anyone else watching the history channel's

[wildbilln864]

"countdown to ground zero" on now?

[Rainscents]

1. Thanks...

Turn it on.

[Rainscents]

2. LIES< LIES and MORE LIES!

I turn it off...

[wildbilln864]

3. I know...

how can they get by with the bullshit?
Jet fuel traveled down the elevator shafts? That's the first time I heard that one!
It's the fuckin history channel! Rewriting history!

[wildbilln864]

4. We know they're lying to us...

so we must ask why!
Investigate 911!

[Garbo 2004]

5. So people who were on fire in the lobby spontaneously combusted?

Not new info.

[wildbilln864]

6. deleted

nevermind!

[Jazz2006]

14. If that's the first you heard of it, you haven't been listening...

They've been saying that consistently since September 11, 2001.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

38. I heard that early on

Maybe as early as 9/11 itself.

Besides, where else is the fuel going to go? Certainly isnt going to go UP the elevator.

[Dem2theMax]

7. I lasted all of 25 minutes. Right up until they made it seem like

* and his cabal were doing their jobs. I yelled "LIES" to the TV and changed the channel.

[Rainscents]

8. I only lasted all of three minutes.

Boy, they were really spilling lies none stop. :crazy:

[Dem2theMax]

9. It drove me crazy. I'm surprised I lasted as long as I did. LOL. nt.

[wildbilln864]

10. I think they may be ...

doing a History Channel blitz. There are more related programs to air tomorrow evening too.

[gulfcoastliberal]

11. I watched "Loose Change" 2nd ed. on google video today

First time I saw it. Highly recommend everyone watch it.

Set aside 80 minutes- quite an impressive production.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&hl=en

[wildbilln864]

12. there is going to be...

a final cut coming out soon.

[Jazz2006]

13. Actually, Loose Change is a big steaming pile of crap.

Even most of the tinhat brigade agree that it is, to quote some of them, "garbage".

Check out www.debunking911.com and www.screwloosechange.com and www.911myths.com and www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html and www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html for starters.

[wildbilln864]

15. no it's not!

those links you post are crap!

[Jazz2006]

17. Yes, it is.

Even most conspiracy theorists think it's a pile of crap.

The links I posted, on the other hand, are not.

Go ahead and check them out, and do some independent research, and apply some critical thinking skills. Those who do all seem to come to the conclusion that Loose Change is crap - even those who are otherwise in agreement with your view that 9/11 was an inside job.

The kids are selling a bunch of dvds and tee shirts to a bunch of gullible people, but their video is crap.

[wildbilln864]

21. WTF?

name those conspiracy theorists you speak of?
Please?

I see you're on top of your game helping to cover for the bushco.
Interesting how this subject matter always draws the same ones to try to discourage finding the truth.
It's not going to work!

[Jazz2006]

26. You should know who they are as you post in the dungeon regularly

Surely you are aware that even most of the dungeon dwellers call Loose Change a piece of crap.

Surely you should know that even many of the conspiracy sites call Loose Change a piece of crap and think that the kids who created it are themselves disinfo agents.

[Rainscents]

22. The links...

They are all right wing hacks link! OMG... I can't believe, you are linking the RW propagada. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[wildbilln864]

25. yes..

quite funny isn't it?

here's a conservative link for consideration.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=7762

[Sinti]

39. Thx, that was a great article - it surprised me :) n/t

[Jazz2006]

27. No, they aren't.

They are not right wing sites. They just don't buy the conspiracy theories.

[longship]

29. Agree. Loose Change is very appropriately titled.

It is extremely loose. No fact stands a chance under the conditions of "Loose Change".

No experts with any credibility back up the ridiculous claims in "Loose Change".

It's pure bunkum.

[Rainscents]

19. I remembered the first one came out (I believe, it was 2002, maybe 2003)

Anyway,it took my breath away... I never believed anything about 9/11 right from the beginning and when I watched, loose change (first one), everything all made sense. I was at work the morning of 9/11, I happened to was listening to radio (talk show) and they broke in with news. I left work early (my sis worked in area Twin tower area) and I tried calling back east and couldn't get through. Anyway, when I turn on the TV (CNN) and I watched the repeat of the WTC coming down, I knew right then, there were no way, planes took those buildings down. I told my boy friend (at that time), he almost killed me for saying this. I never once, believed any BS MSM was spilling and I stood my ground with all my friends. Of course, now, they all believe me. Oh, you have no idea, how many people hated my guts for standing my ground.

