Mike Ruppert has left the country for good.

[Trailrider1951]

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml


Damn, just damn!

:cry:

[Howardx]

1. wild story

probably a good thing he got out

[Demit]

2. Wow, he's in Venezuela.

I'm glad he ended this particular post on a hopeful note. Because what he writes about & what he has predicted in the past is really depressing.

[Annces]

3. Amazing story

"Fascism always becomes more vicious as it evolves. It never retreats, and as with drug addition, larger and larger doses of oppression and violence are always required to sustain its inevitable path towards self-destruction. As the great Cynthia McKinney said to me not long before her just-orchestrated ouster from the House of Representatives, “any fool can see it coming.”

Looks like we are in for some serious shit!

[sgxnk]

10. lol

the "great cynthia mckinney"

ya mean the race card playing, cop slapping, anti-semitic thug hiring victim card playing cynthia mckinney?

gawd almighty

well she says ANY FOOL can see it coming... hence, she sees it coming

qed

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[sgxnk]

31. no ... that would be you. jon stewart called her "batshit insane" lol

were the tapes "doctored?"

i saw her absurd accusations on videotape

i saw her thug anti-semitic racist guard on videotape

etc etc.

these weren't media creations.

it wasn't a media creation that even the congressional black caucus distanced themselves from her inanity/insanity.

jeeeez. even jon stewart referred to her as "batshit insane"

even some of the most progressive people on this board, who agree with her POLICY stances recognize that she is a self destructive loon

i guess everybody is deluded except you

[bvar22]

24. Cynthia McKinney....

The Congress Woman with a 100% voting record on Progressive Issues, Worker's Rights, Human Rights, Women's Rights, Civil Rights. One of the few Democrats who PUBLICLY questions the integrity of our Electronic Voting...The Congress Woman who stood up to the NeoCons and called for a FULL investigation of the events of 9-11 and the Iraq Invasion(which we still don't have)....Yes, THAT Cynthia McKinney.

Too bad you only have some pathetic swiftboat ad hominums with which to marginalize her.
Drink much Kool-Aid?

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[sgxnk]

32. she's her own worst enemy.

it's not her POLICY stances.

it's her BEHAVIOR.

were the tapes "doctored?"

i saw her absurd accusations on videotape

i saw her thug anti-semitic racist guard on videotape

etc etc.

these weren't media creations.

it wasn't a media creation that even the congressional black caucus distanced themselves from her inanity/insanity.

jeeeez. even jon stewart referred to her as "batshit insane"

even some of the most progressive people on this board, who agree with her POLICY stances recognize that she is a self destructive loon

i guess everybody is deluded except you

[bvar22]

33. Not deluded at all.

I could care less which clips our CorpoMedia choose to hype or bury. I don't let the Media decide my opinions for me. I DO look at the voting records and job performance.
McKinney protects me, an American who has to WORK for a living, 100% of the time. Very few "Democrats" can match her record. I wish we had 545 represenatives who were so conscientious about their jobs!
I could care less what she does on her own time, or how she defends herself from right wing attacks.

Keep letting CNN, CBS, and Faux manufacture your opinions for you.
Its easier than thinking.

[sgxnk]

36. again

with the bogus "letting the media decide for me"

since i disagree with the MSM on much, if not most, that is empirically provable as false

regardless, you evade

i am not referring to her policies

i am referring to her ACTIONS

it is a common psychological thing that people will tend to ignore/downplay/not even see/explain away behavior in those they like (policywise) vs. those they don't

it has NOTHING to do with her policies. it has to do with her racism, her paranoia, her poor judgment (having frigging anti-semitic racist black panthers in her entourage!, her failure to take accountability (contrast with patrick kennedy for instance), etc.

it is a lie that these are "right wing attacks"

if they were, the congressional black caucus would not have run away from defending her, as did nearly every member of congress

jon stewart is right. she is batshit insane.

and that's the least of it

[motocicleta]

38. Is there some strange reason

that on a thread about Mike Ruppert you have to make a big deal about Cynthis McKinney? Why is this so important to you? Do you just categorically respond to every positive mention of McKinney? And if so, why? Until you answer those questions, I have no interest in your input on this thread.

[nashville_brook]

41. or any thread for that matter

people actually do pay attention at DU!

