9/11 5 Year Anniversary Weekend at GROUND ZERO

[rman]

You are cordially invited to be a part of history.

www.ny911truth.org

Come to NYC for the 5th anniversary of 9/11/01!
9/11 Truth Activists from around the nation will assemble for commemorative events including the Memorial Service at Ground Zero.

The weekend will be non-stop 9/11 Truth from Friday evening September 8th through Monday evening September 11th! Join us for events, films, keynote speakers, forums, and outreach actions!

Partial speaker list:
Alex Jones, Bob Bowman, Barrie Zwicker, Ralph Shoenman, Ian Woods, Barbara Honegger, William Pepper, Wayne Madsen, Jesse Richard, Jim Fetzer, Dr. Faiz Kahn, Kevin Barrett, Jim Marrs

Meet up with friends from across the nation on Friday evening at St Marks Church. Four excellent speakers are scheduled.

Saturday, Sept. 9th - Interact on the streets with New Yorkers as thousands of leaflets are distributed. Then from mid-afternoon, gather to hear speakers and
9/11 First Responders at Community Church.

On Sunday, Sept. 10th - Come to historic Cooper Union for education and strategy, world premier of Loose Change Final Cut and entertainment by
Immortal Technique.

On Monday September 11th - We anticipate having thousands of truth patriots in black T-shirts at Ground Zero, New York City at 8:00 am for a dignified, respectful display of solidarity with the victims and their families.

Join us as we make September 2006 "9/11 Truth Breakthrough Month" on the streets of Manhattan, on the web, and in the eyes of the world. Let's end the cover-up, investigate the evidence, and create a wave of justice to prosecute the real criminals!

Check back to the side link 'NYC Events' for last minute changes and additions!
Please forward this email widely, link below!


Friday, September 8
St. Marks Church 7:00 pm (doors open 6:00 pm)

'9/11 As Pretext For Afghanistan and Iraq Invasions'
Alfons Olzsewski, 9/11 Vets For Truth

Korey Rowe, producer of Loose Change 2

Elaine Brower, Member of World Can't Wait with a son currently in Iraq

'9/11 As Pretext for the Current Middle East Aggression'
Ralph Schoenman, from WBAI's Taking Aim

St. Marks Church
2nd Ave. & 10th Street
Donation: $7


Saturday, September 9
Union Square 11:30 am/ Community Church 3:00 pm - 9:30 pm

NYC 9/11 Grassroots Action

We're calling for hundreds of people to come participate in a huge outreach action to leaflet at least 7 areas of Manhattan. We will gather by the George Washington statue at the south side of Union Square along 14th Street by 11:30 am to pick up literature, and then spread out to areas such as Herald Square, the NY Public Library, Columbus Circle, Washington Sq. Park, and Ground Zero. Activists from NY 911 Truth will coordinate.

The Media, The Message, The Mandate
with guest speakers Jim Marrs,Tom Foti, Barry Chamish, Howie Hawkins, Sander Hicks, Barrie Zwicker, Frank Morales, Donna Marsh O'Connor (family member), 9/11 First Responders

Community Church
40 East. 35th Street
3:00 pm - 5:30 pm Session 1
Dinner Break 5:30 - 7:00 pm
7:00 - 9:00 pm Session 2
Donation (full day): $8


Sunday, September 10
Great Hall at Cooper Union 1:00 pm - 5:00 pm

9/11 Truth Breakthrough Rally

Education track: Judy Wood, Steven Jones, Jim Fetzer, Jesse Richard, Ralph Schoenman, Jim Marrs, Wayne Madsen

Solution track: Kevin Barrett, Ian Wood, Faiz Kahn, Bob Bowman, Barrie Zwicker, William Pepper, Ralph Schoenman, Barb Honegger, Lynn Pentz, Carl Person, Les Jamieson

Alex Jones

World Premiere of 'Loose Change 2 - Re-cut' containing new interviews and edits Dylan Avery, Jason Berman, Korey Rowe

Concert with 9/11 rap artist 'Immortal Technique'
Donation (full day): $11


Monday, September 11
Ground Zero 8:00 am - 2:00 pm St Marks 4:30 pm

Ground Zero Rally for Truth at the corner of Fulton and Church Streets.
The city's official plan for the September 11 memorial service will include four moments of silence to acknowledge the exact times when each plane hit and when each tower collapsed, as it has for the last four years.

