Why Did Bush Talk About "Operatives" Putting Explosives High in a Building?

[spooked911]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USnxe7hxP4I

Besides the fact that the logic doesn't make much sense, what is he talking about?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

1. which buildings could he be talking about?

[spooked911]

2. the context was KSM's "confession" to helping plan 9/11

so presumably he's talking about the WTC-- large buildings where people on the upper floors were unable to get out.

I put confession in quotes since anything he confessed to is completely unreliable due to his being tortured.

[BeFree]

4. Just imagine

Had they told the people to get out of those buildings the number of people that would not have been killed? Thousands.

[SDuderstadt]

5. Are you claiming they were not trying to evacuate the first tower that was hit?

N/T

[LARED]

6. How do you know he's not talking about

other plots scheduled to take place after 9/11?

[Bolo Boffin]

3. He's talking about what KSM told us

The plan sounds like, smuggle explosives into a tall building and explode them high enough so that the people trapped above could not escape. It sounds like they learned from 9/11 and were working to capitalize on it.

[spooked911]

10. I suppose that's what the CIA wanted us to think

but it doesn't really make sense-- trapping people-- unless they also were able to bring the whole bldg down a la 9/11. But if 9/11 was in fact really done by al qaeda, then what they would have learned is that airplane attacks are spectacularly effective and they should put all their effort into getting more hijacked planes. How on earth would they get and plant explosives, anyway?

[SDuderstadt]

11. for the love of mike, spooked...

think this through. why didn't they just '''hijack more planes''?? do you remember the security measures implemented after 9/11 pretty much across the board? i swear, you ask the goofiest questions. where would al qaeda have gotten explosives? are you fucking kidding?

[spooked911]

18. please read what i wrote again

thanks

[Ohio Joe]

7. Who knows

The douche bag has a problem speaking english (to put it mildly). Without a lot more context, for all I know he is ordering a burrito.

[tetedur]

8. The context of Bush's statement 9/15/06 in the Rose Garden

was the justification and legalization of torture. Colin Powell had just come out with a commentary against torture and Bush struck back.

He was calling for legislation to be passed, (Military Commissions Act and the Detainee Treatment Act), so KSM “the man our intelligence agencies believe helped orchestrate the 9/11 attacks” could “face justice.”

“The bill I have proposed will ensure that suspected terrorists will receive full and fair trials, without revealing to them our nation's sensitive intelligence secrets. As soon as Congress acts on this bill, the man our intelligence agencies believe helped orchestrate the 9/11 attacks can face justice.
The bill would also provide clear rules for our personnel involved in detaining and questioning captured terrorists. The information that the Central Intelligence Agency has obtained by questioning men like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has provided valuable information and has helped disrupt terrorist plots, including strikes within the United States.
For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping.
He gave us information that helped uncover al Qaeda cells' efforts to obtain biological weapons.
We've also learned information from the CIA program that has helped stop other plots, including attacks on the U.S. Marine base in East Africa, or American consulate in Pakistan, or Britain's Heathrow Airport. This program has been one of the most vital tools in our efforts to protect this country. It's been invaluable to our country, and it's invaluable to our allies.”

Is there any proof of KSM’s list confessions that “operatives” were going to plant bombs in “tall buildings?”
In a “Verbatim Transcript of Combatant Status Review Tribunal Hearing” KSM signed the confession that (He) was responsible for the planning, training, surveying and financing the New (or Second) Wave attacks against the following skyscrapers after 9/11:
a. Library Tower Ca.
b. Sears Tower Chicago
c. Plaza Bank Wash. (The bank not founded until 2006, 3 years after his capture)
d. Empire State Building NYC

This seems to be his only confession of plans for “tall buildings.”

