Rumsfeld

[BeFree]

The more I think about it, the more apparent it becomes that Rumsfeld was the mastermind behind 9/11.

He was in place at the pentagon and his hands were all over the command and control structure that made the action possible.

[captainjack08]

1. Don't forget Cheney...

How can Cheney not be a mastermind with that scowl of his?

[Ghost in the Machine]

2. Cheney & Rumsfeld were co-conspirators from way back in the 70's:

But Nixon left amid scandal and Ford came in, and Ford's Secretary of Defense (Donald Rumsfeld) and Chief of Staff (Dick Cheney) believed it was intolerable that Americans might no longer be bound by fear. Without fear, how could Americans be manipulated? And how could billions of dollars taken as taxes from average working people be transferred to the companies that Rumsfeld and Cheney - and their cronies - would soon work for and/or run?

Rumsfeld and Cheney began a concerted effort - first secretly and then openly - to undermine Nixon's treaty for peace and to rebuild the state of fear.

They did it by claiming that the Soviets had a new secret weapon of mass destruction that the president didn't know about, that the CIA didn't know about, that nobody knew about but them. It was a nuclear submarine technology that was undetectable by current American technology. And, they said, because of this and related-undetectable-technology weapons, the US must redirect billions of dollars away from domestic programs and instead give the money to defense contractors for whom these two men would one day work or have businesses relationships with.

The CIA strongly disagreed, calling Rumsfeld's position a "complete fiction" and pointing out that the Soviet Union was disintegrating from within, could barely afford to feed their own people, and would collapse within a decade or two if simply left alone.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0213-28.htm

Cheney's political career began in 1969, as an intern for Congressman William A. Steiger during the Richard Nixon Administration. He then joined the staff of Donald Rumsfeld, who was then Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity from 1969–70.<12> He held several positions in the years that followed: White House Staff Assistant in 1971, Assistant Director of the Cost of Living Council from 1971–73, and Deputy Assistant to the president from 1974–1975. It was in this position that Cheney suggested in a memo to Rumsfeld that the Ford White House should use the Justice Department in a variety of legally questionable ways to exact retribution for an article published by The New York Times investigative reporter Seymour Hersh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney#Early_White_House_appointments

[captainjack08]

3. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Hersh,Assassinations, CIA abuses, Failed Wars, Swine Flu

History repeating itself... the question is WHY?

Jan 8, 1975 : Ford appoints Rockefeller to look into CIA domestic abuses

Feb 13, 1975 : Fire Breaks out in World Trade Center

April 30, 1975 : End of U.S. Presence in Vietnam. last U.S. Marine Combat Unit leaves Vietnam

April to May 1975 : Rumsfeld and Cheney bored out of their mind because no wars to send other people to fight and die in

May 25, 1975 : Seymour Hersh story on U.S. provocations in Russian waters

May 28, 1975: Cheney and Rumsfeld start thinking up ways to get Hersh to shutup

May 30, 1975 : Rumsfeld in Belgium on NATO business sends Cheney a cable to sic the FBI on Hersh

Sep 5, 1975 : Gerald Ford Survives Assassination attempt by Manson follower in Sacramento

Sep 9,1975 : Soon to be Swine Flu victims start arriving at Fort Dix military base

Sept 22, 1975 : Ford survives another assassination attempt in San Francisco

Nov 4, 1975 : Cheney and Rumsfeld get their grubby mits on the reins of power

1976 : Gerald Ford orders mandatory inoculations for swine flu feargasm

http://www.mcall.com/features/chi-hershbar1,0,4021754.story

[LARED]

4. Unassailable logic

Rumsfeld was the Defense Secretary on 9/11. He probably spends lots time at the Pentagon. I bet he even has an office there. :sarcasm:

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to how having "his hands were all over the command and control structure" made 9/11 happen with not one American coming forward to say hey the Defense Secretary did some really weird stuff that awful morning. Better yet perhaps you could explain how Rumsfeld bypassed existing protocols to make the action possible. Those military types get an awful lot of training about Chain of Command for good reason. It not like Rummy could have barked out some commands to "make it happen" without someone saying WTF.

[jakeXT]

5. I don't think this guy did much, he was more acting likePontius Pilate

DONALD RUMSFELD ON 9/11

As U.S. secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld was on 9/11 second in the military chain-of-command behind the president. Yet details of what he did during the attacks are sketchy and from what we currently know, he did nothing in response to the crisis until it was too late to make a difference.

According to Rumsfeld, on the morning of September 11 he was hosting a breakfast meeting at the Pentagon for some members of Congress. He told them that "sometime in the next two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve months there would be an event that would occur in the world that would be sufficiently shocking that it would remind people again how important it is to have a strong healthy defense department."11 Soon after, someone walked in and gave him a note saying a plane had hit the World Trade Center. Yet Rumsfeld apparently was not moved to take action. "e adjourned the meeting, and I went in to get my CIA briefing," he has said.12 Whilst in his office with the CIA briefer, Rumsfeld says he was told of the second plane hitting the WTC. Yet he went ahead with a meeting in his private dining room at the Pentagon with his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz and U.S. Representative Christopher Cox, to discuss how to win votes for Bush's defense plan.

