A special plea...

[SDuderstadt]

for just 24 hours, to remember and commemorate the thousands of victims of 9/11, I propose a pledge that we will refrain from debating the various theories and, instead, remember those who are no longer with us, from those who died that day, to 1st responders who died in the days, months and years later, to those in uniform and civilians who died due to Bush's reckless behavior.

I don't believe that is too much to ask, do you?

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[BeFree]

2. + a brazillian

Make it 24 months and I'd be happy.

[BeFree]

10. I did this already, anyway, Peace on 9/11

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9102686

[SDuderstadt]

3. I'll put you down for a...

"no".

Thanks for showing your true colors.

[chimpymustgo]

4. Dude. What is your goal? Many of us are looking for answers. What are you looking for?

Seriously. You spend a lot of time just putting people down for seeking answers.

[SDuderstadt]

5. I don't respond to people who...

tell me to STFU. I'm funny that way, I guess.

[deconstruct911]

6. you responded.

[SDuderstadt]

7. To tell him why I am not responding to the content of...

his post.

Got it?

[OnTheOtherHand]

8. reality check

If all the people who thought they were "looking for answers" actually did, there would be a heck of a lot less acrimony around here.

[SDuderstadt]

9. Excellent point....

OTOH. Well said.

[SecularMotion]

13. +infinity

:applause:

[greyl]

11. That ritual would never fly in this hut. It's an ant-ritual.

Besides, special pleading is a type of logical fallacy. ;)

What if we learn the birthdays of the victims, and agree not to debate various theories on all those days?
Or, we find out the birthdays of all the family members and friends of the victims, and abstain from giving attention to the 9/11 Truth Industry's products on those days?
Now that would be respect.

[BeFree]

12. Peaceful disagreement

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9102686

Kick for Peace?

[SecularMotion]

14. Your behavior here is an insult to those who died on 9/11

Your relentless defense of the Bush administration story of 9/11, the 9/11 commission report and NIST "investigations" are a dishonor to the memory of those who perished that day.

[SDuderstadt]

15. Show me where...

I have "defended the Bush administration", dude. Please be specific.

Take your time.

[SecularMotion]

16. Read it again Dude, slowly

"defense of the Bush administration story of 9/11"

[SDuderstadt]

17. Same thing...

show me where I have "defended the Bush administration 'story' of 9/11". Be specific. Take your time.

[chimpymustgo]

18. It seems to be a full-time job for you. Defending those fucking liars' story about 9/11.

[SDuderstadt]

21. You can take the same challenge...

show me where anything I "defend" is from Bush or Cheney.

If you'd bother to research my posts rather than "shoot first, ask questions later", you'd discover that I have repeatedly called for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of Bush and Cheney.

This is a favorite ploy of the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd. Twist my words to accuse me of defending the Bush administration story of 9/11, rather than merely rejecting the goofy, unproven bullshit of the "9/11 was an inside job" brigade.

[IScreamSundays]

27. A full time job indeed...

The OP should have stated something along the lines of: 9-11 Forum Gatekeepers, Check In....

[SDuderstadt]

28. It's amazing to me that...

most, not all, "truthers" seem incapable of admitting that it's possible that someone can hold an opposing view from theirs based upon the facts.

[OnTheOtherHand]

29. it's really a perplexingly odd comment

Each of you has made over 10,000 posts since 2002. On the one hand, that's a lot of posts. On the other hand (TM), it's a few posts per day. How does that "seem() to be a full-time job"?

[SDuderstadt]

30. It's also a smear as...

I have never "defended those fucking liars", despite the poster's attempts to make it look as though I have.

[OnTheOtherHand]

41. we've seen these moves before

The response would be, oh no, the poster didn't say that you defended the liars, only that you defended the liars' story. It doesn't even matter whether you got the story from them, or whether you just happen to be defending a story that happens to be the same as their story. And, oh no, the poster didn't say that you were paid to post here, only that it seems like a full time job for you.

I think this sort of thing is intended not as a smear, but as an unmasking. I imagine that some of the people who post here believe that the rules are stacked against them, yet they are doing everything in their power to reveal the truth about 9/11 and the perfidy of their opponents. Under those circumstances, it sucks to be you, but it also sucks to be them. It all just kind of sucks.

[SDuderstadt]

43. I think it sucks more to....

be them.

[SecularMotion]

19. If you don't defend the Bush administration story of 9/11

please tell us why you don't believe the story.

[SDuderstadt]

20. You're the one who made the claim, dude...

Do you have evidence of it or not?

Assuming that what we know about the events of that day could only come from the Bush administration is rather silly.

[Twist_U_Up]

50. yep

[SDuderstadt]

51. Thanks for the drive-by, dude...

[DrSteveB]

22. Murder is just too big of a crime for us to shut up about it even one day

Even on the anniversary.

[SDuderstadt]

23. Are you one of those...

"9/11 was an inside job" dudes?

