Former Accused Iraqi Agent Reveals Facts about 9/11 Warning

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.apj.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2248&Itemid=2

The feds dropped all charges against Susan Lindauer, and now she's talking freely. Michael Collins's interview with Lindauer covers the warnings provided to the Bush-Cheney administration prior to 9/11. It presents entirely new information from an angel that will add substantially to knowledge that terrible attack.



March 2, 2009 – Washington, DC (electionfraudnews.com) – I first wrote about Susan Lindauer's struggle against the Bush-Cheney regime in October 2007, "American Cassandra: Susan Lindauer's Story." This was initially published in "Scoop" Independent Media (complete series) and carried by a wide variety of concerned Internet news sites and blogs. This interview follows the full dismissal of charges against her just before President Obama's inauguration on January 20, 2009. This is the first in depth interview that Lindauer has offered regarding 9/11. Below is part one of the interview.

I asked Ms. Lindauer to make her own statement about why she's willing to go into detail now about 9/11 and the governments handling of pre-9/11 intelligence.

For five years, I was the poster child for President Bush's retaliation against Americans who opposed his War Policy in Iraq. In March, 2004 the Justice Department indicted me for acting as an "unregistered Iraqi Agent" (not espionage), because I delivered a prescient letter to my second cousin, Andy Card, former Chief of Staff to President Bush, warning of the dire consequences of War.

More dangerously, I had decided to talk. In February, 2004 I approached the senior staff of Senators Trent Lott and John McCain and asked to testify in front of the new blue ribbon Presidential Commission on Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence. Within a month, I was astounded to wake up one morning to hear FBI agents pounding on the door of my house in Maryland with an arrest warrant.

The indictment called me "Symbol Susan." It was a bizarre notation unsupported by any evidence or action in the indictment. It did however have one crucial purpose-to communicate a warning that anybody breaking ranks from the Bush White House should expect to be brutally crushed like I was.

To speak the truth under President George Bush was the worst crime of all. It was treason.

But what exactly was the U.S. government trying to hide?

The answer is more far reaching than you would expect. In the first article of this series written and edited with the help of Michael Collins, we talk about the 9/11 warning that my team delivered to the Office of Counter-Terrorism at the Justice Department in August, 2001.

For those who think you've heard the whole story of 9/11, you might be surprised.

— Susan Lindauer, March 1, 2009
Interview of Susan Lindauer by Michael Collins


Michael Collins: What confirmation can you provide that you actually warned about 9/11 several months before the attack?

[Bolo Boffin]

1. I thought this might be worth something until this:

Dr. Fuisz never formally revealed his source to me. But within about 30 minutes after airplanes struck the Twin Towers, he blurted something to me over the phone.

He told me the Israeli Mossad had advance warning about the attack. As I recall, he said it before the buildings collapsed.

He asked me if I thought it was "an accident that a man and woman happened to be waiting on the sidewalk with a video camera, ready to record the attack." He was highly agitated. He challenged me "how often a bystander has a camera cued up to record a car accident?"

Then he said, "Those are Israeli agents. It's not an accident. They knew this attack was coming. And they were waiting for it."

There is no mystery how people had video cameras ready to go. The only thing on television before the collapse of the towers was 175 hitting the South Tower. Plenty of people had cameras trained on the Towers then.

This idiotic accusation against the Mossad and Israeli shows this source for the rank anti-Semiticism that it is. SLAD appears not to be done playing with fire.

[seemslikeadream]

2. and YOU are not done with the smear

[autorank]

142. Michael Collins UPDATE - Links to responses below

I've never had one article posted so many times on one day. Thanks to all of you --
]the amazing johnfunk and my very good friends Seemslikeadream and kpete.

This is just to let you know where things are in this thread.

1) Lindauer's Opinion of Judge Michael B. Mukasey (who handled her case for two years)

"135. I'll tell you exactly what her opinion of him is - very positive"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=235674&mesg_id=235914

She likes and admires him. He locked her up but let her out, spanking the prosecutor for his
attempt to force medication on Lindauer. It will be clear, if you actually read my articles,
that much was withheld from Judge Mukasey by prosecutors and her first attorney, court appointed.

2) Evidence was withheld from Mukasey on Lindauer's competence both at the initial confinement
heaing and the subsequent release hearing on Sept. 6, 2006.

"138. Evidence was withheld from Mukasey"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=235674&mesg_id=235917

The prosecution and first attorney did not present evidence from a highly qualified Maryland
Psychiatrist and two PhD level therapists in Maryland who saw Lindauer over months. All said
she had no hallucinations or delusions and struggled primarily with anxiety/trauma from her
treatment at arrest and subsequently. THAT NEVER MADE IT INTO EVIDENCE.