The victims' names will be read by friends and family members. Church bells will ring.

We will all be wearing black 'Investigate 9/11' T-shirts and carrying cameras, DVD's, and leaflets. Please avoid confrontation and conduct yourself in the spirit of Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Louder Than Words will not tolerate or allow themselves to be associated with violence or disruptive behavior. They are bringing 10,000 Loose Change DVDs to hand out.

9/11 Truth Convergence
Gather back at St Marks at 4:30 for food, entertainment, open mike, video area, and networking with fellow national activists.

[canetoad]

1. Bit far for me

But if someone were to take a few vids and post them I'd be most appreciative.

[Blondbostonian]

2. Hey

I prefer this flyer:

[John Q. Citizen]

3. Very funny, except of course the need to produce a parody

suggests that in fact the 9/11 truth campaign is in fact moving along quite nicely.

I see we are past the "first they ignor you" phase.

Good!

[carlvs]

5. Actually it is the treatment it deserves... (nt)

[carlvs]

4. This is all the left needs (NOT!!!)

So basically what you all plan to do is to spread 9/11 conspiracy bullshit, antagonize everyone who doesn't believe that bullshit, give away 10,000 bullshit DVDs, and help the efforts of the right to make all liberals and progressives look like kooks and loons.

The GOP would like to thank you in advance for your work. This should really help us in our efforts for the upcoming mid-term elections... :argh:

edited: spelling

[John Q. Citizen]

6. Yeah, they said the

same thing about Cindy Sheehan, and before that they said the same thing about Howard Dean becoming head of the DNC.

The fear is almost palpable, isn't it?

[mogster]

7. "The left"?

You mean the centrists, the moderates, surely?

Why is it kooky or loony to ask questions about the event that has enabled Bush' wars, Bush' surveillance programs, Bush' military spending and nearly every other political change he's arm twisted upon the Am. people?

Devil's advocating and scepticism is reasonable and sound, but branding people as kooks and loonies because they're asking for a reopened investigation is not productive.

[Blondbostonian]

8. Exactly

I couldn't say it better myself Carlvs. These CTers are an absolute joke that could make a difference in some elections if they get enough press.

[Bryan Sacks]

9. your laughable attitude

Let me introduce you to an article of your faith: "if we lefties wash our hair and talk real nice, we just might be able to convince the middle that we're the good guys, not the Republicans!" You'd be better off having a conversation with a corpse. At least you wouldn't be fooled into thinking you might change its behavior through rational appeals.

You understand nothing about the current dynamics of social change. I'm all for respectability when it doesn't interfere with inquiry, but your cherished liberal respectability has gotten you, and will get you, exactly nowhere in terms of real social change toward a progressive platform.

The fact that so many 9/11 theories are nonsense is of no great consequence - except to the hand-wringers on the left obsessed about respectability. The GOP attacks both sound and unsound theorizing from the left with equal verve. The 'middle' is largely impervious to rational argument, because they are plugged into a much more powerful electronic reality beamed into their living rooms every day.

Just do good work and ignore the bad work. Work for change in this slow way. Reject the sellouts in both parties who are committed to the ruinous status quo. To hell with respectability when it interferes with principle.

That's the program, carl.

[greyl]

11. ad hominem, strawmen, and red herring.

Madsen, Fetzer and their ilk aren't progressive thinkers. They are regressive.
If they vote Democratic, that's fine by me.
They aren't bastions of liberal thought.

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[greyl]

16. Yes, the Wayne Madsen who is mentioned in the OP.

The same Wayne Madsen whose website is banned from being linked to here at DU.
The same Wayne Madsen who is a professional conspiracy theorist.

I'm getting the impression that your posts are designed to attempt to discourage people you disagree with from expressing themselves.

[Name removed]

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[greyl]

10. I don't think it'll be pretty.

They don't to pay respects, they want attention. Based on past performance, some pockets will resort to ugly, insensitive tactics similar to Rev. Phelps. www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/default.asp

[John Q. Citizen]

12. Yeah, that's what they said about the anti war march during the

Republican convention.

The fear is palable, isn't it?

[greyl]

15. Equivocation, strawman.There's nothing wrong with anti-war marches

I've been to a few myself, and can prove it.

