9/11 phone calls to feature in C4 doc

[Ohio Joe]

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a169493/911-phone-calls-to-feature-in-c4-doc.html

This is going to be airing in the UK in Sept (don't know if anyone here lives in the UK) though I would assume that at some point it will be available in the US... Cable, DVD, something.

[jakeXT]

1. People dying while on the phone, you'll need a good stomach for that

[BuddyBoy]

2. Can't help but wonder how many of the victims' families

know that the government's story of what caused the buildings to collapse is a lie.

[greyl]

3. If there were evidence of that, they all would.

(Except for the usual small group of morons - like the Birthers)

[Ohio Joe]

4. Even funnier...

buddyboy is a no planer.

[BuddyBoy]

5. There IS probably evidence, but it isn't publicly available

Whenever they received death benefits for the loss of their loved ones, they signed secrecy agreements which secured their
silence. I doubt the Gov't had much trouble getting their cooperation whenever they dangled money in front of them!

Wouldn't you like to know the contents of those secrecy agreements? Think maybe if it weren't for those, some of the
beneficiaries of the government's heartfelt sympathy money would surely have some things to say that would rattle your cage.

[greyl]

6. "is probably evidence, but it isn't publicly available"

That leaves your beliefs out in the cold. You've made it clear that your claims do not originate from evidence. Therefore, your claims should be disregarded and/or ridiculed.

[BuddyBoy]

7. It isn't a belief. It's a logical assumption.

Your beliefs are based on what? The fairy tale told by an idiot, full of BS and fury, signifying WAR WAR, not Jaw Jaw? You probably
don't support much of what Bush said or did while he was President, but if you base your 9/11 beliefs on what he said, that alone
makes them worthy of being ridiculed from here to Dallas.

[greyl]

9. Wrong. It's illogical speculation that contradicts the evidence. nt

[BuddyBoy]

10. What's illogical is that you should and probably or most certainly

DO know exactly what I'm talking about. Your responses come across as though you KNOW you're posting BS.

[Ohio Joe]

8. That is the single shittiest thing I've ever seen on this board

I don't suppose you have a single shred of evidence to support that accusation? Of course not, your just spouting bullshit.

[BuddyBoy]

12. jakeXT's post #11 --- did you know about all that?

BTW, Ohio Joe, the contraction for "you are" is you're, not your. I thought you might like to know that. Using words correctly
will make you seem even smarter than you already are.

[jberryhill]

13. It illustrates how socially unconnected some of these folks are....

Yeah, sure, go ahead and kill my wife, my kids, my dad, whatever... as long as you give me a lot of money, I'll keep quiet.

It tells you something about the kind of people who spin these tales.

[Ohio Joe]

14. Yes...

I would love to take any of these people back home and introduce them to some of the families and see if they have the balls to still say this shit. I'm betting they would not. I've heard that in SE Texas they call people like this chickenshits.

[jakeXT]

11. At least one was called with the news of explosives going off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rukxI_GLc3w

[BuddyBoy]

15. Did Ted Olson have a real phone conversation w/Barbara?

From what I've read, it seems doubtful that he actually had a live TWO-WAY conversation with her via telephone.

Consider:

* He didn't try to call her at any point and has never said that he tried to call her cell phone. If he HAD called or tried to, there would be a record of his attempts. He's too clever to release records which would prove whether or not he attempted to call her
and whether or not he actually received calls from her, how long they lasted, at what times, from what telephone number etc.

* In his accounts of the alleged two-way conversation, it's odd that they don't include phrases such as "I TOLD her thus and so, and she replied __, ___" etc. He told interviewers things like "I tried to get in touch with the AG" and so on.

* He didn't have anyone try to make contact with the aircraft. He could have had someone radio to the plane and tell them ANYTHING
in order to try and prevent further harm to Mrs. Olson. Time was of the essence but he didn't even make an attempt.

Ted Olson is a very able lawyer. He may have told outright lies about those alleged calls, but I personally do not believe that he
would risk his reputation and his career future by outright lying about what really happened. It wasn't necessary. Mrs. Olson
was gone and he had nothing to gain by taking the unnecessary risk of lies that could possibly be later exposed thru e.g. court-ordered release of telephonic records.

[Bolo Boffin]

16. How about Renee May with her family? n/t

[BuddyBoy]

17. What about Renee May? n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

18. Did she have a real conversation from Flight 77 with her family? n/t

[BuddyBoy]

20. No, certainly not on 9/11.

FL 77 was a non-existent flight on 9/11.

WikiScanner discovered that American Airlines changed their Wikipedia entry to state that Flights 11 and 77 never flew on 9/11.