During this meeting, Rumsfeld was apparently oblivious to the fact that an airplane was heading towards Washington. However, he made another prediction: "let me tell you, I've been around the block a few times," he told Representative Cox. "There will be another event." For emphasis, he repeated: "There will be another event."13 Just minutes later the Pentagon was hit. Rumsfeld says: "I went outside to determine what had happened. I was not there long because I was back in the Pentagon with a crisis action team shortly before or after 10:00 a.m. On my return from the crash site and before going to the executive support center, I had one or more calls in my office, one of which was with the president."14 Rumsfeld didn't enter the National Military Command Center within the Pentagon though until 10.30. Brigadier General Montague Winfield says: "For 30 minutes we couldn't find him. And just as we began to worry, he walked into the door of the National Military Command Center."15 As the 9/11 Commission conclude: "The Secretary of Defense did not enter the chain of command until the morning's key events were over."16 Nor is Rumsfeld on the record as having given any orders that morning.

Yet, according to military procedure, if the Federal Aviation Administration were to notify the National Military Command Center of a hijacking, with the exception of "immediate responses" the NMCC was required to "forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."17 Of course, 9/11 would easily come under the heading of "immediate responses." All the same, Rumsfeld has yet to be asked whether he was contacted in line with this military procedure and, if so, what did he do in response?

Interestingly, since 9/11 Donald Rumsfeld has made statements suggesting why he may have wanted an event like 9/11 to occur. For example, in a televised interview two years after the attacks, he described how he thinks about what a senior leader in the Gulf told him, that maybe 9/11 was "a blessing in disguise," and a "wake-up call" for the world to deal with the growing threat of terrorism. Rumsfeld said he agreed with this, that 9/11 was indeed a 'wake-up call.'18 He wrote a similar thing in his prepared testimony to the 9/11 Commission:

"Think about what has been done since the September 11th attacks: two state sponsors of terrorism have been removed from power, a 90-nation coalition has been formed which is cooperating on a number of levels… All of these actions are putting pressure on terrorist networks. Taken together, they represent a collective effort that is unprecedented -- which has undoubtedly saved lives, and made us safer than before September 11th.19

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http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050519154200725

[eomer]

6. Rumsfeld DID do some really weird stuff that awful morning.

So did Bush.

And what would you do if one American were to come forward reporting specifically weird stuff? You would not believe him and you would try every way possible to find an alternative explanation. Mineta came forward with such a report about Cheney. Did you believe him?

Also, your chain of command argument is a bit misleading, isn't it? That would apply to the traditional military. But the Defense Department includes services like the DIA and NSA that include covert operations. The structure of those covert operations would be designed with the express purpose of compartmentalizing and keeping secrets, wouldn't it? Plus, a large part of the operations are outsourced to contractors, the very parties who gained most from 911. While it is possible that a 911 plot might run across a person who would squeal, it is also possible that it would not and would rather only touch people who would agree with its purposes and want to keep it secret, especially if it were small and compartmentalized.

Finally, some of the weird stuff may well have had plausible deniability built in. For example, training exercises are routine and wouldn't raise suspicions. Intentionally making several of them coincide could be made to seem an innocent coincidence. And then leaking information about the timing and details could be easily accomplished with the involvement of as few as one person.

There are many possibilities when you start to speculate. I'm not claiming any one of them actually happened. But you are flat out wrong when you imply that all of them are impossible.

[Subdivisions]

12. What a stupid and goofy response! n/t

[SidDithers]

7. It wasn't Rumsfeld, it was Blofeld...

and SPECTRE is behind everything.



Sid

[eomer]

8. Somebody

The more I think about it, the more apparent it becomes that somebody who stood to benefit was the mastermind behind 9/11.

Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the military-industrial complex was looking at a disastrous era of peace. The events on 9/11/01 averted that disaster and completely reversed the situation, creating a massive windfall that will last decades and transfer trillions of dollars from American taxpayers to the bigwigs who control defense, surveillance, and security-oriented corporations. To think that none of these guys who are cashing in, many of whom already make their living "on the dark side" as their buddy Cheney says, had any part in initiating 9/11 or intentionally allowing 9/11 to happen is, to me, a ridiculous idea.

[able1]

9. Which goes a long way towards explaining why Bush is

still a beloved figure to most rich people. I guess to them, when it comes to 9/11, "The ends justify the means."

[jakeXT]

10. Looks more like a defend the status quo and expand strategy to me

Ruppert about Brzezinski (2001) : part 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6iWom6R5Io
Ruppert about Brzezinski (2001) : part 2 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZB__Yy_2qQ



If Asia's leaders give free rein to frustrations and crater the US bond market, they will ensure their own political destruction. Japan already risks descent into demographic death, deflation, and debt atrophy (its public debt is nearing 200pc of GDP). China's regime depends on perma-boom for post-Maoist legitimacy. Could it survive the wrath of jobless graduates and rural migrants if it provokes America into erecting trade barriers, killing the globalisation goose that lays the golden egg?

American can if necessary retreat into its vast home market and rebuild its industrial base, well-armed with 12 aircraft carrier battle groups.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/5339435/Asia-will-author-its-own-destruction-if-it-triggers-a-crisis-over-US-bonds.html

[Subdivisions]

11. Yes, and PNAC. Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Feith at DoD, Bush in FL for 2000 coup,

bush in White House, Cheney as Veep, Abrams as bush minder and NSC, Kristol as media mouth, and there's more but I digress.

[MinM]

13. 9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x15803

Rumsfeld Admits 2.3 Trillion Missing on 09/10/01
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x19821

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/09/remembering-september-10-2001.html

http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/06/flight-of-capital.html

Pentagon missing $2.3 trillion - Sept.10, 2001 - Rumsfeld
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=358&topic_id=3606&mesg_id=3610

Who did the Pentagon audit for the "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x92233