That information plus a recommendation AGAINST forcing medication on her from the staff at the
federal prison facility where she was confined NEVER made it into the evidence for the Sept. 6, 2006
hearing where Mukasey denied the prosecution request for forced medication and then released
Lindauer on bail.

3) My opinion of Mukasey (before he got into the A.G. slot).

"134. Empty Wheel carried the last article I wrote about Suaan Lindauer - very favorable review"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=235674&mesg_id=235913

Someone could write, "Collins was overly optimistic that Mukasey would apply his notions of
equity and help for the underdog shown in federal court to the highly politicized atmosphere of
a lawless White House and Justice Department."

4) Initial confusion on the case, initial indictment.

"139. That's an old copy. The case was changed to USA v. Lindauer because"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=235674&mesg_id=235918

Lindauer was charged along with two Iraqi nationals. They had nothing to do with each other and
Mukasey made that clear. Being in the same indictment caused people who didn't read it carefully
to think that Lindauer was in league with them. That's where the "spy" meme comes from. Nothing
could be further from the truth.

The case was taken OFF of electronic reporting and the PACER system. Electronic documents are copies
of originals that you get at Federal District Court, Southern District, Manhattan. Why? I have
no idea.

A lot of the challenges to Lindauer can be cleared up if you read these articles and simply reference
the links. It's clear when there's support for her and not.

They're all here:

The Susan Lindauer "American Cassandra" Series
(or here - Lindauer Articles and Materials



by Michael Collins

American Cassandra: Susan Lindauer’s Story Michael Collins October 17, 2007
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0710/S00266.htm

Did Justice Order Forced Psychiatric Medication Michael Collins September 12, 2008
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0809/S00157.htm

Bush Political Prisoner Gets her Day in Court Michael Collins June 11, 2008
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00141.htm

An Exclusive Interview with Bush Political Prisoner Susan Lindauer Michael Collins June 2008
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00180.htm

911 Prediction Revealed at Susan Lindauer Competency Hearing Michael Collins June 17, 2004
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00263.htm

From the People Who brought You Judith Miller and George Bush: The NYT Covers the Susan Lindauer Hearing June 24, 2009
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00332.htm

Did Justice Order Forced Psychiatric Medication? Michael Collins, Sept. 12, 2008.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0809/S00157.htm

American Kafka: Susan Lindauer Demands "The Trial" Michael Collins, Oct. 4, 2008
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0810/S00055.htm

Feds Drop Lindauer Charges -- Accused "Unregistered Agent" Susan Lindauer Denied Trial for Five Years Jan. 16, 2009
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0901/S00210.htm

Susan Lindauer Reveals Facts about 9/11 Warning 03/03/09


Thanks again for posting this Seemslikeadream :hi:

[autorank]

145. QUESTION: What's the connection between Susan Lindauer& the PALIN TRUTH SQUAD?

ANSWER FOUND HERE

[Bolo Boffin]

146. So all the mental health professionals O'Callaghan relied on for his arguments

they are all Palin Truth Squad people? I'm eagerly awaiting your proof of that.

[seemslikeadream]

3. Do you have a problelm with the link?

Collins?


Susan Lindauer?

What?

[bahadir]

147. collins

yes, that is enough

[glitch]

4. Don't think so, since everyone from the CIA to Germans to Israelis were warning the Bush admin

the coming attacks. It could be construed as anti-bushian though.

[seemslikeadream]

5. that's all he's got

apparently he thinks Susan Lindauer is an anti-semite and I and every one who posts this piece is also, be careful just by posting in this thread you will feel the wrath of the name caller

[reinvestigate911]

13. amazing.

wake me up, indeed.

[Bolo Boffin]

7. I'm sorry, but my objection is rather specific

Just because people were warning the Bush Administration about this and that (something I accept, which is why I was considering this worthwhile in the beginning), that doesn't mean that this particular warning ever actually happened. And when the ludicrous detail I mentioned (plus the "I drove to Andy Card's house and sat there for two hours" story) popped up, and considering the source SLAD got this from (electionfraudnews.com)...

Wake me up when this hits Emptywheel or Glenn Greenwald.

[seemslikeadream]

8. THE LINK IS APJ - Michael Collins aka Autorank

http://www.apj.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2248&Itemid=2


I'll inform Autorank how you feel about him

[Bolo Boffin]

9. The source is Election Fraud News -- read your own fucking OP's byline

APJ is a proxy. It's reprinted the story.

Autorank should stop using a woman declared mentally unfit to stand trial to float his boat.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/nyregion/17lindauer.html

Judge Mukasey had earlier said that Ms. Lindauer was “seriously disturbed” and that even antipsychotic medication might not make her fit to stand trial.

