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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:47 AM
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Just watched "Loose Change" last night
My head is spinning. :wow:

I can't say that I agree 100% ..... but it's a real eye opener.

I want my parents to see this and get their take on it. My partner said last night "this is scaring the shit out of me".

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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:50 AM
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1. Was it second edition recut?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:51 AM
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2. 2nd edition.
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:55 AM
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5. I think Recut has
some corrections, nothing on the pentagon and for example footage of the B-25 crashing into the Empire State building in the 40's
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:53 AM
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3. You have a lot to catch up
Edited on Sat Sep-09-06 09:59 AM by FoxOnTheRun
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:05 AM
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8. Thanks!
I'll check them out as well.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:54 AM
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4. If you want to stop the spinning
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:05 AM
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7. Link didn't work.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:05 AM
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6. Yes, it's a good movie. The documentary footage is very powerful,
hearing the firefighters, seeing the slow-mo of the buildings falling, hearing the explosions as the news casters are broadcasting live.

I didn't accept 100% of the possible scenarios presented either, and I still don't, however I fully believe that 9/11 was a false flag operation run by a rogue faction of the US government/military/business alliance.



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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:06 AM
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9. The Pentagon stuff was very interesting.
Things that make you go "hmmmmmm?".
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 01:14 PM
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10. I've been reading "Synthetic Terror, Made in the USA," by
Webster Griffin Tarpley.

It's a well researched examination of 9/11 and related topics as false flag terrorism.

It can be read for free at the online library:

http://www.american-buddha.com/911.syntheticterrormadeusa.htm

From Tarpley book:

THE PARANOID STYLE

Objections to the 9/11 imposture in its official version are often dismissed as conspiracy theories. Supporters of the official version use this a term of contempt, even though it is clear that to label a point of view as a conspiracy theory is in no way to refute it. The charge or insult of conspiracy theory is not only demagogical, but also intellectually dishonest, since the official version, involving as it does Bin Laden and al Qaeda acting at a distance from remote caves with the help of laptops, represents a conspiracy theory of a peculiarly fantastic type. Implicit in this procedure is the assumption that a conspiracy theory which is endorsed and embraced by the controlled corporate media is no longer a conspiracy theory, but rather respectable, and presumed true. Minority views which are not supported by the controlled corporate media remain conspiracy theories, and cannot be credible, no matter how true they can be shown to be. To these applies the warning issued by the deranged prevaricator in the White House:

We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty. (UN General Assembly, November 10, 2001)

The entire controversy about conspiracy theory is a diversion, and is generally conducted in such a way as to lead away from the facts on the table. Charges of conspiracy theory represent in their own way a form of ideological terrorism, and grow out of the intellectual climate of cold war McCarthyite witch-hunts. Conspiracy itself has a history as long as humanity, since it is one of the primordial forms of political action. Machiavelli writes about conspiracy in a long chapter of his Discourses; what he means by conspiracy is a plot to kill a ruler and to seize power in his place, like the conspiracy organized by the Pazzi family against the Medici in the 1480s. Conspiracy is also an active category of the Anglo-Saxon common law.

Page 312

Conspiracy theory as a term of opprobrium is relatively new. It dates back to the work of Richard Hofstadter of Columbia University. Hofstadter was himself a kind of neocon ante litteram who became a direct beneficiary of McCarthyism: he took over a job vacated by Prof. Philip Foner, who had come under ostracism as a member of the Communist Party USA. In his essay on "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (1964) and in his other writings Hofstadter took issue with the 1880s-1890s prairie populist critique of international bankers, a critique which today seems prophetic in its foreshadowing of the destructive shenanigans of Lord Montagu Norman of the Bank of England during the interwar period (Norman was part of Brown, Shipley in London, the home office of Prescott Bush's Brown Brothers, Harriman in Wall Street) and of the International Monetary Fund during the entire postwar period. But for Hofstadter, radical critics of Anglo- American finance oligarchy were paranoids. His essay is doubly suspect because it appeared in the wake of the Kennedy assassination, and seemed to suggest that the many critics of the Warren Commission report were also -- paranoids. An interesting problem was posed for Hofstadter in that sophisticated western Europe, where populist paranoia was supposedly less strong, was even more critical of the Warren Commission report than was the alleged US citadel of paranoia.

Hofstadter's favorite habit of tarring political forces he did not like, such as the populists, with the brush of paranoia appears illegitimate. The paranoid typically fears that there is a conspiracy afoot specifically against himself. For Hofstadter, this notion becomes impossibly broad: anyone who thinks he sees a conspiracy anywhere is ipso facto a paranoid. What is lost here is the necessary reference point in reality: is there a conspiracy going on or not? US Attorneys have been proving the existence of conspiracies to juries for a long time, and they have generally escaped the charge of paranoia.

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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 01:36 PM
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11. Well let the terrorist speak for himself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5M0xtxQVQ

We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty. (UN General Assembly, November 10, 2001)
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