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KJF Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:11 AM
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Hijacker documents found in Shanksville
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 09:12 AM by KJF
The following documents belonging to the hijackers of United 93 were allegedly found in Shanksville:

(1) ID card, presumed to belong to Ahmed Al Nami:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00101.html

(2) Saudi Arabian youth hostelling card belonging to Ahmed Al Nami:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00102.html

(3) Passport-sized photo of Ahmed Al Nami:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00103-2.html

(4) Another passport-sized photo of Ahmed Al Nami:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00103-3.html

(5) Bits of Jarrah's passport, including his visa:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00105-08.html
(these are new photos, btw)

(6) Saeed Al Ghamdi's passport, open at the visa page:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00108.html
Unfortunately, they don't have the other pages. If they did, we could learn more about his travel.

(7) Business card of one of Ziad Jarrah's relatives containing highly incriminating phone numbers on the back:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00109.html

(8) A bit of Ahmed Al Nami's Florida driver's licence:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00110.html

(9) The famous red bandana:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/PA00111.html
btw, I notice Jarrah spent 52 dollars at Joe Fischman Clothing the day before the attacks. According to this link:
http://www.dandelionvintage.com/mens.html
Joe Fischman makes hats. Maybe he makes bandanas too, although I would have thought we would have heard something about this from the FBI if it had checked out.
Jarrah chronology link: http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/OG00020-03.pdf

(10) Assem Jarrah's German work permit was also found, but not offered in evidence at the Moussaoui trial. Assem Jarrah said he gave it to Ziad some time previously. It appears that Assem Jarrah worked for several intelligence agencies, including East and West German intelligence, Col. Gaddafi and Abu Nidal.
Assem Jarrah link: http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/Newsdesk.nsf/Lebanon/06802B1FBB8A8F3442256AFC003F2848?OpenDocument

I can see why a hijacker would take his passport with him, but the youth hostelling card is a little unusual. Make of it what you will.
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:44 AM
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1. I Am Missing Jarrahs Photo


Did they forget to provide it or did I overlook it as evidence ?
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KJF Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 07:55 AM
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9. It was in no. (5)
To make it stand out better, go to the high resolution version and then rotate it 90 degrees.
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 04:33 AM
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16. I don't find it
I'm looking for this:


or this:

(Terrorist Travel, 178)

But I only find two white burnt pages at your source:





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Ferry Fey Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:49 PM
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2. Fishman, not Fischman
That's "Joe Fishman Clothing" that comes up in a search for men's clothing in Newark, not Fischman as spelled in the Jarrah timeline document you linked. The Joe Fischman hat you linked at the vintage clothing shop Dandelion was made in the 1950's, and we don't know if it refers to the same company. The store has no online presence other than being listed in a few online directories.

Joe Fishman Clothing
20 Branford Place, Newark, NJ 07102
Tel: (973) 642-8235

Undoubtedly was indeed a clothing purchase of some kind, as the figure was $52.00 and New Jersey doesn't charge sales tax on clothing.

I've written before about the qualities of this long red sash (referred to as a "ribbon" in the Glick call?), with the amazing properties of being able to be neatly folded and clean, despite allegedly being wrapped around the waist of someone who was blown to smithereens. I may see if I can dig deeper into this at some point. Joe Fishman Clothing doesn't come up anywhere in a search with a 911 connection. Other places have publicly said versions of "Holy crap, we had one of the hijackers in here!" yet not a word about Fishman.

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Ferry Fey Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 01:56 AM
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6. Red headband red ribbons red paper
I'm on a bit of a "red" roll tonight. I don't have the Jere Longman book (I don’t have a copy, I’m reading this analysis online) and I'm not sure where some of these statements come from originally, so do let me know. I've got to head off to bed, so I'm not getting this documented as well as I'd like.

He said there were "very bad men" on the plane and that the hijackers looked Middle Easter/Iranian. The started the hijacking by putting on red headbands, then "three of them stood up and yelled and ran into the cockpit."

The hijackers "sent passengers to the back of the plane and threatened to blow it up. They claimed to have a bomb. It looked like a box with something red around it."
The quotes are said to be from Longman, "Among the Heroes"
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2005/05/flight-93-phone-calls-part-iii-jeremy.html

“Very bad men” — isn’t this how you speak to a small child, rather than your wife?

Raskin recounted a call from passenger Jeremy Glick to his wife that noted one of the four hijackers on United 93 was wearing "an item strapped to his waist with a red ribbon," which the hijackers claimed was a bomb.