[motocicleta]

43. Once again, I am in agreement with nashville_brook

Color me ... not shocked.

[liberalhistorian]

49. Oh, heaven forbid that anyone

at DU should question the great, almighty, omnipotent, omniscient, all-knowing, saintly Cynthia McKinney. So much for critical thinking and reasonable discussion!

She brought about her own destruction with her behavior and batshit insane craziness, and her constituents had had enough. She was a disgrace and an embarrassment to the party. :eyes:

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[motocicleta]

55. This always happens when I decide to call BS on DU

some idiot says I am a fool because he/she has more posts than I.

No wonder I only post every few months. At this rate I will have 13000 posts in about 20 years. And there will always be some maron with more pointless posts than I have. Congratulations, lh. Great legacy you've got, there.

[liberalhistorian]

59. Actually, I do have a pretty good legacy here

after more than three years, thanks.

And I notice you did not respond to my explanation as to why he "injected" Cynthia McKinney into the thread. Ruppert himself discussed McKinney in his essay. Therefore, the poster was perfectly free to bring it up and comment on it. Had she not been mentioned at all by Ruppert, then I agree that it would have been an unwarranted interjection. But he did, therefore it was perfectly reasonable for the poster to bring it up and discuss his own reaction to it. Again, pretty simple. Just because it's a comment you don't agree with or don't want to hear doesn't mean he didn't have to right to discuss it.

[motocicleta]

72. He's got the right to discuss it. I have the right to question his

interest. And you have the right to snarkily question my question. Thanks for the breakdown.

My point, in case you couldn't follow it, is that although McKinney was mentioned in the verbose Ruppert piece, I think it is fair to characterize the poster as 'injecting' her into a thread that can only best be described as barely tangential to her, then making a huge stink over her. In that light, I think we have a right to question why one has taken a barely tangential topic and turned it into a point over which to fight. Notice, I didn't respond to the first mention of McKinney, I only responded after it had turned into a nasty little hissyfit on the part of the 'injector'.

You may have a wonderful legacy, but I find you lacking in your treatment of my logic. I beg your pardon if that is simply an aberration.
Cheers,
Matt

[Jazzgirl]

51. I 2nd that.

n/t

[Pastiche423]

58. I third

what you seconded.

[bvar22]

57. You didn't get the MEMO from the Right Wing?

MEMO from Right Wing Office of Propaganda

Please help us catapult the propaganda by repeating our Talking Points.

Thanks,
Corporate Propaganda Team of the Republican party
XOXOXOXOXO

[nashville_brook]

68. that's a useful post

i might have to borrow it. often.

[Binka]

63. Do A Search

1000+ in a month usually means somebody has a bit too much time on their hands. Just sayin'.

[Jim Warren]

4. very interesting

Looking forward to Mike's dispatches from afield, I hope, on Mike Malloy.

[femrap]

5. People need to know about this and read his farewell

to us.

Vote this up, OK?

[Jeroen]

6. K&R

[me b zola]

7. “any fool can see it coming.”

I feel like a deer in the headlights. I see it coming, but am powerless to stop it and too paralized with confusion to run away.


Be safe, Mike.

[Joanne98]

8. I want to go too......

[femrap]

12. Me, too. And it's funny, the place I have

been talking about is Venezuela. I am going to see what happens in 2 1/2 months. If we don't get subpoena power, I am seriously considering getting out as well.

If we do get it, maybe I could help out in DC....lots of work to be done in nailing these neocons asses to the wall.

But Michael is right about the American People and their corporately-created distractions of sports, pornography, and consumerism....never mind having to work longer hours these days to make ends meet. But, really....are Americans looking in the mirror and realizing that this culture really sucks.

[glitch]

9. Crikey. One of the more vocal long-term fascist-fighters emigrates.

Crikey. K & R

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. Who Is He And Why Should I Care?

Am I supposed to bow down and give praise to some defeatist who decided to flee the country rather than stay and fight? I have no idea why I'm supposed to give a damn that this guy left. Good luck to him but whatever.

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[Deja Q]

26. Agreed - especially when reading his cheese-laden whine.

He's a phony. All talk.

I'm surprised Homeland Security let him out too.

