So have any religious organizations spoken out on Crop Circles?

[Bandit]

Are they considered "intelligent design"? Are they considered natural occurances? Plasma Storms or some such or are they considered made by humans even though we can't duplicate their method of creation? Anyone here have any ideas? :wtf: is going on?

[Finder]

1. I assume even the religous know they are simply human art...n/t

[WinkyDink]

2. "Simply human art"? Link?

Not to mention it is a world-wide phenomenon, with many grains, in both space and time.

[Finder]

4. You must be joking....but if not...

http://www.circlemakers.org/

[KittyWampus]

12. circlemakers have failed to demonstrate all the earmarks that can be found

in non-circlemaker formations.

Why is it they can't reproduce ALL earmarks on demand?

[Finder]

14. Have a link? n/t

[TlalocW]

18. My mother plays piano but isn't skilled enough to play Beethoven

Therefore only aliens can play Beethoven.

I'm a magician on the side, but I can't do a one-handed triple-cut with a deck of cards. Thus, only aliens can do it.

Different "circlemakers" have different skill levels. Just because the ones that were asked couldn't do it doesn't mean there are none who can. I would also hazzard a guess that these "circlemakers" who are that skilled may not wish to show how they do the advanced stuff because it makes them special. I may show someone how to do a simple magic trick when asked, but I'm not going to explain my best stuff.

TlalocW

[immoderate]

32. "...but I'm not going to explain my best stuff."

So why would you think the circle makers would?

Aliens? Is that a bit of a leap? Are you part of the UFO crowd?

--IMM

[TlalocW]

35. That is my point. I believe you're misreading my post.

I'm being sarcastic with the Beethoven and magic tricks stuff, and I am stating that I believe that there are circlemakers who don't want to reveal all.

Read again please.

TlalocW

[immoderate]

37. Oops!

This thread is growing faster than a crop circle! (Hey I can do a pretty good back-palm with a business card. Works great on job interviews!)

--IMM

[screembloodymurder]

54. Bush made em

to divert attention from the WTC demolition.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. So, you're saying that a lack of evidence constitutes disproval of the

hypothesis?

Better tell your pals at the Discovery Institute.

Oh, and by the way, you're wrong. It's extremely well verified that these are a human phenomenon. Artistic, impressive, even beautiful. But perfectly well explained, and repeatedly so.

[TlalocW]

8. What does it being a world-wide phenomenon have to do with anything?

It's basically a bunch of pranksters who are good at visualizing art going out with large boards to flatten crops to make pictures. It can be low-tech from using blueprints and tape measures to figure out where to trample to GPS devices now. Are you saying artistic and mathematical ability are NOT world-wide phenomena?

There have been many documentaries done by the people who create these crop circles that show exactly how they do it. It's not up to us - the skeptics and the people who have shown how they do it - to prove that every instance of a crop circle is NOT something otherworldly. If you claim that there are crop circles not done by humans then the responsibility falls on you to prove it.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. Hop to it.

TlalocW

[Iwasthere]

5. WRONG

Some highly intricate designs that scientists have said would take weeks to duplicate turn up in hours or LESS! Even if 200 people went out in the fields and worked diligently they could not create many of these circles. Granted some are indeed human made (the crude small ones). Take a look at the pics opf the major ones, you will be a believer!

[Finder]

9. A believer? I believe in crop circles already. I also believe humans...

made them. Do you have a specific circle in mind?

[TlalocW]

31. Just because a scientist says it

Doesn't make it true.

Uri Geller and a whole host of other "supernatural" types of people fooled and continue to fool scientists with amateurish magic tricks.

What kind of scientists said these couldn't be duplicated? How are their particular branches of science even related to crop circles? If a marine biologist says a certain electrical circuit won't function like it's supposed to, do I believe him?

TlalocW

[JackRiddler]

51. This is an outrage

Who can defend having this in a 9/11 forum?

It's not even a "conspiracy" topic.

[Ian David]

3. Every crop circle is made by humans. There's a video that teaches you how

[Iwasthere]

7. yes

you can make small crude ones. The advanced ones cannot be duplicated. GEESHH!

[KittyWampus]

16. Actually, quite elaborate ones have been made by humans... but they

don't exhibit the same level of alignment or all of the variations that non-human circles have.

And there's a lot of debate amongst those who accept Nature-made circles as to which ones are or are not human-made.

I really don't understand why some people have to start theorizing about aliens though.

Nature is perfectly capable of expressing intricacies.

[immoderate]

17. We can create great cities...

But we can't stomp a pattern into the ground? How is this possible?

--IMM

[SpiralHawk]

25. Got a link to these great cities?

I mean ones that don't trash their environment?

I don't believe they exist. Therefore, they don't.

