The explosions as the planes hit the buildings

[mogster]

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but what about the quality and color of the explosions as the planes hit the buildings?

From the plane that hit the South Tower:

At the impact side, the color is brown and grey, which is in strong contrast to the black plume shooting out of the other side.
Any explanation for this?

The same phenomenon occurred when the first plane hit the North Tower:

The same grey-brownish color, and the fuel sloshing out of the building.

Here's another angle for the South Tower hit:

There's a clear distinction between the two fires, even though it's the same thing burning on both sides of the building.
Did the plane hit an oil tank or something?

More of the ST:

Kerosene sloshing down the side of the building, and a light colored smoke.

Heres a comparison, look at the smoke plume rising from the fresh ST hit; it's almost the same color as the smoke now coming out of the burning North Tower:



I'm no expert on fires, but it looks like fat oil burning, not kerosene for jet fuel.

From another angle again, this shows the exit cloud is split in two; kerosene/dust flowing out under a fat cloud of a different texture and color.


The clouds on the impact sides does not turn black at any time, here's the plume left after the first hit:


And the cloud from the second hit has nearly finished it's expansion here, and merges with the smoke from the North Tower.


As the planes hit the building, you'd expect some kind of damage to their structure, especially as they traverse through a lot of concrete and steel on the way through the outer mesh. Now, I don't know why we don't see any folding of wings at all (as the official story of Pentagon uses as explanation), but you would at least expect the wings to start disintegrate once the plane is inside and the floor-trusses makes resistance. The plane that hit the ST covered many floors, so this would be probable.


If we then imagine that the plane loses it's main fuel load right inside, it then sloshes towards the core wall and back out the entrance hole. The plane parts slams against the core, then is jolted to the right, disintegrates and end up in the corner. Some of the fuel also passes through the building and out on the other side. But that doesn't explain the black cloud?

Here's a clip with a strange sound quality. I don't know why it's like that, but I listen to it with closed eyes. You can hear the slight sound when the plane goes through the outer wall, then two thumps as it slams the core and the southeast corner.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J0Qu6eyyr4c&mode=related&search=

All pics are grabbed from this youtube movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThPTduiA5jI&mode=related&search=

[Nozebro]

1. What kind of real airplane melts into a steel structure?

That only happens in cartoons, which is all the more reason why the "Osama Did It" conspiracy theory is as looney as the "War on Terror (Muslims)" -- using religion as a cover for the Evil Coveters aka Bushco in their thinly-veiled illegal wars conducted for the exclusive advantages which accrue to the greediest in our society.

[mrgerbik]

2. if you look closely

and observe the patterns, B*shCo appears to be a tool of leverage for the international globalist movement.

[TheWraith]

3. The combination of inertia and tensile strength is pretty simple.

Simply put, if you take a relatively lightly built object like an airplane, accelerate it to five hundred miles per hour, then throw it into a rigid structure, of course it's going to break apart. Do you expect that the airplane should have gone straight through the steel beams of the tower? I'm sure that would have been taken as evidence that it couldn't have been real either.

[tenseconds]

4. compare

The plane that hit the Pentagon except for the engine(s) and landing gear was broken up into small pieces but trusty Flight 175 slithered through the South Tower like it was made of soft clay. Go figure.

[TheWraith]

5. Was that supposed to make sense?

"but trusty Flight 175 slithered through the South Tower like it was made of soft clay. Go figure."

Where would you get a notion like that? The airplanes would have been turned into an unrecognizible mass of metal when they smashed through the towers. And don't forget that the Pentagon wall was made with 18 inches of steel reenforced concrete, a 6-inch Kevlar web, and 2-inch thick windows, which is a lot more durable than the thin safety glass and steel supports that made up the skin of the WTC. The towers were never designed to prevent blast penetration at that height, so external skin strength wasn't an issue.

[Nozebro]

6. The "airplanes" were extremely uncooperative on that occasion.

"The airplanes would have been turned into an unrecognizible mass of metal when they smashed through the towers."

[tenseconds]

7. WTC1 impact

Wouldn't the skin of the WTC1 sustain some crumpling and disfigurement upon impact and would not a part of the wings sheer off when hitting the perimeter columns? The appearance of the nose/fuselage from the exit hole raises questions. How can the "nose/fuselage" look so unscathed when it would have had to plow through at least one of the tower's floor and truss assemblies. The fuselage is 17 feet high and the each floor was no more than 13 feet in height.

[Nozebro]

8. Well, see, it wasn't just Bushco that was incompetent.

"How can the "nose/fuselage" look so unscathed when it would have had to plow through at least one of the tower's floor and truss assemblies."

[mogster]

12. Does the nose really appear?

I watched that footage, it's the first time I saw a nose-cone. And I've watched that explotions some times.
But I agree to the first part; that the plane should be damaged visibly as it entered the building. And also the wings should be ripped off. It's eerie to watch a soft wing-tip shear through steel like that.

[tenseconds]

18. exit and angle

There is some crumpling of the aluminum facade so I retract what I said in my initial post in that regard.. But look at the angle in which the plane enters the building.It seems odd that the plane would exit where it appears to.

[Nozebro]

19. Explosions cause crumpling, but a plane wouldn't cause the facade to

become bent OUTWARDLY as is clearly the case with some of the facade columns.

[tenseconds]

20. angle

What do you think about the exit point of the "plane"? And look at the angle of the facade imprint.

[Nozebro]

21. I think it's a CGI, inserted into the video for the purpose of making

it seem plausible to the public that "the plane" really did crash into the building and for proof of it, one of the "engines" from "the plane" was even found and in the video it (the "engine") can "actually" be seen exiting the building, along with Elvis (you have to look really close to see him, but he's there, or was there TCB).