[motocicleta]

39. I think you should care because he is suggesting

that those of us fighting are about to get slaughtered. It may not happen, but I can certainly respect a true fighter who has done his best to help has decided this country is currently beyond salvage. That suggestion does not seem out of line, IMHO.

I'm not leaving either, but I do worry for my family that I am making the wrong decision. I have said that these scumbags will not willingly give up power to anyone willing to listen for the last four years. Very few people seem to care to listen, and it looks like we're about to find out - polls say Rs are screwed, elections coming up. I don't blame Ruppert for getting out.

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[IChing]

42. I agreed it answered the thought crime guy

and now all we have is his comment.

Handpuppet post was thoughtful, not belligerent, coherent, rational, explanatory and worthy of being viewed.

[theHandpuppet]

44. Thank you, IChing

I'm going to take a break from the forum for a while. I'm really much too upset about this.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

65. I'm Glad I Was Able To Read It And Respond To It Prior. It Was A Great

post like I had replied earlier. I wish more people were able to disagree in a thoughtful yet informative and civil manner and as you know I respected the hell out of that post. Disagreement on issues is imperative. Being able to engage in the disagreement without resorting to personal and twisted attack is what makes one honorable.

[Boomer]

48. A strong Journal entry lost

theHandpuppet's post was long, well-written and thoughtful -- the result of crafted commentary, which takes time and effort. So it was no surprise that she added that post to her Journal. It was a post that could stand on its own.

Unfortunately, that Journal entry was also lost with the deletion of the sub-thread. I wish that the moderators had chosen to delete around a post of this quality rather than simply slash out an entire section without regard to the merits of individual comments.

[JohnLocke]

56. Good riddance, and don't let the door hit you on the way out (nt).

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

66. That's The Way I Saw It Too.

[omega minimo]

61. They simply pointed out the serial unwelcome antagonistic attitude

No one likes it. It is a disservice to DU.

Read through the remaining posts and witness the effects of another mind crime "Deleted Sub Thread."

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

64. Omega, Your Hypocrisy Astounds Me.

Please stop constantly looking to start trouble with me. It would do us both a service.

[radwriter0555]

67. The germans didn't defeat hitler. It took an organized world body to take

down the first worst regime in history.

It will take another organized outside world body to take out the bush regime as well. While some americans such as the esteemable people here on DU truly do care and are active in defying the bush regime, most americans are too busy shopping at walmart and eating at Chilis.

Ruppert ..... is a strange fellow. He's made paranoid by being made a patsy. I don't blame him for taking off; he held his ground against unimaginable odds for longer than I did, and I wasn't in fear of my life, just in fear of the future for my small family.

I left last year.

I don't agree with ruppert on a LOT of things, but I know he fought the good fight for as long as he could. He sure chose a great place to go and live. He gets major props for that.

[KoKo]

14. You know Ruppert "had me" until he started to freak out on Sexual

Exploitatin of his Staff. He rambles on for paragraphs in the link about sexcapades of his staff and how he was "set up." I don't question that this didn't really happen (given what I know about Bushies and how they can "target" those who don't agree with them) but what I really wanted to know was why Ruppert is leaving. That he goes on for much of the post about "SexCapades" leaves me feeling that Ruppert felt it was time to get out...he had the money to do it (inspite of his saying he left with a suitcase, and just a little money and some gold) and yet...we heard before from him that he was setting up an "Enviro Friendly" place here in US where he could be freed from "Energy Dependence" and live "Off the Land."

Maybe Ruppert is doing this in Venezuela and he's keeping his "options open" as to further moves. But, he needs Money to do this. Most of us don't have the money or resources to PICK UP and FLEE...as Ruppert Did!

I'm glad he will keep his viewers informed of his activities...but it doesn't help most of us who are trying to find a way to survive WHERE WE ARE...and if we CAN'T GET OUT...then WHERE do we land in the Good Ole USA that we can create a new community that might be "self sustaining and have fellow Dems that we can talk to and commune with."

To be CLEAR: I have been a reader of Ruppert's for YEARS...I respect him and believe in what he's reported. But, we gotta seperate his life (given his own demons and ways he sees of making a living) from OURSELVES.

I'm not going to PANIC over Ruppert leaving...but, instead, will look forward to his reports on how he's coping. That's what my love of Ruppert will take shape in...i.e. how he copes. :shrug:

[northzax]

16. yeah, he does seem to have an unerring ability

to hire really bad people.

