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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:48 PM
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A man who knew too much and died.
Back in 2001 I was focused on Hatfield author of "Fortunate Son", a book pulled from the bookshelves just before the 2000 election, then re-stocked after the election theft. Hatfield knew alot about the Bushies dirty secrets. He was suicided in late July 2001 his last article: "Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Bush, his business partner".



Jim Hatfield on bin Laden, Bush and attacks with highjacked airplanes -- July 2001

Linda Starr of Online Journal reminds us that in his last column for Online Journal before his death J.H. Hatfield, author of the controversial George W. Bush biography Fortunate Son: The Making of an American President, discussed oil business connections between George W. Bush and the bin Laden family and also talked about a possible attack on Bush by Osama bin Laden using highjacked airliners at the G8 summit in Italy that month.
Hatfield said, "According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives. Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?"

About a month and a half before his death, Hatfield said to me, "I don't know what it is about this book , but something really makes them crazy. They really just don't want this book out there."

Hatfield said he had received death threats from Bush friends and threats that named his wife and baby daughter. That was only the most chilling aspect of a vicious campaign to discredit the book by discrediting the author.

The charge that Bush had been arrested on a cocaine charge was brought out in an afterword to the book at the last minute at the urging of St. Martin's press, who hoped it would boost the book's sales. (It zoomed to the bestseller list immediately.) But that detail had eluded Hatfield until it started cropping up in other places, such as Salon. Then, he said, he went back to his sources and got confirmation off the record. Hatfield said the pieces were there in the text but he had not previously been able to put them together. "The piece about the community service just didn't fit," he said. "Why did this rich young playboy alcoholic pleasure seeker suddenly go do community service in a center for inner city kids." When the drug bust surfaced, it made the piece fit.



http://www.davidcogswell.com/Political/HatfieldPredictions.html
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:53 PM
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1. Um... why was this moved to the 9/11 forum???
Edited on Wed Oct-04-06 01:57 PM by Cooley Hurd
:shrug:

I was in the process of replying when it was moved.

My initial response was that "Fortunate Son" is a great book and I urge everyone to get a copy and read it...
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:54 PM
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3. My question exactly. n/t
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BrokenBeyondRepair Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:26 PM
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7. too much information for the modern 'thinking' public..
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:54 PM
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2. YES WHY????
Edited on Wed Oct-04-06 01:54 PM by seemslikeadream
why was it moved
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:46 PM
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8. because it is a "conspiracy"
and this folder is for all conspiracies.

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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:53 PM
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9. What is the conspiracy? (or Conspiracy Theory) EOM

EOM
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:24 PM
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10. All drugs related threads are considered a conspiracy
When you think crack
Don't think black
Think Cocaine Import Agency

Don't blink!

http://www.archive.org/details/ctc


A nursery at a finca in La Democracia, Huehuetenango, Guatemala

Hmm coffee. What do they use coffee for? (Watch Beverly Hills Cop if you don't know the answer) What other non-blooming tropical plant does Guatemala export?

Did you know that George W. Bush once visited that finca? So many exciting details of his youth seem to be unknown...

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:55 PM
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11. Stratford
I'm not implying anything with this story. Really I ain't. It's just pretty vague...

In 1971 Robert Gow who previously bought Zapata Oil from George H.W. Bush hired George W. Bush for Stratford.

Stratford is a Houston-based agricultural company with diverse interests: from cattle to chickens to indoor, non-blooming tropical plants (5). The origin of the group isn't clear, but it sounds like a part of the United Fruit Company which Gow merged with Zapata.

Stratford folded in such spectacular fashion it later inspired a case study at the Harvard Business School (1) and was acquired by Ralston-Purina and name changed to Green Thumb Co., Deco-Plants Co. (2)

George W. Bush's first job

George W. Bush's job has been reported as involving: (3)
  • flying planes to Florida to investigate plant nurseries
  • flying to Guatemala and other places in Central and South America
  • doing something with chicken manure fertilizer
  • analyzing expansion possibilities for the chicken and egg business
  • investigating the purchase of a mushroom farm in Pennsylvania and management training

    Plantation in Guatemala

    Stratfords holdings included a large finca in La Democracia, Huehuetenango, Guatemala where it raised nonflowering tropical plants for export, but no records seem to exist that can say where it was.