He cited findings that she had paranoia and delusions of grandeur; he also questioned the strength of the government’s case, saying, “There is no indication that Lindauer ever came close to influencing anyone, or could have.”

Judge Preska, in her ruling, said that Ms. Lindauer generally understood the roles of jurors, prosecutors, defense lawyers and judges, but did not seem to have a “rational understanding of the roles” they played in her case.

The judge cited the testimony of a government psychiatrist who said that Ms. Lindauer claimed to have special powers and that she had indicated she once met with Osama bin Laden, who disclosed to her the location of a bomb. The judge said that demonstrated “a lack of connection with reality.”

Judge Preska also cited Ms. Lindauer’s behavior in court last year, when, after being admonished not to speak without first consulting with her lawyer, she stuffed tissues in her mouth. That was “not the response of someone rationally connected to the proceedings,” Judge Preska said.

[seemslikeadream]

12. THE TIMES THE TIMES

You are quoting the biggest war supports :rofl:

[Bolo Boffin]

14. So when you scream about me smearing on the basis of anti-Semiticism

That's bad, right?

But when you discount what the Times say because they are the "biggest war supports :rofl:", that's OK, right?

[seemslikeadream]

15. water carriers must stick together

[Bolo Boffin]

16. What a sad, small world you live in.

Life could be better for you, you know.

[seemslikeadream]

17. Did or did not

Who got us into these wars and who helped?

[Bolo Boffin]

20. You'd like to talk about anything but Susan Lindauer's insanity, wouldn't you?

Let's talk about something with substance, then, please?

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/92-destroyed-tapes/

[seemslikeadream]

21. I've already read the article and is more proof I am correct

[Bolo Boffin]

22. Yes, I'm aware that your confirmation bias is set to kill. n/t

[seemslikeadream]

24. hey I'm not responsible for a million Iraqi deaths

NYT dropped the ball on that one

[seemslikeadream]

26. It is confirmed that the NYT did NOT do it's job

and we are in two wars AND a financial crisis, another thing they could have looked at

[seemslikeadream]

25. In this thread the substance is Lindauer

[Subdivisions]

29. And who was the person that declared her unfit to stand trial, genious?

That's right, Michael Mukasey.

'Nuff said!

[seemslikeadream]

30. That's right, Michael Mukasey!!

[Subdivisions]

31. Isn't it amazing how these things ALWAYS end up right back

to the bushco inner circle?

Amazing.

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[reinvestigate911]

79. who's defending the mukasey call on sanity here?

last i checked it wasn't SLAD.
right bolo?

[Bolo Boffin]

83. Would you like to go on record as to Lindauer's opinion of Mukasey?

Hmm?

[Subdivisions]

91. Ok, I'll go on record.

I have no idea what she thinks about him. Haven't come across that tidbit yet.

[reinvestigate911]

103. self delete

[autorank]

135. I'll tell you exactly what her opinion of him is - very positive

I wrote this and SmirkingChimp.Com was one of the sites where I posted the article. Susan Lindauer saw it and contacted Jeff Tiedrich of Chimp who put her in touch with me. She said that she appreciated that fact that I understood that Mukasey was a decent jurist and tried to be fare (this is on the federal district court).

Attorney General Mukasey and the Rule of Law
01/24/2007

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/9994

Michael Collins
"Scoop" Independent News
Washington, D.C.

Attorney General nominee, Judge Michael B. Mukasey was under FBI protection for 11 years due to threats after presiding over major terrorist trials. Commenting on the FBI's decision to end protection even though some safety concerns remained, the judge said "I'm not complaining. I rather like it, being normal."

A review of his legal history portrays Judge Mukasey as a highly intelligent and capable jurist who stands his ground and displays sympathy for the underdog. His writing outside of court reveals a traditional conservative bias with a willingness to engage in dialog.

Snip

Will Mukasey put a stop to the cynical deception called voter fraud, a phony construct perpetrated by the Department of Justice which results ultimately in the disenfranchisement of minority and poor voters? And will he vigorously enforce all elections laws and focus on the crime of election fraud?

Will he keep a distance form the Giuliani campaign? This is critical given his previous association with that effort.

Will he develop some serious skepticism about the good will of the current administration after a few days of looking behind the tattered veil and restrain himself from giving them "the benefit of the doubt."

Most importantly, will he say to Bush, "No sir, you cannot do that. It's illegal."

I was overly optimistic about Mukasey standing his ground against Bush as the first inquiries on torture showed.

Nevertheless, Lindauer is very positive toward him even though he confined her to federal prison for evaluation.

Why is she positive toward him? He treated her respectfully during the trial, he was limited by the information he got from the court appointed attorney (she didn't like him at all) and the prosecutor. She believes that had Mukasey had that material, things would have been entirely different. She also liked him because he released her from custody and said the case was not well founded at all.