[tenseconds]

23. impossible angle

Well...it gives itself away by the impossible angle that it is propelling itself out of the building.IMHO

[mogster]

25. It more than likely hit something

That made it change direction, not to mention disintegrate.
Are you believing that a plane did not hit the building? What is the scenario then?

[sabbat hunter]

16. planes did not melt

the planes did not simply melt into the buildings. to suggest that planes did not hit the towers to me is an insult to those who died on those planes and in the buildings.

[Nozebro]

17. You must not have seen any of the videos.

nt

[whistle]

9. It really looks like a large percentage of the jet fuel burned ....

...up on impact in those stills, plus in the video. The massive explosion and fire ball burns much like what is seen in movies. Then the fire settles back to the slow interior burn. Didn't some firemen reach the 78th or 80th floors where the fire was concentrated and radio to the ground dispatch that the fire could be brought under control?

I could barley make out the sounds you are referring to with all the background noise, but I'll listened again. Okay, I think I heard them this time. As the jet approaches the roar of the jet engines is heard. Then the plane rams into the building and there is a delay of the impact sound, followed by a thud sound. I could just barley make out a second thud, but the remains of the plane had already exited the opposite corner of the tower.

These sounds could be isolated by some expert sound analysis that filters out the background noise and synchronize the sounds to the visuals. That technology is widely available. You just need the ability to use it. I have no knowledge of that sort, but I do agree there are sound anomalies there. What those mean exactly, I think expert examination would reveal that.

[Nozebro]

10. What is the point you are trying to make/impart? EOM

nt

[mogster]

11. Here are two shots from a web cam, seemingly

Showing the first hit from another angle.



Seems the same happened there, the black cloud coming out on the back of the building, while the impact smoke is brownish.

You need to use headphones to hear the thuds clearly. Interesting that the plane already had entered the corner, I have to watch it with my eyes open too, I guess ;-)
I was just fascinated by the sound really. I could process it through a sound prog if we could get hold on an actual copy of the file.

[Nozebro]

13. How does this help answer the question of whether 9/11 was an inside job?

nt

[mogster]

14. You never know

[mogster]

15. Here's the video with sound corrected for time delay

And I also tried to remove some noise by taking out the area from 1 to 4 khz:

http://www.nitrogen.no/blogfiles/september2006/wtc2hitx.mpg

It's actually "whomp-thump-thump-thump" - three sounds after the initial.

Here's the sound in visual:


I saved some of the wavs if people would like to try to edit them, all is shortened somewhat.

Org sound:
http://www.nitrogen.no/blogfiles/september2006/orgsound.wav
Org sound with 1-4khz removed:
http://www.nitrogen.no/blogfiles/september2006/orgsound_min14khz.wav
Pitch shifted down 8, org eq:
http://www.nitrogen.no/blogfiles/september2006/pitch_shmin8org.wav
Pitch shifted down 8, 1-4khz removed:
http://www.nitrogen.no/blogfiles/september2006/pitch_shmin8min14khz.wav

[mirandapriestly]

22. The overall sound on that is the scariest thing.

Not the sirens and whatnot, but that creepy metallic sound.

[mirandapriestly]

24. "as it happened it" videos at youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cUEcgQiEWk&mode=related&search=
This links to the one I'm going to talk about, but there are about 13 put up by "goatpussy", and I hate to get into the "plane controversy", but I wanted people to see it.
This video interviews Sean Murtagh, who says he saw a commercial liner enter the wtc, and he describes it in detail, the way it sort of "teetered" before it went in, he said. But....Bryant Gumbel asks him where he is and he says he is on the 21st floor of 510 Plaza. First of all, it is unlikely that he would have a clear view from only the 21st floor of a building, but also, 510 Plaza is on 34th and 8th, which is over 3 miles away! So, first of all it is highly unlikely he would have a clear shot and 2nd there are pix from the Empire State building, which is about the same distance, with the "plane" approaching the wtc in the background and it is a tiny spec. Gumbel asked him where he was when he saw it too, so it's not like returned to his office after seeing it.

Then this is contradicted by two "on the street" non media/government witnesses who are both visibly surprised/confused to hear there was a "plane" AND they were right there. The first young woman says she is sure it is an explosion from the inside out, because stuff is explosing out of the building, she saw the explosion, the second thinks it is just weird that is a plane.

Btw, Walter Isaacson was the president of CNN at the time and he left to work for the Aspen Institute in 2003 (The Aspens turn in clusters...)
Guys, I promised myself not to get into the plane issue, but it is just too overwhelming that there is something very wrong.

[Clinton Crusader]

26. If the fires at the imapct zones were so horrific.....

Then how is it that a woman is able to STAND at the hole created by the first plane, looking out and down, (she ended up jumping) as well as other people in the same general area? And how is it that 2 firefighters are able to make it to the 78th floor and report that there are two small isolated pockets of fire we should be able to knock down with 2 lines ??

If the fires were so white hot, as is claimed, that they melted steel, causing the trusses to pull away, thus collapsing the buildings, HOW can people be standing there, with not a mark on them, and how could firefighters be there, reporting back?

This goes round and round my dinner table at least twice a week.

:kick:

[Nozebro]

27. "This goes round and round my dinner table at least twice a week."

If you want to advance the conversation, then maybe it would be better to focus on THIS: Was 9/11 an inside job?

[Clinton Crusader]

28. Oh that's been decided!

it's just no one can agree on what EXACTLY brought the towers down....

Silverstein said in a doc (also included in Painful Deceptions) that he and the FDNY decied to 'pull' WTC7...

:kick:

[tenseconds]

29. it matters

It was a controlled demolition,thats all that matters.