[John Q. Citizen]

18. I agree. There is nothing wrong with anti-war marches, but that didn't

stop a bunch of "nervous nelly's" from predicting all kinds of dire results.

I've been to more than a few, myself.

I got kicked down the street by a tact squad cop once for protesting Nixon's invasion of Cambodia. That wasn't my first or last anti war demonstration by the way.

I did clinic defense in DC on the 20th anniversary of Roe V Wade.

I've marched with Jessie Jackson in support of workers rights.

There is nothing wrong with demonstrating for 9/11 truth, but that doesn't stop a bunch of "nervous Nelly's" from predicting dire result's now does it?

Nelly?

[greyl]

19. Look, the main event is the anniversary of 9/11.

I'd presume that most in New York City will be in a mourning state of mind, like at a gravesite.
That's why I brought up Fred Phelps who protests at funerals.

If there were a march, protest, walk-out, or sit-down organized by people who demand more answers about 9/11 in which it were the main focus, I would'nt have the least bit of a qualm about it.

[John Q. Citizen]

20. The Jersey Girls are releasing stuff about 9/11 now. There is a

movie coming out about them and Paul Thompson's time line. There is a book. There is the networks pushing the OCT, there is a surge of interest into what really happened as opposed to the white wash called the 9/11 commission.

My feeling is that there is no time like the present to demand a full and non-politicized investigation. Demonstrations, teach-ins, and events around that issue are all appropriate and necessary.

Perhaps you would like to organize a counter demonstration to demand that American's accept the 9/11 commission report as gospel and to quit asking questions. Or whatever you feel is appropriate. Fine by me. :)

[greyl]

21. Why do you find it necessary to

repeat the straw ad hominems that I "accept the 9/11 commission report as gospel" and I want people to "quit asking questions"?

That is a rhetorical question.

[John Q. Citizen]

22. I was only suggesting that if you find teach-ins, presentations, and

demonstrating in New York during the 5th aniversary of thew 9/11 attacks to be inappropriate, that perhaps you might want to consider taking action to counter them.

Your rhetorical question brings up some interesting non-rhetorical questions.

What about the 9/11 Commission report do you find unreliable? Are you in favor of a new and complete investigation?

[Name removed]

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[mrgerbik]

13. what in the hell

does the 9/11 truth movement have to do with partisan bullshit?

Absolutely nothing.

[greyl]

17. The fact that it happened on bush's watch, for one. nt

[petgoat]

25. That's not sufficient. A sneak attack could have happened

to anyone.

In Bush's case, warnings from 11 foreign countries and 3 FBI offices were ignored,
evidence was destroyed and suppressed, and investigation was opposed.

So what's partisan about objecting to that? If Gore did it, I'd object.

[TAM]

23. Respect would be best...

Based on discussions I read involving certain elements of NYC law enforcement etc..., I would say that acting in a civil and respectable manner would be the prudent thing to do. Do you think that none of these people or people they know hear the plans that the "truth" movement have for 9/11. They know about the protest, and what not, and of course despite the CT extremists thinking America is already a police state, it is not, and civil and respectable 9/11 protests will be tolerated if not appreciated. That said, IMO, disrespecting or bothering those poor people who are mourning the loss of a loved one, will NOT be tolerated. I think that includes getting in their face, and shoving a DVD or T-Shirt at them. That would also include yelling "BUSH did it" or "9/11 was an inside job" at them as they walk by you.

Unfortunately, from what I have seen wrt the actions of "Certain" 9/11 truth movement representatives, I don't think respect will be observed by some...

[John Q. Citizen]

26. Do you have a link to those discussions involving certain elements...?

That would be an interesting read.... thanks

Also, if you read the OP, no where is the term "protest" used. That is your word.

Your use of the word "extremists" is not very civil nor is it respectful of people who might hold a different opinion than yourself.

To suggest that handing out a free movie or T-shirt is equivalent to "...getting in their face, and shoving a DVD or T-Shirt at them"
seems a little over the top.

Ever hear about Cointelpro?" One of our governments tactics was planting agent provocateurs in peaceful gatherings to incite a police response. We know that isn't necessarily equivalent to a "police state" but it's getting close.

I hope those of us who show up bring our camcorders, our kids, our grandkids, our grandmothers and lots of flowers.