Original entry was:

Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: American Airlines Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and American Airlines Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).

New entry is:

Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.

* Six Degrees of Aaron's diary :: ::
*

A Google search of the IP address that made the change - 144.9.8.21 - is located at American Airlines.

ttp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/25/92620/6237

The original BTS database showed that Flights 11 and 77 were not listed at all, and even now don't show actual take off times and tail numbers, like they do for 175 and 93.

[Bolo Boffin]

21. Ah. What motivation does her family have for lying about this, then? n/t

[BuddyBoy]

22. Interesting question.

I couldn't and won't even speculate since I don't know enough facts about the circumstances surrounding the alleged conversation.
Are there phone records? I believe there's a transcript of some kind that was introduced at the Moussaui trial. Is there an audio
recording? If so, is it alleged to be a complete recording?

My main concern was Ted Olson, not Renee.

[Bolo Boffin]

24. Your main concern is that you disprove Flight 77 existed.

And Renee May's call to her family from the doomed aircraft denies any such idea.

[BuddyBoy]

26. Two questions about Renee

1. What evidence do you have in support of your belief that she had a live two-way conversation with her family while aboard
FL77? Independently verifiable evidence such as complete phone records etc.

2. If Ted Olson didn't have a live two-way conversation with Mrs. Olson from FL 77, it doesn't matter what you or I think about
Renee's situation, does it?

The evidence from the link I provided from American Airlines proves that FL 77 was a non-existent flight on 9/11. Additional evidence
from the BTS also proves that FL 77 was a non-existent flight on 9/11.

Case closed.

[SDuderstadt]

27. Bullshit....

As I stated before, the BTS isn't a schedule. It's an on-time performance database. Why you would expect data to be reported for a flight that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon defies Logic.

Let me make sure I get this straight. The "source" for the other part of your rather stupid claim that AA 77 didn't fly that day is someone posting at DailyKos? Dude.

[Bolo Boffin]

29. Watching you double down on vile nonsense is remarkably instructive.

1. Renee May called her parents in Las Vegas at 9:11, told them her plane, Flight 77, was being hijacked, and gave them three numbers to call and report the hijacking to American Airlines. Before Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, the Mays were able to get through to AA and report the hijacking.

2. I don't see how Ted Olson's conversation with Barbara would falsify the May evidence at all.

On this issue, you are factually incorrect to the point of being loathsome.

[BuddyBoy]

30. Your responses

I asked what evidence supports your claim that RM had a live two-way conversation w/her parents from FL 77. You didn't give any.

Do you understand that if the alleged two-way calls (T.O. to B.O. & R. to family) can't be substantiated, and if even AA says
FL 77 was non-existent on 9/11, the Official version of 9/11 isn't sustainable and it calls into question whether the entire
story given by the Bush administration is a lie?

[SDuderstadt]

31. It's beyond stupid to claim that AA states that...

flight 77 didn't exist.

[BuddyBoy]

32. Tell that to AA. They said no FL77 on 9/11. See post #20. n/t

[SDuderstadt]

33. Bullshit, dude...

I'll spell this out one more time. It's not in their Wikipedia entry which you can see for yourself. AA has never ever made any such statement that AA77 did not exist on 9/11 and, for the last fucking time, the BTS is a database of ontime performance statistics designed to inform travelers as to reliability of airlines. It is NOT a schedule and why in the fuck you would think they would post ontime departure and ARRIVAL info for a plane that was hijacked and tragically crashed into the Pentagon defies Logic.

Trying to reason with you is like trying to reason with a robot that has been preprogrammed with CT website nonsense. This is why you've become an inside joke here, dude. Furthermore, your increasing rhetoric that families of victims are part of a cover-up is offensive, vile and reprehensible, not that it would make much difference to people of low character like yourself.

[BuddyBoy]

34. Once more, tell that to AA. This time, see what THEY said.

WikiScanner discovered that American Airlines changed their Wikipedia entry to state that Flights 11 and 77 never flew on 9/11.

Original entry was:

Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: American Airlines Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and American Airlines Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).

New entry is:

Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/ ) do not list either flight that day.

* Six Degrees of Aaron's diary :: ::
*

A Google search of the IP address that made the change - 144.9.8.21 - is located at American Airlines.

ttp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/25/92620/6237

The original BTS database showed that Flights 11 and 77 were not listed at all, and even now don't show actual take off times and tail numbers, like they do for 175 and 93.



If you have some reason to think AA lied, contact THEM. Tell them about your concern and the problems they're causing you.