[deconstruct911]

24. jesus

you couldn't keep your own plea! Maybe if you treated people with respect people would take YOU seriously.

[BeFree]

25. Peace, what is it good for?

[SDuderstadt]

26. I see...

you believe I should honor a pledge that nearly every "truther" rejected? Are you serious?

Sorry, I'm not interested in unilateral disarmament.

[immune]

31. I think if somebody killed me

I'd be more interested in having somebody track down my murderer(s) than having people wearing crepe and weeping into their hankies once a year to prove their sensitivity by insisting that nobody should make somebody else uncomfortable by asking hard questions.

How about you? You would want us all to publicly cry a little on the anniversaries of your murder and let the guys who wasted you to walk free? That would honor your life how?

[SDuderstadt]

32. Fucking unbelievable...

Simple question: do you deny that the planes were hijacked and the hijackers died along with passengers??

[immune]

33. I cannot factually deny nor confirm any part of that question.

Nor can you.

No accused hijacker was listed on any of the original manifests for these flights, nor were photographs captured by surveillance cameras of any of them boarding the airliners on that day. I can't just put them there with wishes or exhortations, but apparently you can, so I bow to your superior magical abilities.

[SDuderstadt]

34. Dude...

the initial lists released by the airlines were not "manifests", they were lists of the victims. Do you honestly believe they would include the names of the hijackers (murderers) on a list of the victims??
As I stated previously, your biggest problem appears to be your poor "research skills".

[immune]

35. I hope you would agree

that foreignpolicyjournal probably has more sophisticated research skills than either you or I. And they don't have a definitive answer to the question either.

9/11 Hijackers Not on Flight Manifests? | FPJ
Variations of the claim that no Arab names appeared on the flight manifests (my emphasis) for the planes hijacked on 9/11 persist to this day.
www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/04/05/​911-hijackers... - Cached

You never did say how you'd like us to proceed if you ever became a murder victim.

[whatchamacallit]

36. Hmm...

So, when they released the "victim lists" did they know who the hijackers were already? I'm asking cuz I don't know.

[immune]

37. I don't have a clue.

But should that make any difference anyway unless they were planning to embellish the lists in some way?

[whatchamacallit]

38. Well that's why I'm asking

If they didn't already know who did it, they wouldn't know to remove the arab names.

[immune]

39. Good point.

As I've said before, I have no answers, only questions.

It would be hard for anybody looking, even casually, at all the anomalies of that day to NOT say something was pretty hinky about the whole deal and I just can't credit Bin Laden with having the resources he'd need to throw so many wrenches into the investigation ... if you could call it that.

[SDuderstadt]

40. Dude...

how do you THINK they initially identified the hijackers? Do you think they simply looked for "arab-sounding names"?

Or, do you think the flight personnel matched them up from where they were seated to the seating chart?

Duh.

[immune]

42. Well its been nine years and most of my research material has been scrubbed from the web

but I do recall hearing something about them being identified based on evidence left in their car in the airport parking lot. Oh, and of course Atta's fire proof passport found in the street shortly afterwards by some sharp eyed slooooth.

Also there seems to have been some mix-ups regarding the alleged seating arrangements ....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1556096.stm
BBC- The last moments of Flight 11
The FBI has named five hijackers on board Flight 11, whereas Ms Sweeney spotted only four. Also, the seat numbers she gave were different from those registered in the hijackers' names.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But that's the problem with making **it up as you go.

[SDuderstadt]

44. "most of my research material has been scrubbed from the web"

Well don't worry...I'm certain more conspiracy theory bullshit websites will spring up in their place.

[immune]

45. You never acknowledge or respond to facts, do you?

You just spew. Why is that, I wonder.

[SDuderstadt]

46. "As I've said before, I have no answers, only questions"

Your own words, dude.

After that, I haven't exactly been looking for facts from you. The fact that you think Atta's passport surviving the crash is remarkable, belies your ignorance of how crashes occur. Have you ever looked at a crash site and seen all the paper strewn about?

http://www.911myths.com/html/passport_recovered.html

[immune]

47. How crashes occur ...

What on earth does that have to do with who was ON that plane, and how could it be that only that ONE passport was "saved" from the inferno at this particular crash site and found so miraculously? Hell, even the concrete and steel dissolved into ash and dust.

[SDuderstadt]

48. I'm not replying to your faith-based nonsense any more...

first of all, the concrete and steel did not dissolve into ash and dust, as anyone who looks at pictures of the debris can quickly tell. Secondly, Atta's passport had just as much chance as anyone else's of being blown clear of the crash.

Look up the logical fallacy known as "found significance".

[immune]

49. Found significance sounds damned faith based to me, lol.

As does the coincidence of Atta's passport surviving the crash and explosion of the craft he was in when nothing else did. That darned thing just popped right out of his pocket and blew safely to the ground for the investigators to find. Now that's ILlogical fantasy from the word go.