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reprehensor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 06:09 AM Original message |
Structural Engineer doesn't buy "official" WTC collapse theory |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
1. Is it this Charles N. Pegelow? |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 05:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Yes, that appears to be the guy. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
2. No advanced degree - is he a PE? |
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gbwarming (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 01:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. PE Civil in the California database. Doesn't show a Structural authority |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 01:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. He would have a license number even if he had reciprocity/grandfathering |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 02:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Fetzer didn't even know the towers were clad in aluminum. (!) |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. Some problems with his arguments... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Please explain your use of the term "non representative." |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Representativeness of the samples. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Can you supply any evidence for any of your dubious claims? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. His point about samples affected by the collapse and subsequent |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 03:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
20. "Mud cracking" method of max temperature evaluation. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 03:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Statistical significance... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Umm... |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I am not so careful anymore... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 02:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You have to be more precise.. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 06:48 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Without any corroborating evidence... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Go ahead AZ, explain why the NIST |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Why don't you ask them, instead of asking me? |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I already did ask them.. |
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seatnineb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Welcome to DU Zforce !.....I like your style! |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Thanks for the welcome and complement. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I disagree. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Disagree all you want.. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Thanks for your permission. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Maybe you're having trouble understanding.. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 04:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Ah - I did misunderstand. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. What point is that? |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. The one about constraints. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Indeed we both agree.. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. It would be pointless for me to engage in supposition about this. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. NO. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. It's highly ironic that you fault zforce for not providing |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Why is that ironic? |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. NIST *did* attempt implementations of these methods... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. My, my..it seems you are misinterpreting once again,, |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I've read that quote already. You leave out the rest... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. What's going on here? |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. they did *attempt* to implement the method. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. What was you subject line before you editted it? |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. Getting back to where we had left off.. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. K-16 is from WTC1 or WTC2 |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 02:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. HA! You just bought the farm. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Not quite accurate... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:41 AM Response to Reply #84 |
90. LOL, your story changes with every |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 01:51 AM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Some issues about the demise of the WTC Towers |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 02:09 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Thanks, your spelling is much improved. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. p.s. the NIST apparently inhabits |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Detailed examinations? |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:40 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. "NIST CHOOSING *not* to perform such precise tests" |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:26 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Enough already with the rationalizations... |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 01:20 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. The fires weren't limited and diffused... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 08:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I don't understand.. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. That is not what I am saying... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You seem to be misunderstanding me |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. There is no such hypothetical. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 12:20 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. What the heck.. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 12:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Did I ever even suggest that the positives were "conclusive"? |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 01:03 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Yes,, you kinda did |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 01:31 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Not at all ! |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Lets slow down a bit.. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 01:46 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. You will find the temperature histories in the relevant reports... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. I seem to be missing the part... |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Can you make your question more precise? |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:18 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. A core column to reach temps of 550c. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:45 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. What caused me to say that? |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. (cough) |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I've compared the two statements... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-01-06 10:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. "Exotic forensic tests"? |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 12:20 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Relaxation of Persistent Pressures in Beans and the Production of Gases. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 02:01 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Oh boy.. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 02:48 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Theroretically possible -- yes. But are they practical? |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 03:55 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. No luck with "Exotic", eh? |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Some simple calibration technique... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. How "exotic" would that be.. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. It seems to me you might be underestimating the difficulties... |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-02-06 10:41 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I highly doubt it.. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 06:02 AM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Man, I haven't done a PDE in forever. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-27-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Did you change the subject line from |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 12:27 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. It might have been interpreted thus. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 12:58 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. That is what had happened. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. In that case I apologize again for the misunderstanding. n/t |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
70. How about the fact that NO recovered WTC metal whatsoever |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. We know the temperature of Uranus. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 01:54 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Those are good points... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. We think we know the temperature of Uranus. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Oh man, that was just a catchy subject line. :) However, |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. When direct evidence contradicts indirect evidence, |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Now, your're posting silliness. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Hmmm... |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. "Three core columns located within these areas" |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 11:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. You seem to be misinterpreting.. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 01:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. "Representative sample" is a stastistical concept. |
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zforce (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 01:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I would advise you to take a look.. |
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Grateful for Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 05:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. You are guessing here |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. You are interpreting here... |
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Grateful for Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Please provide some links to substantiate what you are saying |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Too much work, sorry. However... |
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Grateful for Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Thanks for the advice |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Your're welcome... |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Column buckling... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 07:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Circular reasoning. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I guess the question is |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I didn't make that reasoning... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 10:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. There was no core column buckling |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
24. He's absolutely right |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 10:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. What profession are you trying to smear the professors of? nt |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
33. He's a Halliburton alumni with no apparent expertise... the truthiness |
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