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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:22 PM
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9/11 and the Paranormal
There was a lot of paranormal activity going on that day. Predictions, mind reading, and sixth sense activity... oh my.

The following is for entertainment purposes only. Any other use is a thought crime, a violation of the law that will be prosecuted to the full exent possible.

Rumsfeld:

At a "terrorism meeting" that morning Rumsfeld predicted that a shocking event would occur
in the near future. He didn't say how near, however.

I had said at an 8:00 o'clock breakfast that sometime in the next two, four, six, eight,
ten, twelve months there would be an event that would occur in the world that would be
sufficiently shocking that it would remind people again how important it is to have a
strong healthy defense department.


http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t12062001_t1205sd.html


That same morning, after the attack on the WTC, his ESP tells him that there will be another attack, and Pentagon may well be the target. Though, for some reason, after the Pentagon is hit he goes outside to "determined what had happened". I guess he didn't trust his intuition as much as he should have.

Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defence, was in his office on the eastern side of the
building, in a meeting with Christopher Cox, the defence policy committee chairman of the
House of Representatives. Mr Rumsfeld, recalls Mr Cox, watched the TV coverage from New
York and said: "Believe me, this isn't over yet. There's going to be another attack, and it
could be us."



“I went outside to determine what had happened. I was not there long because I was back in the Pentagon with a crisis action team shortly before or after 10:00 a.m.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2001%2F12%2F16%2Fwbush16.xml


Cheney:


Cheney knows through intuition that an heroic act has taken place on Flight 93, while
everyone else is trying to figure out what happened.


It took the Pentagon almost two hours to confirm that the plane had not been shot down,
an enormous relief. "I think an act of heroism occurred on board that plane," Cheney said.
Later, reports of cell phone conversations before the plane crashed indicated that some
passengers had fought with the hijackers.



Earlier, Cheney knew it was al Qaeda without any investigation at all. Though George Tenet, while at breakfast, apparently knows it too, so maybe Cheney read some of Tenet's memos when others did not.

Additionally, when Richard Clarke got to the White House like Rumsfeld Crash-cart seems to think it's not over. He's not quite as sure of himself, however.

"It’s an al-Qaeda attack and they like simultaneous attacks. This may not be over."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42754-2002Jan26


Bush's Handlers:

Andy Card read the mind of the POTUS and knew he had no further questions after being told
"We're under attack".

The Secret Service also read his mind, via telepathy he must have commanded them to violate protocol and leave him sitting there. I can find no other explanation.

Somehow the Secret Service again know Bush is not threatened, though even Kindasleezy
thought he was. Air Force One took off 30 minutes after Rice states he should have a fighter
escort, without an escort and flies around in circles. AF One doesn't get an escort for another hour, though * by some accounts states, "Angel (the code name for AF One) is next." *'s ESP center is defective, as are other parts of his brain.

* * *


As an aside, there are interesting time synchronicities that morning. It seems as if nearly everyone finally got their heads together right around 10:00. Hour and a half too late - I guess that's good enough for government work, give these men a raise.

Gen. Montague Winfield takes control from Leidig at about 10:00 a.m.

Cheney reaches his bunker a little before 10:00 a.m.
Lynn Cheney arrives shortly thereafter and commences to fuck things up for the people trying to do their jobs.

"I can’t hear the crisis conference because Mrs. Cheney keeps turning down the volume on you so she can hear CNN ... and the vice president keeps hanging up the open line to you." Clarke notes that the "right-wing ideologue" Lynne Cheney frequently offers her advice and opinions during the crisis."

Rumsfeld by his own account joins the "crisis team" shortly before or after 10:00 a.m. Disclaimer here: Rumsfeld's accounting of his own time is in dispute.

Shortly before 10:00 a.m. (9:55) Air Force One takes off and * gets in contact with Crash-cart.

One minute before 10:00 (9:59) the White House requests the implementation of Continuity of Government measures. Though the paragraph is somewhat opaque, it makes it sound as if Stephen Hadley was the one making the request.

At 9:59, an Air Force lieutenant colonel working in the White House Military Office joined the conference and stated he had just talked to Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley. The White House requested (1) the implementation of continuity of government measures, (2) fighter escorts for Air Force One, and (3) a fighter combat air patrol over Washington, D.C.

Shortly after 10:00 a.m. Langley fighters reach Washington. (though, again, there are folks who contradict this and say it was 11:00)

One minute before 10:00 a.m. (9:59) the South Tower collapses.

At 9:59 Richard Clarke is told that the hijackers have al Qaeda connections - as Cheney and Tenet already knew. Poor Clarke the "terrorism czar," they just kept him out of the loop from day one unti the very end didn't they.

Between 10:03 and 10:10 (10:06 by most accounts) Flight 93 crashes and the horror is nearly over.

Then there are the late-comers - so everybody wasn't right in sync.

10:17 FAA finally gets over their "technical problems" and joins the teleconference at NMCC.

10:28 North Tower collapses.

10:30 Both Rumsfeld and Myers arrive at the NMCC (War Room) at this time. (Caveat: this is by most accounts - a couple of others put Rumsfeld there a little earlier)


Anybody got any other paranormal events or tales of synchronicity to tell?
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 01:27 PM
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1. Oh Geesh
I thought this was might have been a "woo woo" thread until I saw who posted it. LOL! Very good points, Sinti.