[SDuderstadt]

35. Dude...your stupid claim is disproven by the Wikipedia entry itself...

have you checked it lately? It doesn't say what you claim it does.

September 11, 2001 attacks: Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed: American Airlines Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) was intentionally crashed into the Pentagon and American Airlines Flight 11 (a Boeing 767) was intentionally crashed into the North tower of the World Trade Center.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_accidents_and_incidents

This is just more of your unabashed bullshit and yet one more reason why you've become an inside joke here, dude.

[Ohio Joe]

36. Notice also, he goes back to the bullshit about the BTS database...

being a schedule when it is not. buddyboy is willfully ignoring the truth and instead still trying to peddle his bullshit even when it is proven such.

[SDuderstadt]

38. You've got his number...

apparently everyone does except for BuddyBoy himself. That's precisely why he's become an inside joke here.

[BuddyBoy]

40. BTS database

The original BTS database showed that Flights 11 and 77 were not listed at all, and even now don't show actual take off times and tail numbers, like they do for 175 and 93.

It's just more evidence that FL 77 was a non-existent flight on 9/11. FLIGHT SCHEDULES, by definition, can't show take off times and
they don't include tail numbers.

You must be confused. I hope this helps clear it up for you.

[Ohio Joe]

42. No matter how many times you call it a schedule... it won't make it one

What part of that do you not understand? It really is very simple, see the first sentence of their "About Us" page here:

http://www.bts.gov/about/

"The Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) was established as a statistical agency in 1992."

It is not a schedule.

[SDuderstadt]

44. You just made my point....

it's not a schedule. All you've proven is that AA didn't think it necessary to provide performance data for a flight that was hijacked and tragically crashed into the Pentagon. Why this is so hard for you to understand defies Logic.

[BuddyBoy]

37. AA said that FL 77 was not a scheduled flight on 9/11

The information that you quoted is in a wikipedia article about AA ACCIDENTS.

The information I quoted IS from AA and the ISP address was verified. What's the basis for you calling AA liars? If you believe
they are liars, tell it to THEM. THEY published the information. I just quoted it.

FL 77 was a non-existent flight on 9/11 and the alleged phone calls made from it on that date have not been substantiated by
independently verifiable evidence. If any calls were made from FL 77, they could not have been made on the morning of 9/11.

[SDuderstadt]

39. Dude...I linked you to the exact same site...

and it says nothing like what you claim. It's interesting how you're now trying to twist this into me calling AA liars. Do you honestly think AA would make such a statement to begin with, especially when victims' families were considering what action to take? You've been duped and, from the looks of it, repeatedly, dude.

[BuddyBoy]

41. No, you linked to an article about AA ACCIDENTS. n/t

n/t

[SDuderstadt]

45. Which is a subarticle of the overall Wikepedia article on AA...

in which you claim AA admits that AA 77 didn't fly that day. I just proved your claim is unadulterated bullshit. This is why you've become an inside joke here.

[Realityhack]

43. You might want to let AA know that they said flight 77 did not fly on 9-11

I think they would be surprised to hear they had allegedly said that.

[BuddyBoy]

46. Ted, Renee, AA, and the OCT

Did B. Olson & Ted Olson have a live two-way telephone conversation from aboard AA FL77 on 9/11? There's no credible evidence to substantiate that they did.

Did Renee May have a live two-way telephone conversation with her parents from aboard AA FL77 on 9/11? There's no credible evidence
to substantiate it.

Was AA FL77 a non-existent flight on 9/11? According to AA, FL77 wasn't a scheduled flight on that date.

The original BTS database showed that Flights 11 and 77 were not listed at all, and even now don't show actual take off times and tail numbers, like they do for 175 and 93.

Why doesn't the BTS database show actual take off times and tail numbers for FL77? Because there WASN'T a takeoff.

Given the above, the OCT cannot possibly be true.

[Ohio Joe]

48. As I said, repeating it will not make it true

See post 42 for proof.

Why do you keep repeating the same thing even after it is proven to be false? Is it that important for you to smear the dead of 9/11 that you keep doing it?

I don't get it. You make about the most extremely disgusting claim I can think of regarding 9/11 and you offer no proof... no sources... no nothing. Then, to make it even worse, as your disgusting claims are shown to be false, you simply keep repeating the same bullshit.

It reminds me of the birthers. The same exact patern... bullshit claims, proof put in front of them, ignore proof and continue to make same bullshit claim. With the birthers, it is clear for me to see they are racists. You though... I think I could make a few guesses why you do it but... perhaps it is best if I keep those to myself. I think people can make their own judgments easily enough.