From the first article I wrote about Lindauer:

American Cassandra: Susan Lindauer's story
Oct. 17, 2007

http://scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0710/S00266.htm

Susan Lindauer sent her eleventh and last letter on the Iraqi political situation to then Bush chief of staff Andrew Card on January 6, 2003, just two months before General Franks gave the command to invade on March 20, 2003. She’d sent ten other letters on Iraq to Card, her second cousin, over a two year period.

SNIP

After seeing an article I wrote on Attorney General nominee Mukasey, Susan Lindauer emailed Jeff Tiedrich, publisher of the political web site that carried the story. She complimented my analysis of Mukasey, which had mentioned her case. I received the email, contacted her, and requested an interview. She agreed.

(Keep in mind that my analysis of Mukasey was favorable (or unduly optimistic or other words;))

There are points in the other 7 or so articles I've written on this case where she's been positive about him and she's on record elsewhere, radio, etc. saying positive things about him.

She likes him, doesn't agree with all of his decisions, but respects him as an intellect and considers him a gentleman.

That's what she thinks of the Judge and later A.G., Michael B. Mukasey.

[autorank]

136. I'm on record here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=235674&mesg_id=235914

[Bolo Boffin]

38. I wonder what Lindauer thinks of Michael Mukasey? n/t

[seemslikeadream]

39. I don't wonder

I'm pretty sure I know.

[Bolo Boffin]

43. You're pretty sure you know what Lindauer's opinion of Mukasey is?

Would you mind documenting your knowledge? Would you say that her opinion is very bad, bad, neutral, good, or very good of Mukasey?

Care to go on the record and test your rather certain knowledge?

[Subdivisions]

59. If you have something, quit fucking around and post it. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

63. No, first, I want people to go on the record.

What is Lindauer's opinion of Mukasey? Bad or good?

[autorank]

137. On record

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=235674&mesg_id=235914

[Subdivisions]

76. I guess that means you believe everything Lindauer says. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

84. My goodness, the lengths you will go to avoid answering the question.

What do you think Lindauer's opinion of Mukasey is?

[Subdivisions]

92. Ummmm....

I don't give a fuck what she thinks of Mukasey. It's not pertinent to the content of the OP and it doesn't matter. The fact is, Mukasey is a bushbot.

[Bolo Boffin]

94. Your post #30 begs to differ.

Could you sit for a minute, gather your thoughts, and post something coherent?

[Subdivisions]

97. Message Deleted.

[autorank]

138. Evidence was withheld from Mukasey

He made no reference to her two PhD level therapists in Maryland who had seen her over months.

Both said that she was traumatized from her experience with the arrest and treatment before/after
confinement. Both noted that there were no signs of hallucinations or delusions. Both saw her
over months. Her Maryland psychiatrist saw no signs of delusions and referred her to the therapists.

It was only the NYC court appointed psychiatrist who came up with the delusional since she thought
she was an asset analysis.

So, in the first and second hearing, Mukasey was denied vital evidence to counter the court appointed
shrinks who saw her for a few hours. In fact, her defense attorney, court appointed, got her a
psychiatrists who specialized in diagnosis without ever seeing the client, amazing.

Had Mukasey ever seen the evidence from Maryland, he would have take an different tact. Had he
found out that it had been withheld, he would have hit the ceiling.

During the hearing on forced medication, the Asst. U.S. Attorney asked that she be forced to take
medication (Haldol). He FAILED TO PRODUCE the prison psychiatric team recommendation AGAINST
forced medication. (See:

Did Justice Order Forced Psychiatric Medication? Michael Collins, Sept. 12, 2008



SNIP

How did the December 2005 Carswell FMC recommendation transform from one opposing forced medication into a prosecution request for an order to force Lindauer to take the medications listed above? Was there some evidence presented to support the change in position. It didn't result from Lindauer's behavior according to the testimony elicited from Carswell psychiatrist, Dr. Colin Vas. The psychiatrist had records showing consistently "appropriate" behavior and no signs of hallucinations.

If the recommendation didn't come from Carswell, where did it originate?

Are U.S. Attorney's now in the business of deciding if defendants should be forced to take psychiatric medication?

She asked for a full trial and the feds kept calling her unfit to stand trial. lindauer's 2nd
attorney, Briagn Shaughnessy of DC, pointed out that he couldn't find a case like the Lindauer
case where the prosecution (state/federal) insisted on incompetence to stand trial due to
mental illness.

So, twice Mukasey made judgments on Lindauer's competence and in each case, vital evidence was excluded by either or both her court appointed attorney and/or the prosecutor. Pretty bad stuff.