Unfortunately, from what I have seen of the tone of certain posters in this thread, it may be necessary, in order to preserve a civil and respectful event.

The only thing we have to fear, is fear, itself. Right Tam?

[TAM]

27. Some comments

JQC:

I would like to maintain a reasonable conversation on this forum. The reason I joined here, was in my "Lurking" I found that most people here were open to honest discussion of the issues. I hope you are one of those people.

I have seen the word "Protest" or "march" used here frequently, and often interchangably, so try no to pick my wording apart, my intent, with that particular word, was not malicious. I respect the right to "Protest" or "March".

With regards to my wording over handing out shirts/dvds, I base it on what limited things I have seen, along with testimony from eye witnesses who have gone down to GZ almost every weekend over the last 2 months to observe those who are there to promote the "Truth". What I have witnessed, is that seen on the LC "Extra Footage" where Jason Bermas gets into a row with an Auxillary Fireman about the "appropriateness" of what he was doing, and the place he was doing it at. Watching that video I was horrfied at the crass demeanor Bermas exhibited. If he had any respect, and realized who he was talking to he would have just shut up, but he didn't, he kept on taunting the guy. Now if you are telling me that this is an acception to what will occur on 9/11/06, then I am pleased.

With respect to those who have posted about their excursions to GZ, they have been ridiculed aloud, they have had people physically prevent them from posting signs, they have been called names. Is this appropriate behavior for a "peaceful" protest/march/gathering/whatever. Once again, if you tell me this is different from what will happen on 9/11/06, then I am pleased.

Let me ask you this. If you were at a friends funeral, would you want someone at the gravesite, or even at the entrance to the cemetery, chanting out slogans, selling items related to the death, handing out T-shirts, or DVDs. I 100% believe in ones right to sell things, or to protest, or to debate a pov, but GZ on 9/11 is not the time or place. However, living in a free nation, it is your right, their right, to do so...just poor taste.

As for the use of the word "extremist", it is a word one can use for any radical subgroup of a larger group that takes the views of the larger group to an "extreme". I was not calling all "Truth" proponents this. I have rational discussions with alot of them, and most "Truthers" who I talk to will likely tell you I am one of the more civil of those on "the other side"...so to speak.

If you want to see what a police state would look like, take a look at North Korea. They take you out infront of your own village and shoot you if you speak against the regime there.

[John Q. Citizen]

31. If you take a look at the OP of this thread, it has the schedule of events

and it has a description of the events as envisioned by the organizers.

Your last post seemed to contradict the schedule and the descriptions.

Perhaps you have inside information that contradicts the OP(I don't profess to have any information other than what I read in the OP) perhaps you don't. Do you have any links to these posters who have gone to GZ that you speak of? I have been here regularly about a month in the 9/11 forum and haven't seen any posts about excursions to GZ that resulted in events as you describe.

I assume that the survivors of those killed at GZ have already attended funerals for their friends and loved ones. So to characterize the 5th anniversary of the attacks as a funeral seems a tad disingenuous. unless you are advocating holding yearly funerals.

I wouldn't want a military parade, tanks and armored vehicles, politicians, vendors, strangers, a parade, at a funeral for a loved one, however, on Memorial day, it seems OK to me. But memorial day isn't a funeral. It's a holiday. A memorial day.

Police states come in many different packages. If N. Korea is the country that you identify as a police state, fine. My definition is a little broader than that, but N. Korea would also certainly fit under my definition. But so would many other places. And many of those places you can speak against the leader without being shot, so long as speaking against the leader makes no difference as to who is leader. Most police states have become much more sophisticated than North Korea in recent times. In fact, many are set up to convey the image that they aren't police states at all. The most succesful are like that. . Mexico up until 2000 was like that. It was the longest running dictatorship on earth when they finally yielded. Previous to 2000, they held elections, they had a "free" press, and they had one party rule enforced by a police state that only got violent when it had to, to maintain one party rule. Ask the Zapatistas, or the 200+ people killed at the stadium in Tlacteloco if you don't believe me. Or the people assassinated or disappeared when they got too upity.

By the way, do you have a link to discussions by certain elements of law enforcement that you mentioned reading in your previous post?
Or is that a private forum?

Thanks.

