many people STILL think Osama attacked us on 9-11

[mopaul]

just goes to show you the power of a few strategically placed lies.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Doesn't bother me as much as the people who think Saddam did it.

:puke:

[Junkdrawer]

2. Who did Osama work for?

Intelligence Matters
by Bob Graham, Jeff Nussbaum

From the Inside Flap

In this explosive, controversial, and profoundly alarming insider’s report, Senator Bob Graham reveals faults in America’s national security network severe enough to raise fundamental questions about the competence and honesty of public officials in the CIA, the FBI, and the White House.

For ten years, Senator Graham served on the Senate Intelligence Committee, where he had access to some of the nation’s most closely guarded secrets. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, Graham co-chaired a historic joint House-Senate inquiry into the intelligence community’s failures. From that investigation and his own personal fact-finding, Graham discovered disturbing evidence of terrorist activity and a web of complicity:

• At one point, a terrorist support network conducted some of its operations through Saudi Arabia’s U.S. embassy–and a funding chain for terrorism led to the Saudi royal family.

• In February 2002, only four months after combat began in Afghanistan, the Bush administration ordered General Tommy Franks to move vital military resources out of Afghanistan for an operation against Iraq–despite Franks’s privately stated belief that there was a job to finish in Afghanistan, and that the war on terrorism should focus next on terrorist targets in Somalia and Yemen.

• Throughout 2002, President Bush directed the FBI to limit its investigations of Saudi Arabia, which supported some and possibly all of the September 11 hijackers.

• The White House was so uncooperative with the bipartisan inquiry that its behavior bore all the hallmarks of a cover-up.

• The FBI had an informant who was extremely close to two of the September 11 hijackers, and actually housed one of them, yet the existence of this informant and the scope of his contacts with the hijackers were covered up.

• There were twelve instances when the September 11 plot could have been discovered and potentially foiled.

• Days after 9/11, U.S. authorities allowed some Saudis to fly, despite a complete civil aviation ban, after which the government expedited the departure of more than one hundred Saudis from the United States.

• Foreign leaders throughout the Middle East warned President Bush of exactly what would happen in a postwar Iraq, and those warnings went either ignored or unheeded.


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1400063523/qid=1113304079/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-7663732-5351262?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

[Clark2008]

7. Dunno, but I could have sworn I've seen one of these on 'im.

[Junkdrawer]

18. Osama started as a "pied piper" to lure anti-Royal Family radicals...

into a war with the Soviets in Afghanistan. After the Soviets left, he went back to civilian life and started a business just like his rich Daddy. When Gulf War I started, he reprised his "pied piper" role to again remove anti-Royal Family radicals from Saudi Arabia.

Now, the NeoCons have a direct line to the Saudi Royal Family through the Bush Family. Saudi agents, ostensibly under the financial leadership of Osama, were given a free pass right up to 9-11.

In short, Osama and the Saudis are the perfect cut-out for the NeoCons in order to perform any job they wouldn't want traced back to them.

[BurningCandy]

3. He did

It was Saddam who didn't.

[B Calm]

4. Washington Journal yesterday morning a female called in

saying the war in Iraq was part of the war on terror.. Unfreakin' believable how damn stupid some people are..

[Vektor]

5. Do you mean Saddam?

It WAS Osama.

[mopaul]

6. why do you believe that?

just curious. because it's the official white house story? don't they occassionally lie?

[BurningCandy]

10. Even a blind squirrel

finds an acorn every now and then.

[DistressedAmerican]

13. I Believe What Was In The Richard Clarke Book. He Is No Bush Mouthpiece.

I believe that Bush's massive incompetence is the reason they tried so freaking hard to cover-up what went on. Thus creating YOUR suspicions!

Massive Fucking Incompetence not MIHOP or LIHOP (unless your def of LIHOP included massice incompetence).

[Clark2008]

17. Distressed... you need a third picture there:

Yep... I fear him more than the other two. He's waaaayyyy more destructive to me, personally.

[DistressedAmerican]

22. Nice Shot. So Generic It Is Calling Out For A Caption This Thread.

Maybe I'll run one of those you provide the caption I'll provide the graphic threads I ran the other day...

He's way more destructive to my profits than that first guy...

[demodewd]

55. I could..

I could site you all the times intelligence was blocked by the Administration particularly the Justice Department that refutes your incompetence theory.

[redqueen]

59. Would you please visit the thread mocking this one that's still up in GD?

I'd love it if you'd post those references there.

Thanks a million. :)

[Vektor]

19. What?!?!

Who do you think it was?

[rodeodance]

14. to first poster=- please expand -what ARE you saying?