I mean he blames the government for his hiring a business manager who ran a ponzi scheme? he blames the government cause one of his friends ripped him off? he blames the government for him not having decent computer security and getting viruses? he blames the government for the fact that his employees sabotaged his office?

me thinks he doth protest too much. Why, exactly, would the government care that much about him? he never explains. Why would the government go to such trouble to shut down a tiny little periodical that no one outside of a group of fellow travelers has even heard of? (and I don't mean to imply he's a communist by the fellow travelers comment, I have no idea) I have spent about 15 hours a week reading the web, including tons of protest literature, for the past 6 years, and I've been there once. come on.

but I'm sure he'll enjoy Caracas. coward.

[Annces]

17. good points

He may be right about the fascism, but his complaining is exaggerated.

[KoKo]

20. I think he's very sincere in what he's been through and what he see's

that's coming down the pike for all of us here under the Bushistas. I can't be as harsh as you two who have posted above on this thread. Ruppert's experience told him to "get the hell out...he had money and resources to do it." The point of my post is what about those of us who might "panic" reading this...but don't have his resources or excuses to FLEE!

Those of us who are here need to find our own ways to COPE when we CANNOT FLEE...and to be able to sustain some lifestyle that doesn't have us all on MEDS because we are in Crisis Mode ...24/7 which is what Bush and HIS MEDIA are looking for. I'm NOT going to sit here and buy into that Fundie Armageddon Stuff because it just gives BushCo. a blank check to ruin America.

Instead I want to find a way to be SUSTAINABLE here in the US. And, there are so many of us Dems distraught and demorialized by what we see that this is VERY IMPORTANT...no matter what Ruppert does. I applaud his leaving...but most of us CANNOT! How do WE LIVE AND SURVIVE? How can WE make our way in this MESS we are living in and under. :shrug:

[Bushwick Bill]

22. Well...

I think you will create waves when you name the VP as a prime suspect in your nation's worst terrorist attack and aver that the government deals drugs. FTW's most recent series on Pat Tillman (written by Stan Goff) absolutely destroys the official story on that case.

A lot of the peak oil crowd doesn't like Mike because of his geopolitical opinions, but I don't care what anyone says, that issue would not get the attention it does now if it weren't for Mike Ruppert.

Anyway, he gets a little paranoid at times, but the guy has been through the ringer and taught me more than almost any journalist out there. For that, I will forever be grateful.

:patriot:

[stillcool]

47. well said

:toast:

[northzax]

71. no doubt

but then, the guys who broke the story (for the San Jose Mercury News) that the CIA was invovled in drugs seem to be doing ok.

and please can someone explain why a peak oil guy like Ruppert moves to a petrostate of all places?

[JackRiddler]

73. ???

The "guys who broke the news" that the CIA deals drugs for the San Jose Mercury News... was one guy, Gary Webb.

After a hit squad of three reporters from the NYT, Wash Post and LA Times, including CIA agent Walter Pincus, was dispatched to smear him and "disprove" everything his stories had not actually claimed... he was driven away from his position and ended up fairly well impoverished and divorced, despite the publication in the late 90s of a really great book, Dark Alliance, in which his claims were well-substantiated. Webb killed himself, or was murdered, with two shots to the head in 2003.

So that's how okay Webb is doing.

Way to know what the fuck you're talking about, Northzax!

[Binka]

62. Why The Fellow Travelers Comment At All?

If you don't mean to imply that he is a communist why use such inflammatory language?

And the bit about cowardice well that is just fucking stupid. Mike is no coward. If you don't read him well boo fucking hoo.

[northzax]

70. you are right, I'm sorry

the bravest thing you can do is flee to another country and leave your friends and co-workers behind to face the threat that you believe someone represents, that's the ultimate form of bravery.

is "fellow traveller" somehow imflammatory to you? would you be insulted if someone called you that? defensive, perhaps?

however, fine. I'll take it back, and replace it with fellow insane paranoids. is that more descriptive for you?

and one last thing. why would someone so obsessed with the effects of petroleum choose to move to, of all places, a petrostate? any ideas on that one?