[Subdivisions]

28. YOU live in a small, sad world! n/t

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[Subdivisions]

130. It's not about 9/11 but it is emptywheel and it's about shrub.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5165901

[autorank]

134. Empty Wheel carried the last article I wrote about Suaan Lindauer - very favorable review

It came from ...

American Politis Journal,
http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/node/3778

"Scoop" Independent News,
http://scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0903/S00028.htm

e Pluribus Media,
http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/node/3778

ThePeoplesVoice.org,
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/03/02/former-accused-iraqi-agent-reveals-facts

OpEdNews, and
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Former-Accused-Iraqi-Agent-by-Michael-Collins-090302-909.html

The Agonist
http://agonist.org/michael_collins/20090302/former_accused_iraqi_agent_reveals_facts_about_9_11_warning#comment-182298

I post it at my web site with a link to other sites.


BushCo Drops All Charges against Andy Card’s Cousin
By: emptywheel Saturday January 17, 2009 6:35 am
(emptywheel link: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/17/bushco-drops-all-charges-against-andy-cards-cousin/
Original article that I wrote that emptywheel is discussing:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0901/S00210.htm )

Just five days before the end of his term, Bush's DOJ has dropped all charges against Andy Card's cousin--Susan Lindauer--whom they had accused of being an unregistered agent for Saddam Hussein's Iraq. By dropping the charges at this time, the Administration:

* Prevents Lindauer from proving at a trial that she was an intelligence asset working on behalf of the United States (though she says she'll sue for damages)
* Declines to try to prove that she was working on behalf of Saddam--and not the US--when she warned against invading Iraq
* Succeeds in preventing embarrassing information (both because of the link to Card, and because it included solid warnings against Iraq) from coming out while Bush was still in office

Basically, this appears to be a story about an intelligence op that got too emarrassing, so the Administration first accused Lindauer of working for Saddam, and then, when she talked about her ties to US intelligence, they accused her of being crazy and got her committed. And now, they are attempting to avoid a public trial in which she could prove her case.

The bulk of the charges against Lindauer depend on this letter she sent to Andy Card (and copied to Colin Powell) on January 8, 2003, when BushCo was ratcheting up the pressure for war. In it she listed the concessions she believed she could negotiate with Iraq:

... what specific actions can be taken by Baghdad, so that President Bush can declare victory without going to War. What do you need? Cooperation on terrorism, including interviewing authority for the FBI? Does the U.S. want the Lukoil Contract?



The U.S. would come away with full democratic reforms--free elections, free opposition newspapers, and free student organization at Universities.

Given the build up, you could declare a great victory from a formidable position of strength. You could keep U.S. troops in place for 6 months to monitor compliance. And you could do it all without war.

Even more than her promises to negotiate an agreement short of war (because I'm a little skeptical about all those "free elections" under Saddam) are her warnings:

But this War with Iraq will hurt us, too. In six weeks or six months, it won't matter. Because when it hits, it will hit so fard it will not matter that there was ever a delay--The Iraqi people hate Americans, no matter what they think of Saddam. When I was in Baghdad last March, more than one Imam swore to me their people would tear off the arms and the legs of American soldiers and decapitate them, and drag their bodies through the streets.



Above all, you must realize that if you go ahead with this invasion, Osama bin Laden will triumph, rising from his grave of seclusion. His network will be swollen with fresh recruits, and other charismatic individuals will seek to build on his model, multiplying those networks.

I can imagine that would be embarrassing for BushCo to admit receiving.

In any case, as I suggested, Lindauer seems prepared to sue for damages for having been committed, so we might yet get public testimony on these issues.

There you go.

[Bryan Sacks]

10. withholding judgment from the rest of the piece for a moment:

1. It's not clear in the excerpt quoted exactly what Fuisz is talking about. When he says "ready to record the attack", does he mean the first plane hit? Who is he referring to as 'ready', then? Can't be the Naudet brothers, since he says 'man and woman'. Is this a piece of the story I've forgotten, that another man and woman filmed the first plane at WTC?

2. The part bolo did NOT quote casts Israel in quite a different light:

I was outraged and shocked by the images on the television. I shot back something to the effect of, "You mean, we've been looking for an attack all this time! And the Israelis knew about it? And they didn't tell us?" In retrospect, outside the passion of that particular moment, the Israelis may have told us much more than Richard Fuisz may have known., emphasis added

So Lindauer is not necessarily suggesting Israel knew anything it didn't pass along.

[Bolo Boffin]

11. Lindauer says she thinks the conversation happened before the buildings collapsed

The only thing on television at the time was the 175 impact.

Unless Lindauer was looking over Bush's shoulder?

[seemslikeadream]

18. He is a master of the left out part

[Bolo Boffin]

19. Oh, please. I quoted four paragraphs. That's usually the limit here at DU.

It's so terribly mysterious.