[mopaul]

16. simply, i don't buy the white house lie

why should i believe a congenital liar president?

[DistressedAmerican]

20. He Is A Lying Sack Of Shit. He Has Proven It Repeatedly.

However, that is not adequate proof to me that every word that has ever come out of his mouth MUST be a lie. It is a logic trap.

Again, I have to ask about the Clarke book. Have you read it? Do you have reason to question HIS veracity. I'm not citing the Whitehouse. I'm citing Clarke. Extremely detailed and informative about the Bin Laden connections and clearly not Bush/Rove driven.

Lying Sack Of Shit? Hell Yes! But...

[demodewd]

54. evidence?

What evidence do you have besides the phony video?

[slaveplanet]

8. He he

troublemaker...

[Demit]

9. Are you referring to the fact that he never quite admitted it?

My recollection is that he praised it, and boasted obliquely about it on videotape, but never actually took credit for it. Is that correct?

[mopaul]

11. correct

there just isn't any solid proof it was osama, other than the official white house story on day two.

which literally everyone bought.

[DistressedAmerican]

15. Read Clark's Book Against All Enemies. Excellent Info...

[amber dog democrat]

33. I think it was Emanual Goldstein who attacked us.

Don't forget we love Big Brother.

But I would not be surprised if Bush set up the attacks on 9/11 with the help of friends

hard to believe anything coming out of the Chimp Admin - but it seems plausable that OBL was behind THOSE attacks.

[drdtroit]

53. Well, not everyone. n/t

[Toby109]

24. Which should come as a big surprise as

Al-Qaeda took credit for the African embassy bombings in '98 within minutes.

[allemand]

41. Bin Laden statement, October 2004

"While I was looking at the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it came to my mind to punish the oppressor the same way and destroy towers in the U.S. to get a taste of what they tasted, and quit killing our children and women."
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41192

[mopaul]

44. why do you believe this is bin laden speaking?

because you saw it on t.v.?

maybe it is, but what ever happened to doubt? why accept the bush lie without forcing them to prove it?

out of the thousands of lies they've told us, why single out this one to believe?

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Shit, I believe it

That the loosely organized network known as al-Qaeda (for which Osama bin Laden was at least a figurehead leader) attacked US interests on numerous occasions, and attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon with hijacked airplanes on September 11, 2001. I believe that.

[Disturbed]

21. PROOF?

I have never read anywhere any proof that Osama bin Laden planned or directed the 911 Attack. Boot licker Powell said that he would provide it but he never has done so. Shrub put up a $25 Million bount Dead or Alive on this man without a shred of proof.

[DistressedAmerican]

23. Anti-Proof? I'll Try Again, CLARKE, CLARKE, CLARKE, CLARKE, CLARKE!

CLARKE, CLARKE, CLARKE, CLARKE, CLARKE!

Was "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside The United States" just an after the fact invention of BUSHCO?

[KlatooBNikto]

25. When the OKC bombing happened several years ago, much of our media

pinned the blame on Arabs during the first two weeks after the incident.There were no long editorials on Conspiracy Theories or fantasies when Arabs were involved.When it finally came to light, it was domestic terrorist, Tim McVeigh who did the crime, all these conspiracy mongers melted without a trace.Similar situations happened when a man, Charles Stuart,fingered black people as the perps who killed his pregnant wife during a wrong turn in Boston.And a deranged young woman, Susan Smith, fingered a black man as the culprit who hijacked her car and killed her young children.

This is what Karl Rove and Bush have realized.So long as you can inflame the xenophobia and prejudice that is the congenital defect of the American psyche, you can get away with murder.No, make that mass murder.

[DistressedAmerican]

26. Hello Stonewallers, Richard Clarke? Anyone?

[BornLeft]

27. I have always had my doubts

about OBL being the mastermind behind this. I believe he is just like our King George, an opportunistic piece of garbage.

[PsychoDad]

28. And remember all those stock options...

That were place between Aug 26 and Sep 11, as if someone was betting on the disaster happening? And remember how that story like many others vanished into the ether?

I thought it might have been because it was the Bush cabal's saudi allies or haliburton/carlyle that had profited... Looks like I might have been wrong. (at least in part)

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/315296.shtml

Still right about the bush allies tho....

[newportdadde]

42. Yep.

I find this very interesting how this has never been followed up on. This should be a giant red flag.

[DistressedAmerican]

29. Has EVERYONE Just Put Me On Ignore? Hello? Is Anybody Out There?

Clarke is the proof you seek.

I suspect that the silence denotes denial. Take off your blinders people.

I'm here.

