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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 08:20 PM Original message |
Controlled Demolition Inc.'s phased CD of the Kingdome (with video) |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. What are you trying to say? |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Three things--on edit, actually, four |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. So what does this have to do with a steel framed building |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. This Kingdome was mostly reinforced cement, true. |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Why should dust clouds not look like dust clouds? |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. They had to explode the concrete, more than once, to turn it to dust |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. You didn't answer my question... |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Show me some photos of that and we'll both know. n/t |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. You seem to be deliberately missing the point |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Here's a photo of a concrete building that collapsed during construction |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Was that building constructed like the WTC towers? |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. No, it was far, far weaker than either tower |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Don't you think relative mass and velocity had something to do with it? |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 02:08 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. This physics professor doesn't think so |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Physics teacher, retired |
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rodmant (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. check my math - did this in a hurry |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. So what if he's retired? Ever hear of professor emeritus? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Who said he was a professor? |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. True. I looked for his curriculum vitae and couldn't find it. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Until Dr Jones submits his work for peer review |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
44. "The North Tower’s Dust Cloud" version 3.0... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Some people revise their work and improve it, and some people are |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Like Loose Change?... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. The third is due imminently. I hear it will be much improved. nt |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. 3rd time lucky, glad to hear it...nt |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 02:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Sal, you're framing the question dishonestly |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 02:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. VINYL FLOORING AND CARPETS!!!!!!! |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:05 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Vinyl flooring and carpets. Ridicule is not an argument in this forum. |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. And how does pulverized concrete/steel |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:24 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Who thinks the steel was pulverized? n/t |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Apparently Dr. Wood believes it was dustified, that there was |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Ok, anybody beside the dental engineer? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I don't know about dustified steel, but the 4" slabs of concrete |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Your model assumes a precisely vertical fall of the upper sections. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Try drawing some pictures and you'll see you're wrong. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Did the towers fall straight down without leaning? n/t |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 12:37 AM Response to Reply #49 |
62. Are you claiming it makes a difference? nt |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. It would certainly invalidate your model if they did. n/t |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 02:49 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. It certainly would not. Let's see some pictures. n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 02:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Your model is of floors falling down on each other perfectly. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 03:08 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I don't want you to post pictures of the tower leaning. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. CDI is the best in the business |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 02:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Who said I was surprised they were hired? n/t |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. what rigid concrete |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. That concrete was embedded in the steel trusses |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. there was no |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. MIT said the column cores were reinforced with concrete |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. sprayed concrete |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I was filling in the blanks for where concrete actually was. |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
13. Here are some more "items of interest". |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
14. so, help me understand this |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. http://wtc.nist.gov |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. sorry, but isn't that a little like |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. No, it isn't. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. wait a minute |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Prove it. n/t |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I once knew a bored, simple-minded shepherd |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
34. "the bible was peer reviewed"?! Holy fucking Jesus. nt |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:29 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Actually, it was. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:30 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. That's magnificent, Contrite. |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. I think it's pretty funny actually |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:42 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. what? you don't think other cultures have shepherds? |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Exactly... |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 02:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. And progressive collapse through gravity is faster than what? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. 20 seconds from the first explosion |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:17 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Again, that collapse is two phases that are nearly simultaneous |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:10 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. How long did phase I take? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:40 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. the two structures are so dissimilar that I'm not sure how |
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Contrite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. My point is that some phases might not be visible |
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