I bet the jet that was shot down on 9-11 was headed to WTC Bldg. #7...

[mopaul]

you remember world trade center building number 7 don't you? it's the THIRD world trade center building that mysteriously collapsed EXACTLY as the two giant twin towers did. much shorter building, NOT hit by a jet, yet it's the only other building that fell that day, as if by, (trash away), an implosion.

was the jet that was shot down in pennsylvania, shot down by military command, because they assumed it was headed for new york city like the other two? maybe those pilots weren't supposed to shoot it down, but let it proceed to the third world trade center building, building number 7.

many people find it impossible to believe that a jetliner hitting the upper floors of the towers could have brought them down the way they did. many people saw the collapse as a planned, explosives driven implosion, but are scoffed at.

AND how could ALL FOUR BLACK BOXES not be retrieved? these four are the only four black boxes never retrieved in airliner history, and FOUR IN ONE DAY NOT FOUND? what are the odds? just last week a report was published by some men who say they helped the f.b.i. RETRIEVE some of the black boxes at ground zero. the f.b.i. denies it of course.

but, why, how, did little squat world trade building number 7 fall into it's own self, exactly like the two giant towers? go figger.

mo the frothing wild eyed conspiracy nutball

[bryant69]

1. Gosh what insight

But wait, didn't the passengers on that plane bring it down?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[JohnyCanuck]

2. Links to video clips of WTC 7 collapse

Links to clips of WTC 7 Collapsing

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

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[mopaul]

5. yes...crazy....

we is all crazy on this bus

[tngledwebb]

15. And we're all bozos on this bus,

and let's not forget mama we all crazy now.
Hope we got enough tinfoil hats for the majority of the electorate.

[leesa]

6. Yes. BushCo was involved in 9-11. There is plenty of evidence

Far more evidence for that than OBLs. I don't know about WT7. All three buildings appeared to have been detonated and imploded and most people agree the fire was never hot enough to cause the neat little demolition. We need to ask Marvin Bush, who was in charge of security of the WTC exactly what he knows about it. Were charges set? Plently of BushCo access with him around.

[JNelson6563]

4. But we found that passport

in damn good condition too! It was a miracle I tell ya!

No black boxes but by golly a terrorist's passport was found!

And so what if that plane that crashed in Pennsylvania left wreckage four miles from crash site! That isn't important. What really matters is we got "Let's roll!" out of it!

Ugh.

Julie

[mopaul]

7. i never saw photos of that wreckage

boxcutters vs. airliners

[CaliVoter]

20. Debris field

Posted by JNelson6563: ... that plane that crashed in Pennsylvania left wreckage four miles from crash site!

They say that debris was found as far away as 8 miles, according to many sources, including this site, http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_secondary_debris_field.html, which states:

The Pennsylvania state police said debris from the crash has shown up about 8 miles away in a residential area where local media quoted some residents as seeing flaming debris from the sky.

[vincent_vega_lives]

24. The debris found 8 miles from the crash site

Were letters and papers. NOT plane wreckage.

[vincent_vega_lives]

23. The passport

would have been in the cockpit...wouldn't it? Well in front of the source of any explosion? The rubber tire of the nose wheel survived as well. (passport found in NYC btw)

In PA letters and mail were found in damn good condition too.

BTW black boxes were found in PA.

Are you mixing all the facts deliberatly or out of ignorance?

Ugh.

Vince

[classof56]

8. Was Bldg 7 the one that housed NYC emergency services center?

I seem to recall Giuliani ordered everyone to evacuate the center and all the other offices in one of the nearby WTC bldgs in time to get them out of harm's way. I could google this to verify, but if that is true, it does make one wonder about just why it collapsed similar to the Twin Towers. Very strange about those black boxes--I'm sure it has to do with "someone" wanting us to never know what really happened. And I have this feeling we never will...

Tired Old Cynic

[Old and In the Way]

27. I believe that WTC 7 was also the location for the federal prosecuter's

task force handling ongoing cases of corporate crimes...if true, makes me go hmmmmm.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

9. Nova had a really good show about the WTC collapse

They detailed exactly what caused the collapse - the structure of the buildings, the type of insulation used on the structural members, etc.

[mopaul]

10. yeah i saw that, and almost fell for it

[tngledwebb]

19. Saw it, believed it, seemed 'logical', then

researched it myself for several years.
Conclusion: Nova show total BS, experts can be bought, corporate media is not to be trusted. And all the frightening implications that follow.
Btw anyone ever see a Nova show about global warming?

[ShaneGR]

11. 1. No, it was head to DC 2. WTC 7 collapsed naturally

It followed a heading, from Cleveland, directly through Southwest Pennsylvania on a direct route to DC.