[immoderate]

34. Non-sequiter anybody?

Paris and Washington DC are laid out in circles. Who said anything about pollution? If people lived in crop circles, there wouldn't be pollution? How do you figure?

--IMM

[Bandit]

15. How do they blow out the nodes?

How do they do it without any bruising what-so-ever of the crops? No broken stalks or any indication they have been touched by human hands or feet. :shrug: They have tried microwave and have not been able to duplicate the desired results. I think there is much more involved than what your video would suggest..

[Ian David]

43. Wooden 2x4 planks replicate every aspect of any crop circle. Period.

It's a hoax.

The so-called Cereologists who make far-fetched claims of "miraculous" crop circles are often in on the joke.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

6. There are a lot of religious people

that have fallen for the hoax of the crop circles. Some people are just more gullible than others.

[immoderate]

10. Got this great deal on a bridge for you...

It connects Brooklyn and Manhattan. It's old, but serviceable. I'll let it go cheap, seeing as how I like you. Waddya think? You interested?

--IMM

[Beelzebud]

11. We can't duplicate their method of creation? LOL

Boy oh boy....

[Iwasthere]

13. go to this website

http://theconversation.org/booklet2.html

I challenge you to flip through the pages there and then tell me man can make these.

[Beelzebud]

19. Challenge taken: People made all of those.

[Iwasthere]

21. an explanation

Read this then tell me that they are all hoaxes

http://www.qsl.net/w5www/cropcircle.html

[Finder]

23. Okay, I read it. THEY ARE ALL HOAXES....actually I see them as art.n/t

[salvorhardin]

28. Not all hoaxes

Some are just done for the fun of it.
http://lug.oregonstate.edu/index.php/Projects/Firefox/Firefox_Circle

Oh, and your source is repeating unevidenced claims.

In genuine formations there is also a disruption of the plant's crystalline structure, as microscope photos demonstrate. Yet in all cases, the plants are not damaged and will continue to grow if left untouched. In fact in some cases, the swirling patten has been observed to actually turn around and produce the pattern in the complete opposite direction.

Although Levengood finds a correlation between "structural and cellular alterations" in plants and their location within crop-circle-type formations (as opposed to those of control plants outside such formations) <1>, he should know the maxim that "Correlation is not causation." As the noted Temple University mathematician John Allen Paulos recently demonstrated-quite tongue in cheek-there is a direct correlation between children's math ability and shoe size! <9> Comments statistician Rand Wilcox of the University of Southern California: "Correlation doesn't tell you anything about causation. But it's a mistake that even researchers make." <9>

That Levengood's work does not go beyond mere correlation in many instances is evident from his frequent concessions: For example, "Taken as an isolated criterion," he says, "node size data cannot be relied upon as a definite verification of a `genuine' crop formation." <1> Again he admits, "From these observed variations, it is quite evident that pit size alone cannot be used as a validation tool." <1>

Even his alleged correlations are suspect. Citing variations in pit expansion and node size in plants from within the formations, he states: "These energy distributions are by no means uniform."<10> Again, he cites formations where there were increases in plant pit size well outside the formations, saying that "some 20 feet out is the farthest I've seen this energy carryover and so even those crops were standing upright and looked perfectly normal they had been hit." He attributes this to "several different kinds of energy" being involved. <10>

He thus gives the impression that, like Meaden, he is constantly rationalizing new data and attempting to fit it in to preconceived vortex notions. Apparently no one has yet independently replicated Levengood's work. One scientist from Colgate did attempt to verify his seed germination claims using some of his seeds but without success.<10> Apparently few mainstream scientists take Levengood's work seriously other than one or two friends who wish "to remain anonymous because of the ridicule. <10>
http://www.csicop.org/sb/9606/crop_circle.html

[Beelzebud]

30. I always knew Firefox wasn't made by humans! Now there is proof.

LOL

[Beelzebud]

29. Well hey Col. Corso said it's true, so it must be.

He would know! He handled the alien bodies at Roswell!!!!111

If he says they're diagrams for integrated circuits, they must be!

Please..

[immoderate]

22. People made those.

--IMM

[Bandit]

27. I particularly liked the human face

I recently saw a show about these circles and the human face from fifteen hundred feet was unbelievable. I think people need to pay attention to what is going on here. It isn't human IMO.

[immoderate]

36. Alien technology hasn't progressed past half-tone printing?

The way the face was done is a sure-fire tipoff it was done by humans.

--IMM

[greyl]

50. Humans fucking rock, don't they? ;) nt

[Warren DeMontague]

20. They are completely natural occurrences.

Done by hairless, domesticated primates with wood planks and rope, all of which are also completely natural occurrences.

