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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:51 AM
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Why The World Trade Towers Must Come Down!­
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 12:56 AM by Contrite
By Thomas-Scott Gordon, architect photographer with insider knowledge. I apologize if this has been posted before--I did a search and didn't find it.

A BRIEF TECHNICAL SUMMARY, WHY:

The structural integrity of the massive World Trade Center Towers was contingent upon the combined -value of *both* the internal, perimeter STEEL columns and the adjoining ALUMINIUM fascia-panels.

Over the years, the process known as 'galvanic corrosion' had structurally degraded these buildings beyond repair. Supporting statements to this effect had been compiled by the engineers and delivered to the building owners during the time-frame that I have described. Subsequently, both Mayor Giuiliani's Office, and the New York Port Authority, had allegedly received an order for the buildings to be completely dismantled, by 2007."

Through the continual effects of wind-sheer and this process had eroded the bolt-holds at roughly floors #7 through #25, that fulcrum-point where the lateral pressures were inherently sustained. Photographs, taken after the disaster, reveal that it was only those lowest exterior column sectional groupings which do not appear to have shown severe de-coupling of the joinery, therein. This is evidenced by the bright 'shiny,' cage-like forms that served to contain the bulk of the physical contents among a burning rubble.

Physical evidence verifies that an incendiary 'explosive' material, such as 'thermate,' had come into contact with numerous Steel structural members throughout the entire structures. This has now been verified by independent research scientists from actual samples that had been collected from the site. Witnessed by their locations within the burning pyre, these supporting columns had fallen from the upper-most portions of the two building core-sections.

*My views concerning the chronic construction "flaws" in the World Trade Towers, follows at the end of this document, in section IV. I do not wish to assign 'blame,' nor do I feel the need for me to address these physical matters with any degree of scientific analysis. Sadly enough, the end result of simple human error has now brought the entire world to a state of heightened alarm, to say the very least. I strongly encourage you to cross-reference these issues, as recorded in countless independent and government source documents pertaining to the critical stress-dynamics, and galvanic properties inherent in aluminium alloys.

I also witnessed numerous, "highly suspicious" activities that took place at WTC, building #7, shortly after the structure was erected, and thus concurrent to the events that I have described. Mr. Silverstein was involved from the onset! *Virtually no information concerning the floor-plans, or the construction-phase* has been collected for anyone to do any real investigation into Building #7.

I realize this is a leading statement, but I will challenge any NYC architect to accept the chance to disprove it. After -all, I am the ONLY current spokesperson for the original architects, once officially recognized as the World's foremost design firm. :) -Put that feather in your cap, Mr. Robert A. M. Stern!

(more)

http://redlineav.com/tsg.deposition.contd.2.html

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/07-21-06/discussion.cgi.97.html
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:56 AM
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1. He talks about Kurt Sonnenfeld
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 01:58 AM by Contrite
I Googled him and it leads to a very weird story. I also got this thread, which not only links to information about Sonnenfeld (http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318993.shtml) but also provides some really interesting photographs I had not seen before.

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3108&st=4695
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 03:04 AM
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2. OK, I've got to express some skepticism before even looking
at this.

Structural integrity was contingent on the aluminum cladding?

Corrosion of the steel elements could have been repaired by grinding
and welding.

This thesis makes no sense, unless I'm missing something major.

Sorry, Contrite, your work up to now has been solid. This makes
no sense to me.

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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 03:07 AM
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3. Read this guy's story, though.
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 03:54 AM by Contrite
It's freaky. I don't know what to make of it, do you? I mean I read before about the asbestos containment problem being a reason for bringing the towers down, but not this. There is another article related to the corrosion called "What do the Statue of Liberty and the WTC Towers Have In Common"? It's posted by Karl Schwarz, who I am not sure I trust. http://100777.com/node/1074

Apart from what is going on with him, what about Sonnenfeld's story? Did you read what he said about what he saw?

"I was the only person, with camera in hand, with total and absolute access to any area of Ground Zero and the WTC. Any other cameras that were within that area would have been confiscated and the the person carrying them arrested.

"But what exactly are in these images of yours that could contradict the official US government version of events on 9/11?

"What I saw at certain moments and in certain places...is very frightening, I don't know who to put it in words, what I saw leads me to the terrible conclusion that there was foreknowledge of what was going to happen. The precautions that were taken to save certain things that the authorities there considered irreplaceable or invaluable. For example, certain things were missing that could only have been removed with a truck, yet after the first plane hit one of the towers, everything in manhattan collapsed and no one could have gotten near the towers to do that."

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=89&contentid=3905

Here's some more from another site:

The formidable-looking facade, weakening day by day, was in danger of peeling off and falling into the street, and the corrosive process was weakening the steel structure itself. That the buildings were full of asbestos became another of the WTC's liabilities, as that material acquired a bad rep. The towers may have been "sick buildings" in other environmental ways. They were white elephants waiting for replacement.

The entire WTC complex, including Building 7, had become, prematurely expendable and a candidate for demolition and replacement.

http://www.teslapress.com/911_history.htm
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 10:29 PM
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7. this is what people who worked there told me
While i worked there, over many lunchbreaks and whatnot, people talk about
the towers, and whether they could fall down.

some people said that the towers were only designed to last a few decades, and
that the plan at the time of their construction was to fell them like trees
in to the hudson river at the end of their lifespans. Surely it was an urban
myth, but the myth did have slivers of suspicion behind it, given how the towers
were continually in a state of flexion, with wind speeds and turbulance that could
very well have caused fatigue as anyone knows who's broken a piece of strong
steel by bending it back and forth repeatedly... the very high strenght steel of the
exterior flex may have been more brittle because of it, and never tested quite under
such conditions for fatigue.

It has no bearing on the demolition, rather bearing on the motive of why demolish.

At the time, anyone walking around downtown could not help to notice the asbestos
removal workers working from the stock exchange over on broad street over towards
the world trade center. Asbestos removal was something the public gave a wide berth
to, or at least those i knew, perhaps wisely so, why find out.... and the world trade
center was rumored to be an asbestos MINE, a place with so much asbestos, that it was
never ever intended for removal from the live structure.

For what its worth, if you didn't hang out round there, its what they said.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 03:52 AM
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4. Also, look at this photo from one of the links above
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 03:55 AM by Contrite
Found on the PhysOrgForum when I was Googling Sonnenfeld




Have you seen it before?

What's with that hole?
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 09:20 AM
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5. I dunno but it sure aint from corrosion
Looks like a puncture that occured when another beam was speared into it during collapse. It looks as if the impact also bent it.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 09:15 PM
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6. It appears to be at a point where the floor trusses were attached
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 09:16 PM by Contrite
to the peripheral columns. There are bolts. If a beam had speared this it would probably be shaped differently and it would probably still be stuck in the hole. Also, the edges are bent/curled up in an odd manner. It looks to me like an explosion hole.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 02:01 PM
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8. does not look like an explosion
No spalling around the edges. Any explosive large enought to punch a hole that size in structural steel would leave traces of blast effects around it. There are none.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 01:31 AM
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9. Do you think it's from shearing, then? n/t
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