[pretzel4gore]

18. there's a sheepish quality to his explanation....

it's as if mike knows he's really not that great running the business, and the spaghetti bowl he's trying to unravel for us about the xxx stuff, well - the important thing is he's too paranoid to remain where the pig has too much fat. he hates bush too much, and maybe ruppert doesn't trust himself to react properly to any further hassle (including a staged 'suicide' or something like that re dr hunter thompson/gary webb/james hatfield/margie schoedinger )...at least in venezuela, ruppert will have disinterested politically active types watching his back.
as far as the money, the fact is we, in our vast numbers, remain ciphers to the busheviks, while michael moore, jeanne garafolo, mike ruppert, kucinich, greg palast, mike malloy and soon, are possibly targets if kristalinicht ever really goes down.....my opinion is, which is why i email email email and post post post is to add my weight to the numberless ciphers the pig must concern itself with, mu own little contribution to mr pig's burden of worry

[happydreams]

75. I've met him. With all due respect he

has some screws loose. Or maybe he just needs a loose screw, hee, hee.



From the above link:

....Eventually the sexual intrigue resulted in an altercation between the three which wound up on my doorstep late on a Sunday night in April. It seems no one involved in the altercation was capable of telling the whole truth. It was also clear that my IT manager – who was known for his appetites – had fallen hopelessly in the grasp of an attractive sexual smorgasbord that was fulfilling his every wish. This is what he said to people in phone conversations who later told me about them. He reportedly described her as a “sexual demon”. He lied to his girlfriend. He lied to me when he told me that he had ended the relationship. Then he lied to his friend, the Operations Manager, about it. I could no longer trust him, and this was of enormous concern to me.

After all of the previous attempts to sink FTW over the years I was well-prepared when the same woman started making advances to me. How dumb did they think I was? I concealed a tape recorder in my office as she directed me, after regular office hours, to pornographic web sites and continually tried to tempt me with scanty outfits, G-strings and hints of sexual delights including descriptions of her private parts. She was doing all this at a time when she made 103 cell phone calls in one month to my IT Manager on a cell phone that FTW was paying for. I got the bills. Most of the calls were made during business hours. The second month’s bill was just as bad when it arrived after she had been fired.

My IT Manager had been my most trusted employee and a close friend. I may never be able to forgive his betrayal even if the Siren’s song had overwhelmed him. In previous years FTW computers had been sabotaged, our web site had been hacked, and several attempts had been made to financially sabotage our operations. Being fully aware that he was likely revealing our most sensitive proprietary information, including account access codes, I had but two choices.

I could fire the young woman. But if I did so she would be angry outside the company and still have the IT Manager as helpless as Ulysses’ crew in her vindictive grasp. Or, I could keep her close, play along with her games, prepare myself against the blackmail I knew would come, and try to find out what kind of damage she was intent on doing and head it off. When she could not compromise me sexually, she turned the IT Manager against me, and he gave sudden notice. That was damaging enough. His last day of work was to be June 1st. I decided immediately that that would be her last day of work too, and so it was....

:eyes:

Mike do yourself a favor and GET LAID!

[GuvWurld]

19. I'm kind of sorry he wrote this

Ruppert has done a lot of important work. Establishing/maintaining credibility surely was a huge challenge for him all along. I really don't mean to blame the victim, but how many times can you be infiltrated without realizing your top-notch investigative skills are not being properly applied to screening potential employees? In a way, learning this makes me think a little less of him. That speaks nothing of his decision to leave the country. That I understand and have no problem with.

[KoKo]

23. Yes...he got off the subject of why he couldn't sustain his lifestyle here

when he said a year ago he was going "off grid" and now he's fleeing the country. I'd like to know a little more about the WHY. He kind of claims it was because of the Sexual Escapades of his staff that was so OTT he had no other choice. :shrug:

[Nutmegger]

25. Kick

:kick:

[Superman Returns]

27. I lost him

when he said 9/11 was an inside job. I think anyone who runs away from America rather than help change it for the better is a coward.

[bvar22]

28. Venezuela might be a little tough for him.

I traveled there several times before Chavez. It is a beautiful country with beautiful people.
I am very Pro-Chavez, and pray that those reforms migrate Northward. :)

100 years of US Corporate exploitation coupled with the antagonistic posture of the Bush* administration toward the reforms in Venezuela (and attempts to overthrow Chavez) have promoted a certain level of Anti-American Sentiment and Suspicion among the population who (understandbly) would prefer that the US leave them the fuck alone. For someone already showing sign of Paranoia , Caracas After Dark would push him over the edge.