[seemslikeadream]

23. that's more than usual

your responses to me are usually one hyphenated word

[Ghost in the Machine]

125. Maybe he meant the one video of the first plane hitting??

:shrug:

[Bolo Boffin]

126. Well, this was before the buildings fell, Ghost

The only thing on the television at that point was the second plane hitting the South Tower, and that happened live while millions were watching the coverage.

Edited to add: Plus there are only two videos of the first plane hitting that I've ever heard of. One was a Czech (I think) immigrant who was just fooling around and didn't even realize he'd recorded the first plane until years later. The other was the Naudet Brothers video, and they were shooting a special on firefighters when 11 flew overhead and the cameraman turned the camera toward the noise. Neither fit the story Lindauer is describing, which appears to be a badly bungled version of the Israelis who were arrested that day -- but there's no way Lindauer and the other person could have been talking about that before the building fell.

[Ghost in the Machine]

129. Ok, thanks.. I wasn't sure of the timeline on the video...

"before the buildings fell" is a pretty wide margin though, as it could mean any time from the moment of the initial impact until the actual implosion...

[wildbilln864]

6. Thanks for posting this SLaD! nt

:hi:

[seemslikeadream]

32. falsely arrested and prosecuted

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_5628.shtml

[seemslikeadream]

33. I’m going to haul them into civil court and prove everything I’ve said is true

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_5628.shtml

[Subdivisions]

35. Yet...

"She has worked in the press offices of four Democratic members of Congress and as a journalist for two magazines..."

Yet, Mukasey thinks she's insane.

[seemslikeadream]

34. A little piece from the NYT

Susan Lindauer's Mission To Baghdad
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980DE2DC143EF93AA1575BC0A9629C8B63

[seemslikeadream]

36. His sister told him that Lower Manhattan would be destroyed.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980DE2DC143EF93AA1575BC0A9629C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=6

One conversation John had with his sister in the summer of 2001 stuck in his mind for a different reason. ''So she goes, 'Listen, the gulf war isn't over,''' he told me over dinner at a sushi place on the Sunset Strip. '''There are plans in effect right now. They will be raining down on us from the skies.''' His sister told him that Lower Manhattan would be destroyed. ''And I was like, Yeah, whatever,'' he continued. When he woke up six weeks later to the news that two planes had crashed into the twin towers, and watched as ash settled on the window ledge of his sublet in Brooklyn, he had a dislocating sense of having his reality replaced by Susan's strange world -- an experience he would have again when he learned that his sister had been arrested by the F.B.I.

Parke Godfrey, a close friend of Lindauer's for the last 15 years, is a professor of computer science at York University in Ontario. He says that Lindauer warned him not to take a job at N.Y.U. the summer before the Sept. 11 attacks. That Lindauer's outlandish predictions actually came true, Godfrey suggests, further encouraged the exalted sense of personal mission that brought her to Washington in the first place.

[Bolo Boffin]

40. "Lindauer met twice in Baltimore... with an undercover FBI agent who posed as a Libyan intelligence

"The indictment said Lindauer met twice in Baltimore, in June and July, with an undercover FBI agent who posed as a Libyan intelligence representative who was seeking to support resistance groups in postwar Iraq. It said she discussed the need for plans and foreign resources to support those groups.

According to the indictment, she continued to correspond with the undercover agent until last month and followed the agent’s instructions to leave packages on two occasions in August in “dead drop” operations."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4506229/

[seemslikeadream]

42. Why did they drop the charges?

[Bolo Boffin]

45. Because she was mentally unfit to stand trial. n/t

[seemslikeadream]

47. BULLSHIT

prove that statement

[Bolo Boffin]

51. Sept 17, 2008 - NYT -- "Woman Accused of Iraq Ties Is Ruled Unfit for Trial Again"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/nyregion/17lindauer.html

Mukasey also judged the strength of the government's case harshly as well, since in his opinion Lindauer could never have influenced anyone to do anything.

[seemslikeadream]

53. That's your proof?

:rofl:

[Bolo Boffin]

56. Care to share what you think Lindauer's opinion of Mukasey is, SLAD?

Why would you be running from going on the record about that?

[Subdivisions]

78. You beleive that she thinks highly of Lindauer? You believe her on some things,

but not other things?

[Bolo Boffin]

85. I happen to actually know what she thinks of Mukasey. I've got her words on the subject.

And her words have interesting implications for people who ARE defending her claims of this, that, and the other.

[seemslikeadream]

89. THEN POST THE FUCKING THING WITH LINKS AND STOP FUCKING PLAYING GAMES

EDIT FOR ANOTHER FUCK

[Bolo Boffin]

96. Go on the record. What are you "pretty sure" about?

You know, I could just be bluffing here. I've done it before and been busted.