[Jazz2006]

31. Well, if that first one made "everything all make sense" to you,

you might be interested in knowing that they have since removed scads and scads of outright lies, distortions and ridiculous errors from it, in the subsequent versions they made.

The latest version isn't all that much better than the first, but at least they removed dozens and dozens of those things that you "all made sense to you".

Edit: typo

[longship]

16. Yes, those paper mache 767 drones did it.

no more comment needed.

[wildbilln864]

18. actually...

we don't know who did it.
Bush has let OBL get away.
Those IDs given have now been shown false in at least some cases. No one's been caught for it. There has been no real independant investigation.

Agents Provocatuer?

[Jazz2006]

20. Is it any wonder why these threads get sent to the dungeon?

"Agents provacatuer" (sic) indeed, mr. bill, as it appears you're posting in front of a mirror.

[wildbilln864]

23. well we know...

you're hoping it gets sent there!
I'd guess you've already alerted a mod?

[Jazz2006]

28. No, I haven't. But I guess I should, since you mention it.

[Rainscents]

30. People like YOU cause, treads like this to go to dungeon.

Don't blame other people... blame yourself.

[Jazz2006]

33. Are you kidding me?

This is actually the first time I have ever posted in a 9/11 thread in GD.

Perhaps you should do some research of your own, like many of us have, and then you'll understand. Don't let a crap video full of lies, distortions, and errors shape your beliefs. Your research may lead you to conclude that you agree with them, or it may lead you to conclude otherwise, but when it is your own research, and not just something you saw on the internet, it will be a lot more meaningful.

Seriously.

Anyway, this thread is destined for the dungeon soon, I'm sure, and I think I'll revert to my usual standard of not posting on such threads in GD, so perhaps I'll see you there.

But seriously, do some research on your own. You'll be a better, more informed, person for it.

Regards,
Jazz

[Jazz2006]

35. And, for the record,

It's not "people like me" who "cause treads (sic) to go to the dungeon" ~ it's the DU rules that cause such threads to be moved to the September 11 forum.

You can read them here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

Note, in particular, this part: "Posts about so-called "conspiracy theories" are not permitted on Democratic Underground, except in the September 11 forum."

If the thread were contained to discussion about the television show without going into tirades about conspiracy theories, it would stand a better chance of not being moved, I think.

So don't blame me, or "people like me", whatever that is supposed to mean.

The best course of action is probably to start threads in the appropriate forum in the first place; failing that, the next best course of action is probably to discuss the show without going into conspiracy theories in a forum where it is not permitted.

[longship]

24. I agree with this.

But it is entirely a jump to conclusions to claim that flights 11, 77, and 175 were not highjacked and flown into buildings that day.

[wildbilln864]

32. Well then join me...

and others in demanding a real independant investigation of what happened and why it was allowed to happen that day.
Let's put the suspicians to rest once and for all!
What do you say?

[longship]

34. Any day. Any time.

I totally agree with your plea.

Let's put an end to it.

And in the meantime, let's put an end to idle and wild speculations as to what really happened that day. Especially let's put an end to speculations which are counter to the facts which we are very sure about. E.G., controlled demolitions, drones, missiles, etc. These are madness and are debunked by the facts that we do know.

[praeclarus]

36. not all debunked...

... there is no evidence as to what caused the
actual collapse so spare us "the facts that we
do know" spiel.

Since the evidence was promptly disposed of,
controlled demolition is as good a guess as
any of the mainstream explanations which are the
real madness and which are debunked by oh... say
science.

Drones, missiles, pod planes, are absurd
disinformation but are convenient in that any
alternate explanation is usually grouped amongst
them. Just like you did.

[wildbilln864]

37. well said...

praeclarus! All those absurd speculations will cause people to want to put an end to the conspiracy theories and cry out for a new investigation. At least I hope so.
If we don't know what did happen. How can we be so sure of what didn't happen?