From History Commons:
9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) attempts to organize a follow up attack to the 9/11 attacks. Beginning in October 2001, KSM and Hambali, a top al-Qaeda leader in Southeast Asia, recruit four operatives for the new plot, all of them Malaysian:
Mohamad Farik Amin (a.k.a. Zubair).
Mohammed Nazir Bin Lep (a.k.a. Lillie).
Zaini Zakaria.
Masran bin Arshad.
The plan is for these operatives to blow up the doors to airplane cockpits using shoe bombs, take over flying the aircraft, and then crash them into US buildings—essentially the same technique as was used in the 9/11 attacks, except with the addition of the shoe bomb and the use of East Asians instead of Middle Easterners. Apparently several buildings are initially targeted. KSM will later name them as the Library Tower in Los Angeles (later renamed the US Bank tower), the Sears Tower in Chicago, the Empire State Building in New York, and a tall building in Washington State. But the plot soon focuses on just the Library Tower, the tallest building on the West Coast of the US, due to a lack of pilots.

Bush used the vivid imagery of explosions of buildings and trapped people dying in high rises to cause fear. This helped him to justify torture. All the abuses of the Constitution were justified because of 9/11.

No doubt Bush’s statement is bizarre. It was on par with some other statements he made about 9/11. He screwed up the manner in which this “New Wave” was going to be carried out and stumbled while saying the words. Compare it to how he answered when asked how he learned of the attacks as they were happening.

What do psychologists call that?

[spooked911]

9. thanks-- very helpful

and yeah, Bush definitely was showing a psychological tic there

[BeFree]

12. Low point?

""He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping.""

Wouldn't you put bombs in at a LOW point in a building if your intent is to trap the largest number of people?

And why did they not tell people to evacuate the towers? In fact they told people it was safe and Ok to go back to work.

If your intent was to trap the largest number of people?

[SDuderstadt]

13. please show that anyone in the first tower to be struck...

was told to go back to work. your claim is ludicrous. i think you've got it mixed up with the second tower before it was struck.

[spooked911]

19. true, true

but logic was never a strong point for these people

[captainjack08]

14. Porter Goss also just recently made the same exact statement about explosives

"The suggestion that we are safer now because information about interrogation techniques is in the public domain conjures up images of unicorns and fairy dust. We have given our enemy invaluable information about the rules by which we operate. The terrorists captured by the CIA perfected the act of beheading innocents using dull knives. Khalid Sheik Mohammed boasted of the tactic of placing explosives high enough in a building to ensure that innocents trapped above would die if they tried to escape through windows. There is simply no comparison between our professionalism and their brutality."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/24/AR2009042403339.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Khalid is probably another agent provocateur just like most of the rest we've heard so much about. Bin Laden, Mohammad Atta, Melvin Lattimore, Andreas Strassmeier, Ali Mohammad, Edwin Angeles, Mubin Shaikh, Charles James Stewart, Abbas al Saidi, Elie Assad, Whitey Bulger.... thugs, drug pimps, mideast intel agents, and rapists hired and paid by the FBI to create American criminals they can pin with crimes after they get them to do something illegal or if that fails frame them for something.

So this is twice that buddies Bush and Goss have made this statement. I wouldn't be surpised if Goss is trying to say to some group that it is within his factions power to expose a bit more of the 9/11 lie if they chose to. Where have we been told Khalid has ever put bombs high up in buildings???

[captainjack08]

15. Another FBI informant thug just in news

Terror Pimp-Daddy/Convicted Con FBI informant
http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-04-30/news/craig-monteilh

"Although the FBI never responded to the latter claim, a week after Niazi’s arrest, Ropel testified in Niazi’s bail hearing that Monteilh had in fact provided the FBI with the tape recording. Ropel’s admission didn’t surprise the leadership of the Islamic Center of Irvine, of which Niazi had been a member. In June 2007, Niazi and another mosque member had reported Monteilh to the FBI, claiming that Monteilh was espousing terrorist rhetoric and trying to draw them into a plot to blow up shopping malls and abandoned buildings. When the FBI refused to investigate, the congregants suspected Monteilh might have been an agent provocateur; the Islamic Center sought and won a restraining order barring Monteilh from entering the mosque. (See Matt Coker’s “Talkin’ Jihad With Craig Monteilh,” March 5.)"

