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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:16 PM
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Answering the lack of proof rebuke
The government has refused to declassify evidence. Furthermore, we have a recent allegation that suggests the CIA destroyed key evidence.

Yet some debunkers completely ignore this information and accuse 9/11 skeptics of failing to provide proof. I agree that speculation shouldn't be confused for truth. But whose actions best demonstrate a lack of regard for the truth? That would be the government and anyone who refuses to acknowledge the government's secretive conduct (in relation to 9/11) which likely now includes obstruction of justice.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:10 AM
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1. Word.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:50 AM
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2. Knowingly disregarding fundamental science and engineering principles
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 09:51 AM by hack89
to support outlandish CT (space beams, mini-nukes, free fall, static vs dynamic structural loading, etc, etc) is the greater lack of regard for the truth. If you have to make up your own science to "prove" your point then there is no truth to it at all.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:32 AM
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3. The 9CR had $15 Million and didn't provide proof. NIST had $20 Million.
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 10:33 AM by petgoat
Give us $35 million and two years and subpoena power,
then ask us for proof.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:56 AM
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4. Proof of what?
Neither the 9/11 CR or the NIST set out to prove anything.

What are you talking about?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:52 AM
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6. then I expect you'll stop offering their propaganda as proof
that's at least some progress

:thumbsup:
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:49 PM
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8. I offer facts and evidence established by science
I you want to believe the NIST reports are propaganda, have fun. It's sort of you like saying science is propaganda.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:55 AM
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7. My point exactly. Implied much, proved nothing. The body politic
believes the 9CR proved that al Qaeda did it and that the
NIST report proved that fires brought the building down.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:56 PM
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9. The point is CT'ers for some unknown reason
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 02:57 PM by LARED
seem to expect the NIST reports and the 9/11 CR report to prove something or they are useless to understand the events of 9/11?

What exactly do you expect them to prove?

The 9/11 CR is a chronology of events. Designed to blame no one. (Like congress or the WH) That's what congressional blue ribbon panels do.

The NIST reports makes no attempt to prove anything. The reports are an investigation regarding the performance of the buildings in order to make improvement to new buildings. A very through investigation as well. They did not set out to prove the planes and subsequent fire destroyed the building. That is self evident.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:26 AM
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12. How convenient for Cheney
and the rest of the PNACers.

"The 9/11 CR is a chronology of events. Designed to blame no one."
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:30 PM
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14. Because those who resist calls for new investigations claim all questions have been answered
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 01:32 PM by petgoat
by the official reports, CTers point out there's no proof in these "answers" and,
as you say, no attempt at proof.

Thus the official reports fail to convince and new investigations are needed.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:17 AM
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5. Forget proof.
I'd be satisfied if the TM would stop making arguments based on a faulty understanding of physics and engineering.
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:39 AM
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13. Who is this "us" that you refer to?
And who is it the unnamed entity that you suggest should give this unidentified "us" $35 million?

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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:55 PM
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15. Truth-seekers, as opposed to gov't hacks. nt
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:28 PM
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10. IMO, there isn't
enough declassified information to determine what happened on 9/11. The government could remedy this in 24 hours but chooses not to do so. Thus the government is obstructing the public from knowing the truth about 9/11.
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bushsawaa11hitwtc Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:50 PM
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11. Naudet Bros and James Hanlon did they collaborate on the film?
they worked together on the "911" CBS movie, now a DVD, but who set them up to meet? Hanlon is an actor/fireman, I have only begun to read up on website 911 foreknowledge dot com and I whole heartedly believe the lucky shot of AA11 caught by Naudet was set up. They were French film students arriving in US in 1989. Don't know anything of their background. They had a TV film Dec. 26th on CBS, Killing in the Name of God, Robert DeNiro narrated "911" but did not want to be on the DVD, maybe it had to do with the deal, maybe he wised up on the government's involvement in 911. He doesn't speak out like Penn, or Robbins, or Sheen. I think they conspired, having full knowledge of the attack. Do a photo search on these 3 guys.
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