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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 01:59 PM
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2. I only heard about the anniversary
S&P's 9/11 'Tribute'

Numerologists scored on the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. Many people picked up on the fact the winning New York Lottery number on Sept. 11 was 9-1-1. A bit less noticed, except by hardcore participants in the stock-futures world, was that on the day before the 9/11 anniversary, this past Tuesday, the S&P futures contract closed precisely at 911.0 on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

Was the fix in? There was buzz on the Merc trading floor about this, but no reports of collusion. Futures had been rising all day, making the climb to 911 possible. (The S&P index itself traveled above and below 911 Tuesday, before finishing at 909.45.) "It was bizarre, it was strange, but it wasn't manufactured," said Richard Canlione, vice president of institutional financial futures at Salomon Smith Barney. "It was just the rules of coincidence. . . . That's just where the market was."


http://webreprints.djreprints.com/587261396651.html
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 02:14 PM
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4. Ah yes, the lottery, I forgot about that one.
The S&P never heard about that one, it must not ping the tinfoil meters for most of us ;)

9/11 Lottery = spooky weird
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 02:05 PM
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3. rumsfeld
Rumsfeld's quote always makes me laugh.

I had said at an 8:00 o'clock breakfast that sometime in the next two, four, six, eight,
ten, twelve
months there would be an event that would occur in the world that would be
sufficiently shocking that it would remind people again how important it is to have a
strong healthy defense department.


Way to pin it down.
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Ferry Fey Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 03:55 PM
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6. "Can we use the WayForward Machine, Mr. Peabody?"
Good catch, RedSock. :)

Never mind the "put" options before the attacks, it sounds like there was a run on purple turbans with silver stars .

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 04:01 PM
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7. Reminds me of when Rummy claimed to know the exact location
Edited on Sat Sep-02-06 04:11 PM by John Q. Citizen
of WMD in Iraq prior to the invasion, something like, "To the North South East West of Bagdad,
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 03:53 PM
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5. One matter - Cheney
This is very well done. Thanks.

Point of contention: Cheney was in the PEOC bunker by 9:20, according to Mineta and Clarke. This 10 am stuff is an invention of the 9/11 Commission and its desire to rationalize the various lies into a consistent novelization. It involves him sort of vaporizing in the tunnel to the bunker for about half an hour before reconstituting himself and walking in the door.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:39 PM
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8. Maybe Cheney was astral projecting, so he was both places at once. n/t
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 10:23 PM
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9. I should add...
Even Cheney was a source for his early arrival at PEOC, as cited tacitly by Bob Woodward in the Jan. 2002 series in the Washington Post.

The problem is that Cheney and Mineta both said the OTHER was working on response to AA 77.

In Commission world, there is no response to AA 77.

So you fix that by ignoring Mineta, making Cheney look a bit stupid (but not culpable), and shifting his arrival time in the PEOC (being hustled by anxious Secret Service) by a an incredible 40 minutes!

Then make sure you footnote the "PEOC log."

Oooookay.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 01:09 AM
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10. 9:03
what do you do about the white house photographer who says cheney was hustled out of his office by the secret service at 9:03 am?

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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:24 AM
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11. Okay - I can believe that. We can't really prove one or the other ATM
I kind of wonder why they don't see that leaving him out until 10:00 am makes him look suspicious. I find the whole excessively tardy, AWOL, lack of response thing to be very, very suspicious - but maybe that's just me.

I can't fix the OP - so we'll have to let it stand as an objection/correction here :)
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 07:17 AM
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12. Aren't there any cameras in the WH?
Why didn't the 911 Commission view the videos to establish a timeline?
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 11:57 AM
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13. Why didn't they check the phone records to settle the FAA vs. NORAD
time disputes? The damn 911 Commission was really clueless for a bunch of lawyers & legislators. Then again, they just wanted to come out with something to appease the public, to make it look like the government was doing something. :eyes:
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:46 PM
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14. Who made this statement which you quoted?

Earlier, Cheney knew it was al Qaeda without any investigation at all. Though George Tenet, while at breakfast, apparently knows it too, so maybe Cheney read some of Tenet's memos when others did not.

Additionally, when Richard Clarke got to the White House like Rumsfeld Crash-cart seems to think it's not over. He's not quite as sure of himself, however.

"It’s an al-Qaeda attack and they like simultaneous attacks. This may not be over."

===============

Was it CHENEY? I believe I've read the above quote elsewhere, but your post doesn't make it clear exactly who said it. "Rumsfeld Crash-cart seems to think..."
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 08:25 PM
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15. Sinti: Pls. respond to Post #14 Thanks. EOM
nt
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 01:28 AM
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16. Sorry, I didn't respond.
It was Cheney, found on the second page of the article in the Washington Post. Unfortunately, that page no longer exists, and good old WP has blocked Archive.org from traversing their site via the robots.txt file. :shrug:

You can find the quote here in the same context, but it's just somebody's site no cred, you know. Funny how these things are disappearing, I point to a link one day next day it's gone, sometimes even from from Archive.org.

http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/timeline.htm
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