    Coincidentally the Cuban exiles of Operation Zapata (Bay of Pigs) were trained on a coffee plantation called 'La Helvetia' in the foothills between Quetzaltenango and Retalhuleu in Guatemala and flew in from Opa-Locka airport in Miami, Florida. According to E. Howard Hunt they were given two plantations, another being in the mountains. The plantations were given by Roberto Alejos, brother of Guatemala's Ambassador to Washington.

    George W. Bush in Guatemala
    A brief reference appeared in Bill Minutaglio's First Son: George W. Bush and the Bush Family Dynasty about a job that had been arranged for Bush in the early 1970s that involved horticultural operations in the United States and Central America. One executive, Peter C. Knudtzon, said he traveled with Bush to Orlando to check on a nursery and had gone with him on an excursion to Guatemala. (4)


    "We traveled to all kinds of peculiar places, like Apopka, Florida, which was named the foliage capital of the world," said Peter C. Knudtzon, another Zapata alumnus who was Stratford's executive vice president and Bush's immediate boss.

    Once or twice a month, Bush would announce that he had flight duty and off he would go, sometimes taking his F-102 from Houston to Orlando and back. "It was really quite amazing," Knudtzon said. "Here was this young guy making acquisitions of tropical plants and then up and leaving to fly fighter planes."

    Bush learned the ropes quickly, putting in long hours, and fitting in smoothly – but this wasn't the place for the impatient young man. He would later refer to his time at Stratford as a dull coat-and-tie job. Within weeks he was talking to Robert Gow and Knudtzon about his future, questioning, searching – but never coming to any firm conclusion. His bosses recall today that he was weighing whether he should pursue public service or stick it out in the business arena to build some security.

    Bush stayed at Stratford only about nine months, and by fall 1971 he was flirting – albeit very briefly – with running for the state legislature. The Houston Post reported the possibility in a story that misnamed him "George Bush Jr."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072899.htm


    Sources:
    1. http://www.wright.edu/business/docp/bvi/docs/MBA%20710%20syllabus%20final.pdf
    2. Originally at www.texasmonthly.com/mag/issues/2000-02-01/business.php (no longer online)
    3. http://stuartbuck.blogspot.com/2004/06/bush-in-early-1970s.html
    4. http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/061501a.html
    5. Why didn't they just call it coffee?? Everybody calls coffee coffee. I never heard anybody say that they wanted a cup of a non-blooming tropical plant.
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    happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 01:11 PM
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    13. Good question.
    Edited on Thu Oct-05-06 01:13 PM by happydreams
    Is it Ok to use the word "suicided"? :hi:
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    Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:02 PM
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    4. Thanks for posting this.
    It was intriguing enough that I went to Amazon and bought the book.
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    quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:07 PM
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    5. You won't regret it. It's very well written.
    The phrase that still stands out in my mind is that Bush had a "very special relationship" with his mother.
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    Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:18 PM
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    6. I heard he was breast-fed until the 10th grade...
    ...okay, not really.:rofl:
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    quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:13 AM
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    12. Eh?
    Just the tenth? ;)
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    happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 08:29 PM
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    14. Great! Thanks for the kudos.
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    Bryan Sacks Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 01:03 AM
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    15. Hatfield was not suicided
    read Mark Schone's "Unfortunate Con" to get the lowdown on Hatfield. He was a major-league con artist from the very credible-seeming reporting of Schone. As bad as Bush and Rove are, they almost certainly did not kill Hatfield.

    The story Schone wrote was commissioned by Rolling Stone, but they killed it when (Schone suspects) it didn't come out the way Rolling Stone wanted. Schone got it published in a collection entitled "Killed: Great Journalism Too Hot to Print" edited by David Wallis.

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    happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:44 PM
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    16. Heard it all before. But it is like Vreeland or anybody
    else who has an alleged checkered past. It doesn't matter if the facts they present are irrefutable. Whatever Hatfield reputation he did write that article in July of 2001 which is a portent of what happened on 9/11. That is the only relevant fact.


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