Come on. Don't wait for someone to tell you what you think. Just say it.

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[seemslikeadream]

50. Where is the proof she is unfit to stand trial

should we ask Murksey buddy Karl Rove?

[Bolo Boffin]

41. Lindauer's indictment

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0311041lind1.html

[seemslikeadream]

44. Did ya hear they DROPPED THE CHARGES

[Bolo Boffin]

46. Did you hear that she was judged mentally unfit to stand trial? n/t

[seemslikeadream]

49. how convenient

Let's ask the her about that

[Bolo Boffin]

52. Yes, ignore all those psychatrists -- psychiatrists are evil, aren't they? n/t

[seemslikeadream]

54. now just who's psys were they?

[Bolo Boffin]

60. Does it matter to Lindauer?

She seems to have some issues with psychatrists.

[seemslikeadream]

64. I'd have a problem with gov psys too

[Subdivisions]

66. He buys EVERY SINGLE THING bushco spouts. EVERY THING. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

68. If you are referring to me, you would be making a blatent factually inaccurate statement. n/t

[reinvestigate911]

117. "He buys EVERY SINGLE THING bushco spouts (if it's related to 9/11)" - FIXED

[Bolo Boffin]

118. And still incorrect.

Maybe you should quit while you're behind.

[reinvestigate911]

119. comedy isn't your strong suit.

[Bolo Boffin]

120. And accuracy isn't yours. n/t

[reinvestigate911]

121. i only need to be right... accuracy is for those who quibble.

[Bolo Boffin]

122. Inaccuracy is the enemy of the right and the truth. n/t

[reinvestigate911]

123. did you steal that from a captain america comic? cornball demagoguery just may be your strong suit!

[Bolo Boffin]

124. I have this feeling that if you concentrated on accuracy instead of me

whole worlds would open up.

[reinvestigate911]

127. you flatter youself, captain

[Bolo Boffin]

128. No, really, you flatter me with all this overblown attention.

All of this overblown, unwanted attention. Stick to accuracy, facts, and logic! You will find your Bolo Boffin problem disappears as if by magick.

[AZCat]

131. I am constantly amazed at your personality cult, bolo.

I come home from work, log onto the internet, and what do I see? A handful of threads with posters vying for screen time with their favorite OCTer. I gotta tell ya, the rest of the DAISY Chain is getting jealous. :(

[Bolo Boffin]

132. I need my personality cult to fix me a sammich.

Make themselves useful.

[reinvestigate911]

133. you're clearly drunk on internetting, dude.

and it's not very attractive.
again, get over yourself.

[Subdivisions]

48. THEY DROPPED ALL CHARGES, GENIUS! N/T

[Bolo Boffin]

55. SHE WAS UNFIT TO STAND TRIAL, SUBDIVISIONS. N/T

[seemslikeadream]

58. THAT'S THEIR EXCUSE

[Bolo Boffin]

65. That's, like, just your opinion, SLAD. n/t

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[Bolo Boffin]

69. No, Gonzo is not my hero, not at all.

But funny you should mention the word, "hero."

[Subdivisions]

70. New York Post:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09122008/news/nationalnews/saddam_spy_sane_nuf__doc_128736.htm

[Bolo Boffin]

71. And what did the court ultimately rule, Subdivisions? n/t

[seemslikeadream]

72. Lindauer, 45, is fighting to have her day in court

[Bolo Boffin]

74. Still running from Lindauer's opinion of Mukasey?

Why won't you go on the record, SLAD? You say you're pretty sure you know. Why don't you share specifics about what you're pretty sure you know? What are you afraid of?

[Subdivisions]

75. She could be sucking his dick for all I care! He's a bushbot and that's

all I need to know.

Ew, btw.

And, beggin' your pardon, ma'am.

[seemslikeadream]

77. ain't running from nothin' I've got a pm in to autorank since he's talked with her

maybe he knows

[Bolo Boffin]

86. But you said you were pretty sure you knew what her opinion was and now you refuse to say?

You may not be running, but you surely display more ways like running than anyone in this thread.

[seemslikeadream]

88. I said PRETTY sure because I am awaiting a reply from Mike

[Bolo Boffin]

93. Why not go on the record? Why wait for Mike to tell you how you should think? n/t

[Subdivisions]

104. Illogical. She's not waiting for Mike to tell her what she thinks. She's

waiting to see if Mike knows the answer to your question by virtue of the fact that he has spoken to her.

[Bolo Boffin]

105. But SHE knows the answer to my question -- what does she think Lindauer's opinion of Mukasey is?

Why would she have to talk to Mike to know what her "pretty sure" opinion is?

[Subdivisions]

106. Oh, well, looks to me like she's sourcing rather than relying solely

on her own opinion.

