach]

9. "One way ticket to crawford" by Karl B. Schwartz..

lays out in stuning detail and remarkable references how the Caspian Sea has over 10 trillion and the US oil barons forced out the Bridas co. from Argentina first by litigation then by the illegal invasion of Afghanistan..

Who benefits?

It will not be the US taxpayer...Wall st. greed on the rampage!

[meppie-meppie not]

10. that is the very book I'm waiting in the snail mail for. It was Karl

Schwartz I was referring to. I'm not familiar with the other man people have spoken here earlier. I was totally mesmerized by what Schwartz had to say on a DVD I have. I'm anxious for the arrival of his book!

[JackRiddler]

13. believe it or not...

I was among those who arranged for Schwarz to be on that panel (in New York). He's a great speaker and his material's good, but I'd view him (and anyone else who came out of nowhere and is now running for prez) skeptically. Which is to say, do your due diligence (it's easy enough to start: call google) and decide for yourself.

[meppie-meppie not]

14. that's good advice and point well taken by this writer. Are you

involved with the reopen911 movement? It is from that organization that I received the DVD I've referenced above. Out of all the DVD's I have it's the one I'm most impressed with to date. I didn't know that Schwartz was going to be running for Prez come '08. He was already in my skeptics radar owing to his flipping from party to party, i.e Repuke/Dem/Independent. That being said I do think he would have interesting first hand knowledge of baby turds dirty dealings.

[dbeach]

11. US govt often has mock exercises...

Is this just more lies or is it govt disinfo or is it real???
'Inquiring minds need to know"


"Welcome

I am United States Defense Department Intelligence Operative "Grillfire" aka US Government Federal Agent Timothy S. McNiven; in 1976 I took part in a Democratic - Republican Political Party US Congressional Commissioned Military Study to Improve US Air Travel Security while stationed on Strassberg Kasern in Idar-Oberstein,W.Germany assigned to C-Battery 2/81st FA, US Army 1975-76. The purpose of the Study was to Identify Security Lapses and Submit Corrective Actions to the US Congress; on September 11,2001 the Security Lapses that were used to carry out the Attacks were the same ones that were submitted to the US Congress for Correcting "25 Years" before."

http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/index.php?n=1&id=1

[JackRiddler]

12. Well, read it and tell me what you think...

First of all, I am not at all averse to the idea that the US government may have hatched and rehearsed the 9/11 scenario as far back as the mid-1970s. This seems quite plausible to me.

Unfortunately, that does not yet mean that McNiven's story is true. In fact, I approach it with greater caution for the very fact that it is very much something that I would like to see confirmed.

So far McNiven's story fails the smell test, and I'll tell you why.

The 8-page deposition by McNiven, dated Nov 10, 2003, is available at his site in the form of a scanned PDF file:

http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/docs/affidavit.pdf

I'm interested to see if any of the other participants he mentions will come forward.

His claim that he was given orders to expose the story if a 9/11-style event ever happened disturbs my olfactory sense. (As does the Capitalization of Every Other Word and the Curious Incompleteness of the Narrative.)

But one question really sticks out: If the exercise was held in 1976, how is it that he brought up Clinton as a possible future president?!

McNiven recalls the participants being asked to come up with a suitable political situation for the attack. The answer given is "hamstringing": the outgoing presidential party has set up the new president of the incoming party with a booby trap (the attack).

Who might play such a role as president, the participants are asked...

At this point, McNivens relates doing an impersonation of Bill Clinton shaking President Kennedy's hand as a boy, "like in that picture that ran in the newspapers..."

Did any such pic run in the papers in the mid-70s? If so, why should it be memorable to McNivens? Is McNivens recalling the pic from the early 60's? Why is he coming up with Clinton in the 70's, when Clinton was not yet even governor? Is this some bizarre mental mix-up? Is McNiven confused, or mind-controlled?

Are we meant to think that Clinton had already been designated for the presidency at that early date? If so, how would innocent young McNiven have guessed?

Miming the handshake would not be anything his other participants would recognize as a trademark gesture that would make them think of Clinton in 1976...

Szymanski covered the McNiven story without mentioning this bizarre and telling detail. Now the same author has got a new story that on its face seems far less plausible than McNiven's: of someone claiming to have invented a kind of future-telling device and being visited by a row of black cars from which Osama's brothers emerge to warn of the future 9/11 attack. In 1987. Only source is a man speaking on a park bench in Philadelphia.

Again, this could still be true. But it ain't of any journalistic use, not without any other source or documentary backing for at least some of the details. And the hokeyness of Szymanski's invocations of the founding fathers etc. seems to be a sorry attempt to hide how thin the story actually is.

Again, I know from the black-box example that Szymanski gets facts wrong. He's published in AFP, along with the similarly suspect Christopher Bollyn.

Let the reader beware...

[dbeach]

15. what to think and what to believe??

This is the age of disinfo and its flying..

I only think 9/11 was done by the buseviks and various vilains..

Who has the Truths in truth movement?

The MM is sure AWOL as is most pols...
So whre are the truths or does the merry gang of crimnals get to plot another day??


"I'm interested to see if any of the other participants he mentions will come forward."

And anyone who is close to the truths and comes forward like the whistleblowers get silenced and demonized...which further discourages other truth seekers..
The bad guys sure got a good thing a goin