[SDuderstadt]

49. The best thing about BuddyBoy is his...

username. Where I'm from it's considered to ba a flip, dismissive term and almost an insult. The beauty is that since he chose the name, we can "diss" him legally. Only im America (and on DU).

[Bolo Boffin]

47. I gave you the facts: Renee called her parents, who then called AA about hijack before 77 crashed

That's the evidence that you're handwaving away. The actual word of Renee's mother and father.

Why are Renee's parents lying, BuddyBoy?

[BuddyBoy]

50. Bolo Boffin et al.

Thanks for your input. It's clear that you have strong opinions about your position, but I disagree with your position.
So far, nothing that you've said undermines what I've put forward. However, if you have any additional reasons that you
would like for me to consider, I'll certainly do so and consider them respectfully.

[Bolo Boffin]

51. Yes, Renee May's family's word undermines what you have put forward. n/t

[Ohio Joe]

52. I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Respect?

Willfully repeating things proven to be false with what appears to be the sole intention of smearing the dead is not respect.

Making bullshit claims without offering any proof with what appears to be the sole intention of smearing the dead is not respect.

Accusing mothers of killing their children for money while offering no proof is not respect.

Accusing the families of 9/11 victims of being liars without offering any proof in not respect.

I wonder what your native language is that you misunderstand that word so badly? It is clear though, that you have no idea what the word means.

[SDuderstadt]

53. "I'll certainly do so and consider them respectfully."

If you were going to be respectful, you'd have some consideration for the families and quit accusing them essentially of lying. Your conduct in this regard shames DU and liberals everywhere, dude. That you don't care who you step on to prove your goofy claims speaks volumes about you.

[SDuderstadt]

25. Why in the fuck would there be an audio recording?

What a stupid fucking question.

[SDuderstadt]

23. Dude...the BTS isn't a schedule....

we've been through this a million fucking times.

[SDuderstadt]

28. There's something quite fishy going on here and I don't think it has a thing to do with AA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_accidents_and_incidents

Above is a link to the incidents and accidents section of AA's wikipedia entry. Funny, it doesn't read anything like what BuddyBoy or the poster at DailyKos claims it does. I think what we were witnessing is yet more dishonesty from the so-called "truth movement".

[Ohio Joe]

19. Wow... What a steaming pile of vile bullshit

"From what I've read, it seems doubtful that he actually had a live TWO-WAY conversation with her via telephone."

Maybe you should read a little more... or perhaps read better sources... or just maybe it is your comprehension that is lacking... hard to tell since you never give a source.

"He didn't try to call her at any point and has never said that he tried to call her cell phone. If he HAD called or tried to, there would be a record of his attempts. He's too clever to release records which would prove whether or not he attempted to call her
and whether or not he actually received calls from her, how long they lasted, at what times, from what telephone number etc."

He was called from an airphone. Ever get a call from an airphone buddyboy? Make one and then look at the bill? I'm guessing the answer is no.

"In his accounts of the alleged two-way conversation, it's odd that they don't include phrases such as "I TOLD her thus and so, and she replied __, ___" etc. He told interviewers things like "I tried to get in touch with the AG" and so on."

Really?

"We then both reassured one another this plane was still up in the air. This plane was still flying, and this was going to come out OK. I told her, "It's going to come out OK." She told me it was going to come out OK. She said, I love you. "

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/14/lkl.00.html

Looks like more buddyboy bullshit to me.

"He didn't have anyone try to make contact with the aircraft. He could have had someone radio to the plane and tell them ANYTHING in order to try and prevent further harm to Mrs. Olson. Time was of the essence but he didn't even make an attempt."

ummm... you are aware that the plane had been hijacked right? You want that someone should have radioed the plane and told them the passengers are making calls? Have you any idea how amazingly stupid that idea sounds? He did in fact call someone to alert them about the plane, the command center at the Department of Justice (see previous link):

"I had, after the first conversation, called our command center at the Department of Justice to alert them to the fact that there was another hijacked plane and that my wife was on it and that she was capable of communicating, even though this first phone call had been cut off."

Now... was that the best place to call... ehhh, probably not, I don't really know how the Department of Justice fits into the scheme of things but he did in fact call someone. I think I can understand not contacting the perfect person under the circumstances... you know, knowing your wife is about to die and all that.

You know buddyboy, if your going to put out something as despicable as this, you should at the very least try and get some of your facts right. It probably would not be so bad if I thought you might say "oh, you're right, my information was wrong" but I know you won't. You will continue making vile accusations about the families of the 9/11 victims... without any sources, without any facts and without any decency for them. Simply disgusting.