VIVA Chavez!!!!

[liberalhistorian]

60. I think, though, that

the Venezualan people may distinguish between our government and ordinary American citizens. While there's a lot of hatred and ill will toward our country throughout the world, the majority of Americans who've traveled abroad have reported that they're not getting the negative reactions they'd expected and people are usually pleasant with them.

And Ruppert will have an advantage in that it will be known that he strongly disagrees with and disapproves of the actions of his government and that's he's left his country because of that. He's also freely chosen to live in Venezuala, which will, I think, carry a lot of weight.

[rman]

74. Venezuelans don't seem to have a problem with Cindy Sheehan,

or Harry Belafonte, or Noam Chomsky.
I suppose that means Venezuelans do make a distinction between "America" and "Americans".

[snappyturtle]

29. I feel like I've been taken for a fool!

I've been reading From the Wilderness for quite some time now. I couldn't even read the whole expose but for God's sake I never thought he'd really, just plain give up. Thanks a lot Mike. Don't let the door hit you in the a--. I hope this poor man can find some peace somewhere while the rest of try to salvage what's left of our country. Doesn't he realize many of us would like to leave right now? And, probably could if we put our minds to it but I, for one,WILL NOT give up.....I'm no quitter. Maybe in time he'll get the vacation he obviously needs and see the error of his ways. If not, oh well.

[librechik]

30. WTF??? TMI

jeez, what sleaze. I doubt this story somewhat. Did he expatriate or flee? what a lot of jiveass crapola and lawsuit material.

He should have just disappeared enigmatically and silently, like Batman, to continue the battle in secret.

[MisterHowdy]

34. Who is this guy?

And what is this?

"In 2001 the US government both facilitated and executed the attacks of 9/11 against its own people, killing thousands of its citizens as an excuse to launch a neo-imperial conquest for energy."

Is this fact?

[T Town Jake]

35. How's Reagan doing these days?

...:rofl:

Seriously, cool nic! :thumbsup:

[Iowa]

37. I don't know anything about this man...

...but I found his essay rather interesting and read the entire thing. Just going by his own lengthy analysis of his problems, he strikes me as a guy who has allowed himself to be so consumed by all the evil and injustice in the world, that he may have slipped a bit over the edge.

I also come away with the feeling that at least some (if not a good portion) of the problems he describes have very little to do with living in the USA.

If I gained anything from his essay, it simply reinforced the importance of moderation and balance in life. As one who worked in a field with many depressing things happening all around me, I learned very early on that it is possible to become so immersed in a single dimension that it can skew one's view of the world. One must be proactive to prevent that from occurring, and Mr. Ruppert seems to be a very smart guy who simply overlooked that important detail. All speculation, of course... but that's how it struck me.

[sandnsea]

45. Excellent observation

More people need to read that and maybe you want to make it a post of its own some time. It's easy to get caught in the habit of surrounding yourself with folks who share your viewpoint to the exclusion of everything else, some folks even carry it so far as to complete disdain for everything else. Very dangerous territory for sure and when it's all negative, definitely damaging to ones mental health.

[stillcool]

46. thank you for posting this....

reminds me of Gary Webb, and Steve Kangas. So sad. I wonder if history will record this...or if all the loud obnoxious voices crying 'batshit crazy' will have their say. Sure makes you feel a deep regret that humans are such mean-spirited animals.

[Jazzgirl]

50. I had no idea.

This is so off the hook that it is unfathomable. I really hate what he has gone through. I empathize. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Canuckistanian]

52. I don't know...

The stories this guy tells are almost too fantastic to believe.

If he's right, he has a good reason to be scared.

If not, then he's going to be labeled the dreaded "conspiracy theorist".

[Brian Stevens]

69. Dumb move, Mike!

What you did would only prove the no good repugs right. That we like to "cut and run" instead of fight. Sure we will lose a few battles here and there. But our sword of freedom will prevail in the end by hook or crook. If I were in your shoes, I would stay and continue to fight our war against the Bushies and the neo band of demons.