Fire Chief Orio Palmer . . .

[defendandprotect]

Seconds after Chief Palmer's final radio transmission the 1,362 foot (1,320 feet = 1/4 mile) World Trade Center Tower Two suddenly and literally implodes to the ground in 10 seconds. According to the official U.S. government explanation, at that moment there should have been massive structural failings at that section of the building. Therefore, according to the official version, the firefighters should have been rushing panic-struck to evacuate anyone that they could and as rapidly as they could, including themselves. Yet they are not doing so. What they are doing at that moment, in reality, is calmly and professionally preparing to move up to floor 79 to rescue more people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel#Thermal_properties>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_st...rmal_properties
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/September_11th_FDNY_Radio_Transcripts>http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/September_11...dio_Transcripts

This is information by a member originally posted at the forum at 9/11.org

[greyl]

1. 2 water lines needed for those 2 particular fires he was dealing with. nt

[defendandprotect]

4. Right . . . the Chief is reporting, but ignoring major fires . . . !!!

[Bolo Boffin]

6. One floor. The lowest impact floor. One floor. n/t

[defendandprotect]

9. From what . . . kerosene that burned off in 10 minutes . . . magic kerosene???

[Bolo Boffin]

11. The WTC was an office building. Office buildings are filled with flammable substances. n/t

[defendandprotect]

13. True . . .which could never reach temperatures required to bring down the towers .. .

and, let's be clear . . . confined to upper floors!

What would have brought down the whole building below the fires . . .

let's see . . . some more magic kerosene . . . some more magic "filing cabinets" . . . ??

As you might note, the fire evidently wasn't hot enough to burn PAPER . . . !!!!

Interesting that the streets were littered with paper -- quite an unusual fire!!

[hack89]

14. What temperature does it take to weaken steel?

the building below the fires had a 30 story building dropped on top of it - it's that pesky KE thing again.

[defendandprotect]

15. Well, these days it only takes an aluminum plane -- !!!

Which supposedly not only sliced steel like butter but then proceeded ---------------

---------------------------------------------------- thru the building to the center

core of steel girders grouped together and guess what . . . ?

Knocked them out as well!!!

And the building just happened to have been wired with explosives -- at the least!

These were really magic aluminum planes -- the second one managed to do all that and

still to poke its nose out the other side of the building!!!

We have to start building armored cars of aluminum !!!

[greyl]

18. What a dense collection of fallacies.

Changing the subject, error of fact, argument from laziness, straw man, begging the question.

And of course, no evidence to speak of.

[Ohio Joe]

2. A little more information

First, the third link is incorrect, I believe this is what you meant to link to:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/September_11th_FDNY_Radio_Transcripts

You claim the building collapsed "seconds" after Chief Palmer's final transmission, in reality it was more like two minutes. You then go on to say:

"According to the official U.S. government explanation, at that moment there should have been massive structural failings at that section of the building. Therefore, according to the official version, the firefighters should have been rushing panic-struck to evacuate anyone that they could and as rapidly as they could, including themselves. Yet they are not doing so. What they are doing at that moment, in reality, is calmly and professionally preparing to move up to floor 79 to rescue more people."

Because the tower would collapse completely a few minutes later, there is no reason they should have known that at that moment in time. You tried to pass off these final communications as being seconds before the complete collapse when they were not. No one knows what they saw or did seconds before the complete collapse. You also say that they were not trying to evacuate anyone... There were no survivors where they were, only bodies, see the picture you posted.

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[Ohio Joe]

7. No, I read it

But if you want to post crap that is incomplete and has false and misleading information without stating that it has such, I take it as an explicit endorsement of said information. Your the one spreading false and misleading information, perhaps you should not do so if you don't want to be called out on it.

[defendandprotect]

10. No . . . you misread it --

It is an opinion which you are disagreeing with --

and in one case that the articles states "seconds" and you are pointing out that
it took "TWO MINUTES" . . . !!!

Of course, that's the genuine search for truth we're all looking for!!

:rofl: :rofl:


Again -- try rereading what I'm saying this time -- I didn't LINK to anything --
I didn't develop the thread.

Nor is the "YOU" you're referring to here me . . .
As you well know --

You claim the building collapsed "seconds" after Chief Palmer's final transmission, in reality it was more like two minutes. You then go on to say:

"According to the official U.S. government explanation, at that moment there should have been massive structural failings at that section of the building. Therefore, according to the official version, the firefighters should have been rushing panic-struck to evacuate anyone that they could and as rapidly as they could, including themselves. Yet they are not doing so. What they are doing at that moment, in reality, is calmly and professionally preparing to move up to floor 79 to rescue more people."

However, I do agree that there was tremendous betrayal of the firefighters who were in the building.
Little did they expect that it was at the least wired to explode!


Because the tower would collapse completely a few minutes later, there is no reason they should have known that at that moment in time. You tried to pass off these final communications as being seconds before the complete collapse when they were not. No one knows what they saw or did seconds before the complete collapse. You also say that they were not trying to evacuate anyone... There were no survivors where they were, only bodies, see the picture you posted.

Ah, but not "a few minutes" later . . . by your own words it was "more like two minutes later" --!!!
After all, now that you've made that valuable info available, why ignore it?

The reason the firefighters didn't "know" is because they were being betrayed.

And, again, it is not my research - it is simply an interesting article --
for any to express their OPINION on . . .

However, since the question of honesty is to be considered, it is long past time to move you
onto "ignore."

You're not a harmless naysayer, you are a disingenuous poster . . .

Bye --

[Ohio Joe]

12. yeah yeah yeah, on ignore again

How many times is that? At least three by my count.

I don't know if you did not bother to do the five minutes of research it took to figure out it was false or you did and posted it anyway but it is still wrong. If you are going to continue to post incorrect information, expect it to continue to be pointed out.

[spooked911]

3. I would say that the building didn't "literally implode"

It massively EXPLODED.

[defendandprotect]

8. Steel turned to dust by kerosene -- aluminum defeating steel . . .!!!

The magic plane!!

[lovepg]

19. Say was Arlen Specter on the 911 commission as well? Magic planes indeed.

And the plane that hit the south tower and had half of it fly out the side of the south tower actually took out MORE core columns
than the plane that hit the north tower full on according to the NIST report. Half the plane MORE damage.
Now thats some magic plane huh?

[SDuderstadt]

16. I'd like to go on record and say that...

this OP is disgusting in the way it mischaracterizes what Palmer was talking about and is disrespectful to the memory of this brave first responder who gave his life on 9/11. Despicable.

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[lovepg]

21. Id like to go on record saying its despicable to chacterize talking about an aspect of this event..

As despicable. I could say the attempt to control subjects discussed on this forum by hiding behind reverential concern for one of its victims is despicable.
I could say the attempt to portray your view of events as being more correct because of your CONCERN is despicable.
But i won't. Why bother?

[jberryhill]

17. Does His Family Agree With You?

If not, then stop playing games with someone's corpse.