Is there a problem with that?

[Bolo Boffin]

108. Because she was happy to suggest she knew what Lindauer's opinion was until

she got the idea that I might have something. She jumped in and threw off some snide comment, unaware of the real facts. And watching her backpedal and you provide cover has really brightened my day.

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[autorank]

140. He knows

She admires him.

[Subdivisions]

80. You believe her when it suits you or provides a gotcha moment, but otherwise...

not so much.

[Bolo Boffin]

87. I didn't say I believed her on anything. I'm not defending her claims about this and that.

I believe her when she gives her opinion on something, but that doesn't mean I agree with her opinion. Please stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Care to go on the record?

[Subdivisions]

90. Let's see, how can I put this...

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

The OP is not about what she thinks of Mukasey nor does it matter.

[Bolo Boffin]

95. So why did you bring Mukasey into it? Post #30. n/t

[Subdivisions]

99. Because he's the one that declared her unfit for trial. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

101. Wrong on both counts. n/t

[Subdivisions]

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[Bolo Boffin]

107. Hey, what do you know? I'm wrong about something!

Hey, it happens.

Mukasey is the judge that declared her unfit for trial in 2006, right before he became the Attorney General. Gah.

But then I've been looking at the 2008 article from the NY Times, where she was once again declared unfit for trial, two years after Mukasey did. That wasn't Mukasey.

So in the spirit of civility and advancing the discussion, I apologize for my mistake. Subdivisions is right that Mukasey was the judge that first declared her unfit.

[Subdivisions]

109. It's funny that someone that has something to say like what Lindauer has

to say is branded as "unfit". She's a 4-time congressional aide, yet she's apparently insane, according to the courts. You would think that congressmen/women would vet their aides a bit more thoroughly, or at least suspect that something with her wasn't quite right.

[Bolo Boffin]

111. Your mistake is assuming that her determination as "unfit to stand trial" has anything to do

with her claims about 9/11 and nothing to do with her actual insanity.

[Subdivisions]

112. Perhaps. But what do you know, you're just an actor. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

113. When will you learn that personal attacks betray your own weakness in argument? n/t

[Subdivisions]

114. When it comes to you, I don't care. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

115. When it comes to me, you don't care about displaying your weakness in argument?

Lord, make my discussion partners foolish.

[Subdivisions]

116. No, I don't. Because I'm not a trained diversionary like you are. Now, let's see

if you understand this...

One more time...buh-bye, boffin'.

Unless of course you'd like to have that beer now. But, I suspect you won't. So, adeiu to you.

[seemslikeadream]

73. Now we shouldn't be so mean, people need their beauty sleep

and some folks get cranky if they don't get enough sleep

[autorank]

139. That's an old copy. The case was changed to USA v. Lindauer because

the original indictment had two additional people in it that she never met, didn't know of, and that Mukasey pointed out had nothing to do with her charges, other than the connection to Iraq.

That's the source of a great deal of misdirection on this case. The two Iraqi nationals, convicted,
were accused of spotting resisters in the U.S., Iraqi freedom folks or whatever they called themselves.
That was a very serious charge. It had nothing to do with Lindauer but the inclusion of their names
in her indictment led to a conflation of her charges with theirs.

Byron York wrote on of the most widely read articles on the net on this case. He failed to read the
indictment and understand the fact that the charges were not putting Lindauer and the two Iraqis
in league with each other.

Lots of people made that mistake and continue to make it. Repetition of a false statement does
not make it true.

From: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0810/S00055.htm

It bears emphasis here that it was never the government's theory that Lindauer participated in such conduct, or indeed that she even knew the Al-Anbuke brothers. Rather, she and they were charged together only because both allegedly conspired with IIS. Judge Michael B. Mukasey, Opinion and Order, September 6, 2006.

There you have it.

[Make7]

141. While I am sure everyone appreciates your replies in this thread...

... might I suggest that you start a new thread if you have the time to discuss this matter in more depth. You obviously have more information regarding this than anyone else here, and I feel that your replies might be missed by people who have already given up on reading this thread, or just not following close enough because it has gone somewhat astray.

My main interest would be concerning the prospects of a civil trial. Does Ms. Lindauer have the resources to initiate a trial? Possibly a prolonged one. Are you still in contact with her and planning to follow up on any new developments? (I am assuming that you are given the time you have invested up to this point.)

Whether or not you have more time to spend here to share some insight, thank you for clearing up some of the issues in this thread.

-Make7
 

[autorank]

143. Good point. I'll do that. I have time on the master post edit period

I'll be following up on any further developments.

She said she'd take it to court meaning a civil trial.

Thanks for the idea.

Mike

[autorank]

144. New Thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=235923&mesg_id=235923

nite

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