OBIT: Jeremy Glick, 31, West Milford, N.J., Vividence Internet company. He talked with his wife, Lyzbeth, for about 20 minutes. He said the crew had been forced to the back of the plane, a passenger had been stabbed to death, and the hijackers claimed that a box wrapped in red paper and red ribbon contained a bomb.
"13-minute call bonds her forever with hero" September 22, 2001 By Jim McKinnon, Post-Gazette Staff Writer
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010922gtenat4p4.asp

Todd Beamer who even describes the bomb as a red box. Jeremy Glick tells his wife of a bomb too (something with a red tag around it), NBC/ 9/15/01).

I don't remember picking up on the notion before that this bomb or fake bomb was a red box tied with a red ribbon. A sort of Birthday Present From Hell.

Let's get physical, and think about what the nature of this box might be.

If it is lightweight enough to be held on the hijacker's waist by just a "ribbon," are we talking more about plastique than Acme Dynamite?

Did the hijacker use the ribbon that was on the "gift box" to wrap it around his waist?

In that case, how did he undo it easily and quickly?

And if he used that, what was the nature of the box that it was able to be threaded in some way onto the ribbon at the hijacker's waist? Did it have a sort of belt loop built into it? Or did it have a second ribbon tied really tightly around it in the normal fashion so the waist ribbon could just be passed under one side?




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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 04:07 AM
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8. It's curious that they would wear red, as there is debate
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Ferry Fey Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:49 PM
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10. Red Headband, the island evil spirit
Ah, here's the guy who is evil and wears a red headband, according to Wikipedia.

Red Headband is supposedly an evil spirit which manifests itself as a giant human, residing in the area around the crater at the summit of Mount Karthala in the Comoros archipelago in the Indian ocean.

Sometimes he is described as a huge creature, sometimes as a dwarf, but always with a red stripe or red cloth around his head. All the evidence in anecdotal. He is said to kill all that he encounters, sometimes stripping the flesh from their bones and leaving only skeletons.

Red Headband is considered by some to be superstition, by others to be a cryptid - an unconfirmed or undocumented life form like the Bigfoot in the American Northwest or the Loch Ness monster in Scotland.

Scientists have suggested that Red Headband's "victims" may have simply fallen into the crater or been overcome by toxic fumes emitted by the volcano.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Headband
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 07:41 PM
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3. Were paper or plastic articles found from non-hijacking passengers?
I asked this in the other ID thread, also, so please forgive the redundancy. Are there photos, business cards, plastic ID cards and the like from regular passengers that "flew out of the plane" in the same fashion? Does anyone know?
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:20 PM
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4. I remember seeing some ID's a while back. Here are links to pictures:
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 08:21 PM by Make7
Driver's license of passenger John Talignani:
?pic

Personal effects of flight attendant CeeCee Lyles:
?pic

- Make7
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:32 AM
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7. On one of the old threads, there is also
a link to a news site that has a photo gallery of shots taken at Shanksville that included intact papers on the ground, but I don't remember the name of the thread.
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:18 PM
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5. how convenient for the FBI
to find all those documents and a Koran in a rental car within a day. then show those pictures on the news. then the 2 minutes of hate to Goldstein-Bin-Laden for the next few years.
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bushatbooker Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:58 PM
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11. Planted
Oops, did I say that?
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Artdyst Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:50 PM
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12. By one of the MOOslim tear usts? Who else would have done such a thing?

nt
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:19 AM
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13. I guess that bandana was made out of Superman's cape.
And they were all supposed to be wearing red bandanas. Why just one, completely intact, and not a trace of any others?

And where's the red bomb they were supposed to be carrying?
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InaneAnanity Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:55 AM
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14. Where are the bodies??
Weird how they allegedly found all these documents but all bodies onboard the planes were vaporized.
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Artdyst Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:05 AM
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15. That's because the MOOSElims know how to suspend the laws of physics

and biology. LOOK. Over THERE. It's HILLIARY, LIEBERMAN, BRITTANY, and here comes the TERRUSTS again. They're gonna try to kill us all...with anthrax, estate taxes, and LIBRULS that want to force us to have to eat lead (because it's been classified by the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture as a vegetable). I think we should all have a great big ol heapin' helpin' of KETCHUP, and then turn on to the Gods on television.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 04:46 AM
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17. They weren't vapourised
They were in bits. Forensic investigators from local and federal agencies worked tirelessly for weeks identifying the victims from their remains.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:23 PM
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18. What I want to know is exactly where this stuff was supposedly found.
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 06:24 PM by mhatrw
No plane tail, no body pieces bigger than a half-dollar and no blood, but all sorts of surviving paper and personal effects including a bizarre link to Moussaoui.
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