[TAM]

32. replying to your questions

1. The person who I was speaking with does not wish to be involved in discussions of this nature, or named. I know that greatly reduces the weight of the comment, and that is fine, as it is not exactly a critical point to some particular aspect of 9/11. I will respect his right to privacy.

2. The "excursions" I refer to are this. Several People who post at the JREF (Please don't groan, they are legitimate despite what others may say about the forum), their names on that forum are "Gravy" and "Abbyas", as well as "Realitybytes", have publicly posted on that site that they go down to GZ most weekends. While down there, they witnessed or encountered the things I mentioned in my post. If you wish to go to JREF and lurk around the "Loose Change" Forums, and you want to dig back about 30 or 40 pages into the most recent thread on the subject, you will find this info.

3. I retract "funeral", and replace it with "memorial". It is hard to say what GZ on 9/11 should be called. It is obviously much more than a memorial, but you are right, it is not a funeral in the traditional sense, and I admit it was misplaced using the term in that context. Still, all that said, When I visited the Vietnam War memorial in DC, the thing I noticed the most was the eery silence that was observed by all who were there. There was very little if any noise there. I guess my point is that certain "memorials" truely deserve a reverence. That said, it is hard to provide 9/11 with the reverence it deserves when it is going to be covered by hundreds of media etc...A final note. My characteriszation of it as a "funeral" was not disingenuous, but rather, it was a mischaracterization, undeliberate in nature.

4. I guess we will agree to disagree on how broad or narrow our definitions of "Police State" are. Fair enough.

I hope this answers your questions.

TAM

(Oh, you can find my postings there as well).

[John Q. Citizen]

33. Thanks for your reply. I had to google JREF but then

realized who (and what) the JREF is about. Doesn't bug me a bit. In fact, my mom (when she was alive) subscribed to the Inquiring Skeptic magazine, so I know where you are coming from. so to speak

As to point #2, I would agree that no one likes to be disrespected, whether by heavy handed cops or by someone advocating for 9/11 truth. However, all cops aren't heavy handed and all 9/11 truth advocates aren't obnoxious. This tendency of humans to generalize the whole based on the action of one or a few is of course the basis of all prejudice. I hope your skeptic friends will try to be skeptical about their own experiences at least when it comes to generalising based on those experiences.

As to point #3, I accept your retraction.

As to #4, I agree to agree to disagree. As you say, fair enough.

While I was googling I came accross this, (link below.) I thought you might find it interesting. I did. I am an agnostic and based on the info on the web page (under the heading (Variation and Change Among Skeptics,) I guess I have to describe myself as a "true skeptic, or a "scientific skeptic," as opposed to a "hard skeptic."

Have a good one.


http://www.temple.edu/isllc/newfolk/skeptics.html

[The Straight Story]

24. and they will bitch if bush talks about 9/11 saying he is using it

for political means, when some folks who are bitching will be doing the exact same thing...

[frylock]

29. yes. the best thing to do would be to ignore junior's politicizing..

of 911. Just ignore it, and it will go away. That strategy worked so well with the Shrimp Boat Veterans.

[The Straight Story]

30. Wasn't saying we should ignore it

Just that both sides seem, at times, to want to use 9/11 as a political bullwhip while bitching that the other side is doing it and saying the practice is wrong.

Simple and to the point: 9/11 IS political and there is no reason why both sides should not explain to the american people what 9/11 has to do with their political agenda (ie, one side can say we are using it to show we are vulnerable and we can stop another one, the other side saying the first side failed, etc and so on).

That day affected the entire country and people still want action and results - if a politician can explain how they plan to achieve those I say go for it, but each side condemning the other for using it is a tad silly.

[DoYouEverWonder]

36. Oh my

how dare anyone ask questions about 9-11.

How dare anyone doubt the official line of bullshit.

[HughBeaumont]

37. Precisely . ..

. . . why I have this ad-hominem-tossing joker on ignore.

What amazes me even further is how many people may watch this Bush-praising, Clinton-hit piece on ABC next week and believe it because they can't read.

[greyl]

38. I doubt that it will be the same group of people.

regarding:

What amazes me even further is how many people may watch this Bush-praising, Clinton-hit piece on ABC next week and believe it because they can't read.

[John Q. Citizen]

34. Kicking for truth! n/t