By collapsing naturally, I mean that the compression of the fall of the towers weakened #7 enough to bring it down also.

[tngledwebb]

14. The compression of the fall would appear to have

bypassed a few other more delicate structures.
Wtf is 'C of the F' anyway? Was that in the NIST report?

[malatesta1137]

12. Those black boxes

are in Karl Rove's locker in his gym. You'll also find the data for the REAL vote tallies that show Gore and Kerry victories in both 2000 and 2004.

[goclark]

17. Amen to all the posts

I wish that we just had a tin hat forum for all those of us that are willing to explore what others blindly accept to be the truth.


How many people would ever believe that there would be more massive voter fraud this time than last?!

Why, because they are blindly lead into thinking that no one would be so bold as to try it twice.

Well after this past election, everything is on the table for me. It's MIHOP for 911, the elections, deaths of Wellstone, Ron Brown, JFK and all the rest.

Poppy and the Bush Mob's fingers literally should be bloody from the WTC,Reagan attempted killing and on and on.

I had no idea that a Bush Brother was in charge of Security for the WTC!!!! Isn't it amazing that he would have that responsibility? That is so compelling when they are the family that will always "keep us safe."

God bless the tin foil hat folks!

Keep it going. We must never stop questioning our government's motives. And we should never stop trying to get to the Bush take over of our country.

Follow the money and follow the Bush Family.

[tngledwebb]

13. Sorry , first message deleted

It was meant to be satirical or ironic.

[Zynx]

16. Impossible angle of approach

You could hit WTC #7 with a plane - if it was in a city like Washington DC. New York, even with the two Twin Towers down, is impossible to line up that sort of approach. Probably also impossible to pick out the building.

Flying at low altitude at 500 MPH with a huge jet has some issues. You have to start aiming miles out.

[JHB]

18. Best indications are it was headed for DC...

...But WTC7 was tall enough to pick out from the surrounding buildings, and it was a spectacularly clear day, so they had those "miles out" with which to aim.

[Zynx]

21. WT7 is nothing like 1 and 2 in size.

If you are trying to smack a plane into a building, it helps if there is nothing else around it. The WTC, Empire and Chrysler buildings are the only ones in NYC tall enough for this with something the size of an airliner (which does not steer all that well).

And WTC 7 most certainly does not stick out above the NYC skyline

Old WTC Skyline



Sat of old WTC:



Sat of post-impact WTC buildings (minus 1, 2, and 7)



7 is the short black rhombus box of a building about 1 o'clock from North Tower.

[hangloose]

22. The CWT1, 2 and 7 were the only high rise buildings to fail as a

result of fire in the history of high rise construction. Go figure, goddamn sub par U.S. construction. Next time we need something built above ten floors I recommend we have the Japanese do it. You don't see any of their building falling down!!

They hold us in complete contempt. I seems killing a few thousand Americans is a justified way to gain support for your foreign policy aims. Well anyway in the NEW CENTURY it is.

Does anyone buy the Peter Pan (I can fly )story that a bunch of cave dwelling fanatics were able to trump (pardon the pun) the FAA and NORAD? Wake the Fuck up!

[vincent_vega_lives]

25. WTC was supposed to stand for two hours

during an uncontroled fire. It stood for less due to the damage done to the structure by the aircraft. WTC7 was left to burn unchecked.

Why should have the three buildings stood???

Well educated, trained, motivated, and financed "cave dwellers".

FAA? You mean the security personel at airports right? :eyes:

NORAD? So they were supposed to blast all four airliners out of the air right?

Go back to sleep.

[Zynx]

26. Hardly is very difficult to "trump FAA and NORAD"

There was no airport security to speak of prior to 9/11. They may or may not have smuggled box-cutters aboard, but they could legally have carried four-inch tactical knives, which are real weapons. Unlike box cutters, which are just about worthless in a fight. Cockpit security was also extremely lax.

As far as NORAD, NORAD is designed to contend with foreign missile/airstrike attack. Something like this is both unexpected, and gets well inside their decision making cycle. People tend to forget how bloody fast airliners actually are. It's quite difficult, even assuming perfect information, to scramble fighters in time to intercept something moving at five hundred miles an hour.

Given what they were hit by, the WTC buildings exceeded their design parameters. The planes that hit them were bigger and faster than what they were meant to withstand and remain upright.

And regarding the collapse: If you look at the Twin Tower design, there is no other way for them to fall other than straight down. A lot of thought went into that, given how much damage a horizontal fall of something that size would do.

[vincent_vega_lives]

28. Annother voice of reason

Pick up your check yet from Rove?* ;)

Got a bonus this month!










* Inside joke. Anyone here going against the CT's is considered to be a paid dis-informant for the Bush administration.