I'm citing 316 pages of detailed proof of the connections going back through every administration since Reagan.

Get used to it!

Any responses? Anyone ready to refute Clarke?

[wideopen]

34. I haven't read Clarke's book

[DistressedAmerican]

38. It WAS Osama (Although Clarke Still Uses UBL). That's My Point.

That is exactly what is being ignored. The proof of Bin Laden's involvement in these attacks is right there to be read.

Thank you for replying (although I think out of confusion about MY point).

I was beginning to wonder if I was still dreaming. That I had shown up on DU and everyone just hit ignore...

[mopaul]

40. Bin Laden's involvement in these attacks

IF bin laden was involved with bush's knowledge, which is i guess your premise, then osama took orders from the people who ACTUALLY did it. manson didn't kill sharon tate, he ordered it, but he sits in jail forever.

[DistressedAmerican]

46. Again, Based On What? Bush Being A Liar? True But, Not Enough...

[Demit]

43. Since we all don't have the book at hand, why don't you tell us what is

the proof contained therein. I read it, but I'm not sure what it is you're referring to.

As I recall, it makes a good hypothetical case, in that Clarke was screaming for years that Osama was a danger, but mopaul is bringing up a good point--that we are assuming that he did 9/11 because of his past actions & stated purpose. It is a circumstantial case. He had motive, means & opportunity. But what is the proof?

If Clarke put forward definitive proof I don't remember it. Did he?

[mopaul]

45. and why have we given up the chase for osama?

cause he's irrelevant to the overall plan

[DistressedAmerican]

48. Because He Is Irrelevant In The Overall Plan To Get Bush Oil Profits!

That and we can't fucking find him. We could fill the border regoin and it would not matter. Bush wants to divert America's attention from a nebulous target he can't find to a big fucking country full of oil that he can see on a map.

Seem plausible, while incorporating the Bush is a lying sack of shit premise?

[Cary]

30. This line of thinking is going nowhere without better evidence.

I am no neo-con fan, but I attribute their missteps to bad judgment--not to criminal activities on their part. Frankly I think we lose credibility with accusations such as this.

There is no question in my mind that it was al Qaeda.The real problem we face, and the real revolutionary reality is that extraordinary weapons are available to ordinary people. Whether it is a fertilizer bomb in Oklahoma City, or Sarin gas in the Tokyo subway, it is available and will become ever more available to each and every wacko out there. Invading Saddam does nothing to cure the problem, though it might make some feel like we're dealing with it.

We hear nothing about this huge threat to all nation states. I can only hope that is because the leaders of nation states are dealing with it quietly. Otherwise, expect much more and much, much worse.

[mopaul]

31. the lie about WMD's was QUITE effective, why not lie about osama too?

why accept one sentence from bushco, and call all the other statements lies. why do you believe this one single lie?

[DistressedAmerican]

32. mopaul? Now Your Just Hiding From Me And Richard Clarke...

Show thyself!
:evilgrin:

[KlatooBNikto]

36. You can never underestimate the hold of racism and xenophobia

on the average American.

[robcon]

35. I believe Osama bin Laden attacked us on 9-11

I think the idea that someone else did it is evidence-free.

[demodewd]

57. think again

I think the idea that someone else did it is evidence-free.

Including the obvious standdown of US military fighter jets?

Including the lack of defensive response by the Pentagon,arguably the most fortified building in the entire world?

Including the laughable alibi of Rumsfeld that he didn't know a plane was headed towards the DC area when a June 2001 document gave him full authority of commanding military jets to intercept and if necessary shoot down hijacked planes?

[PsychoDad]

37. The culture of Lies.

That's all this administration is.

[Walt Starr]

39. Dude, Osama bin Laden ordered the attack

Seriously.

[Demit]

47. And he told you this when? Dish!

[Woody Box]

61. Hunting the tin foil hatters again, Walt Starr?

Well, your judgement is important, I remember well how you were debunking the crazy theories that the 2004 election was stolen.

[wideopen]

49. can you please present your theory

as to who did it if not obl.

[mopaul]

50. do i really have to spell it out?

[wideopen]

51. Please.

[DistressedAmerican]

52. I'm Sure I'm Right Behind You. See you In The Funy Papers!

I've never really gotten that expression...

[spooked911]

56. I think he did attack us, but he had a lot of help, and he is a patsy

more than a mastermind.

[Snivi Yllom]

58. I believe it, always did and always will

He admitted it and we are clear that he planned and executed 9/11

[number6]

60. ..STILL think Osama attacked us on 9-11,.?...... never did.

Osama,.. figure head or mastermind ?