[hatrack]

24. I didn't know a couple of guys with rope & boards merited theological talk

:eyes:

[CrispyQ]

33. Who cares? Barkeep! Pour me another!

http://www.realbeer.com/news/articles/news-002313.php

snip...

Crop Circle Beer
Long Island man imports grain from England for beer of mystery

Aug 27, 2004 - A Long Island man has partnered with Blue Point Brewing Co. in Patchogue, N.Y., to sell a beer that stems from his fascination with crop circles, the mysterious shapes, some circular, that began appearing in English grain fields in the 1970s. Dudley Cates' Corp Circle Beer is brewed with barley grown in one of those fields.

"There's something very interesting as yet unexplained going on in those fields," Cates said. "Crop circles carry an aura of mystery. I thought to myself, this phenomenon is real."


Cates has been trying to develop a commercial beer for four years, starting with a microbrewery in Northern California and later at a Hartford brew pub. A partnership dispute and his inability to find someone to bottle the California beer put a quick end to that venture. The Hartford beer, a pale ale brewed with leftover malt from the California attempt, garnered little interest.


Now, Blue Point Brewing Co. is brewing the an English-style golden amber ale using Crop Circle Optic pale malt from Warminster Maltings in Wiltshire, England.

[TlalocW]

38. Let me also say that I grew up in Kansas

In a house that had a backyard that butted up against a wheat field. You can walk through a wheat field without leaving an obvious path. Your body will knock the wheat out of your way as you walk, but unless you're stepping directly on the stalks and breaking them, the top parts of the wheat will sway back into their original positions.

TlalocW

[Retrograde]

39. The only appropriate thing for a religious organization

to say about crop circles is: If it's your land, it's your business but if it's not you shouldn't tramp all over other people's crops without their permission. Oh, and when you're done we can put you in touch with this nice food bank....

I think the whole "phenomenon" comes from too many people living in cities and suburbs away from large fields of grasses so they don't understand 1) how grasses behave and 2) how patterns can be made in the fields with some determined people, very simple tools and the right timing.

[PADemD]

40. Before you all decide that crop circles are made by humans,

please check out the work on Cymatics by Dr. Hans Jenny. I have his book, and the images are amazing and beautiful and some very much resemble crop circles.

snip

"Cymatics, the study of wave phenomena, is a science pioneered by Swiss medical doctor and natural scientist, Hans Jenny (1904-1972). For 14 years he conducted experiments animating inert powders, pastes, and liquids into life-like, flowing forms, which mirrored patterns found throughout nature, art and architecture. What's more, all of these patterns were created using simple sine wave vibrations (pure tones) within the audible range. So what you see is a physical representation of vibration, or how sound manifests into form through the medium of various materials."

http://www.cymaticsource.com/

[Ian David]

44. I've wasted enough time debating this stupidity.

You can't teach a pig to sing. It only wastes your time and annoys the pig.

I've wasted enough of my time.

I've thrown-up my hands in frustration.

All I'm going to do is go on-record, so the occasional visitor to DU who might wander across this nonsense will know that not all of us are morbidly gullible woo-woos.

All crop circles are made by people.
It's a hoax.
It's a huge practical joke.
Many very smart people fell for it.
Do not be ashamed if you fell for the joke.
Be ashamed if you're still buying the stupid books about crop circle "miracles."

[Greyskye]

41. Yes.

The Pastafarian Faith has declared that all crop circles which are not man-made were created by The Flying Spaghetti Monster. They were touched by his noodly appendages!

[Beelzebud]

42. LOL

[Greyskye]

45. HUH? Crop circles = 9/11 ????????????????????????

:wtf:

[rman]

46. certainly would not be appropriate for the skeptics forum, would it?

:sarcasm:

[greyl]

49. There isn't a skeptics forum.

There is a skeptics' group, which is different. Threads from the main of DU are never moved into groups.

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. Yeah - The Lounge I could understand

or maybe Religion and Theology, since it asks if any religion thinks they're genuine. While I can see the idea behind "September 11" meaning "anything discussing alleged government conspiracies", putting crop circles in here seems slapdash. I don't think anyone's blamed them on the Republicans yet.

[MervinFerd]

47. Yeah. They're against destruction of property and waste of food.

Those corn fields are MONEY.

The farmers gotta be pissed about having big circles knocked down.

Harvesting machine won't harvest it, even if the corn was mature.

Just a waste.

[wildbilln864]

52. This thread does not belong here...

This has nothing to do with September 11th! This should be moved to the skeptics forum or there needs to be a new forum for this type thread! IMO!

[Kailassa]

53. No it doesn't. But including stuff like that here does help signal,

to those who don't know better, that this is a forum for idiots.

It's strange how neither side of the political spectrum like us asking questions.