"The only confirmed cases of Orange County residents joining al-Qaeda involve Khalil Deek, a Palestinian exile, and Adam “Yahiye” Gadahn, a Jewish American teenager,both of whom fled to Pakistan before 9/11. Deek spent time in a Jordanian prison for his alleged role in a terrorist plot there but was freed months later. He has since disappeared and is believed to be dead. (See “So I Married a Terrorist . . .” April 20, 2007.) Gadahn, also known as Azzam the American, has appeared in several al-Qaeda videos and is rumored to be hiding out near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border."

So the only "terrorists" they could come up with was a Palestinian exile and a Jewish teen. I wonder if the Palestinian exile is like the Cuban exiles, and Iranian exiles and the Iraqi exiles and all the other exiles that want America's big guns to go shoot down their dictators? Makes you wonder? And both flee to Pakistan before 9/11 where all good terrorists go to get radicalized or at least go to provocateur someone else to get radicalized. :shrug:

"While at the prison, Monteilh claims, he ran with the PEN1 Death Squad, a white-supremacist prison gang. “If you are reasonably intelligent, you can learn their doctrine. ‘We must secure the existence of our race and the future of our white children.’ If you memorize that, along with certain key precepts, you’re pretty much in, and if you memorize all of it, you are leadership. That’s what I did.”

So a palestinian exile, a Jewish kid and a White Supremacist agent provocateur are the sum total of Orange County's known Muslim terror cells?

Definitely no conspiracy at all going on there, no siree. Nope. Uh-uh. Not a chance

[captainjack08]

16. Also note how many times "Twin Towers" occurs in that article

"One person who read the post was “Carla”—which is not her real name—a previous Monteilh victim. She had met Monteilh in February 2006 at Twin Towers Fitness in Irvine." p.3

"he fell into conversation with a couple of police officers who said they worked for the Regional Narcotics Suppression Program. He told the cops that he’d been an ordained minister with Calvary Chapel in Compton who counseled Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputies at the Twin Towers jail in downtown LA as well as a station in San Dimas before going to prison. (An investigator who looked into Monteilh’s claim for Calvary Chapel says there is not now nor ever has been a Calvary Chapel in that city, and the LA Sheriff’s Department has no record of ever having employed Monteilh.)" p.4

I'm sure he just accidently met people at these places...(or at least the places he didn't make up) that no one consciously met at these places to do something maybe like send a cryptic message to anyone. Just like when Bush and Goss both mentioned that Khalid Sheik Mohammad blew up the top upper levels of some building to trap the people above inside. Although the media hasn't reported that anywhere else, it would simply be tinfoil hat nuttery to thing Goss and Bush meant anything in saying what they said. In effect part of the government (Bush and Goss) make cryptic statements about explosives in buildings while part of the government chalks it all up to crashing planes and fire.

[captainjack08]

17. And what type of story would this be without some Muslim Brotherhood action?

"Monteilh also claims he fell in with a group of Egyptians, all of whom were secretly members of the Muslim Brotherhood, and that when the group invited him to visit their houses and attend their meetings, the FBI increased his pay."

Makes me wonder if the FBI also increases the pay of white supremacists when they secretly meet at klan and neo-nazi meetings?

"In late September 2007, Monteilh claims, one of the Egyptians told him that a Muslim “brother” wanted to meet him and teach him how to make bombs. Monteilh told his handlers. “At the time, we were negotiating my monthly payments,” he says, so the FBI supervisor thought he was lying in order to boost his pay. Monteilh offered to tape-record the Egyptians talking about bombs. A few days later, he accompanied the Egyptians to the It’s a Grind coffee shop on Culver Street. While the rest of the group went inside to buy tea and coffee, Monteilh taped himself thanking the man who’d told him about the bomb instructor. “I am honored that you would trust me in that way,” he said."

[tetedur]

20. It's as if they were reading from the same script.

Q Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. President, former Secretary of State Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism. If a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former Secretary of State feels this way, don't you think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether you're following a flawed strategy?

THE PRESIDENT: If there's any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it's flawed logic. I simply can't accept that. It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective, Terry.

Keith Olbermann had a Special Commentary that is still available on the internet concerning this non-answer to the question. He focused on the "It's unacceptable to think..." part.