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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:51 PM
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MKULTRA
Holy cow, man. I'm Reading The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: The CIA and Mind Control by John D. Marks, the CIA was doing some messed up shit during these programs. They basically wanted a drug that they could use to control agents(a mind control device) and in trying to find that drug they did some messed crap on unwitting patients. They were experimenting with LSD and it got so out of control that they were dosing each other surreptitiously just to see what would happen.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:53 PM
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1. Yeah and like George Carlin reported
None were promoted beyond major general.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:54 PM
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2. If you can program an assassin to kill and forget, you can...
get away with killing prominent leaders, academics, and so on and make it look like the work of lone gunmen nutjobs.
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infogirl Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:57 PM
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3. we at DU studied this alot after the 04 electdion...
go to www.johnnygosch.com

and most importantly....don't forget to read up on all of this...they used MKULTRA here too...
http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm

They brought 900 Natzi scientists over here at the height of WWII. Only 200 were rocket scientists,,,and 700 were "mind war" scientists!

Much is written on this..they would steal kids, take them to Offit AFB and give them shock treatments, instead of LSD. They would break them sexually and put them in pedophile rings....for our government. Yes, do read up on this...and HW Bush was involved...and me think Georgie is their manchurian candidate gone bad!!

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infogirl Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:07 PM
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5. They used MKULTRA for sex slaves
Coverup Scandal

The Child sex ring that reached Bush/Reagan Whitehouse


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Click on the image above to see large scans of the above newspaper.
see above post.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:20 PM
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10. And wasn't there a woman in Texas who filed against W*?
Margie Schoedinger--Fort Bend County, Texas, who sued him for repeatedly kidnapping, drugging and raping Mrs. Schoedinger and possibly her husband.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:32 PM
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11. So, where are the victims of these crimes?
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 11:33 PM by TwoSparkles
Have the child victims of these crimes come forward?

How can a survivor of sexual abuse determine if they were abused by an organized ring like this--or just your garden-variety thug pedophiles/child pornographers?

I was a victim of sexual abuse...and it was a highly organized situation. I have massive memory blocks (but I do remember snippets and fragments of highly disturbing stuff), and acute PTSD.

However, I'm doing really well.

My current emotional obstacle is knowing that there won't be justice.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:07 PM
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4. They put a severely mentally ill woman into
a sensory deprivation tank -

For 3 weeks!

Monsters.

After reading the things they admitted to doing, it scares the hell out of me to think of what they have never told.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:15 PM
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6. Or what they are doing NOW! n/t
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infogirl Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:16 PM
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7. they say timothy mcveigh was one.....
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infogirl Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:17 PM
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8. Jeff Gannon?
hmmmm, they call him bull dog!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:20 PM
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9. Eugenics
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

"How American corporate philanthropies launched a national campaign of ethnic cleansing in the United States, helped found and fund the Nazi eugenics of Hitler and Mengele — and then created the modern movement of "human genetics.""

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In the first three decades of the 20th Century, American corporate philanthropy combined with prestigious academic fraud to create the pseudoscience eugenics that institutionalized race politics as national policy. The goal: create a superior, white, Nordic race and obliterate the viability of everyone else.

How? By identifying so-called "defective" family trees and subjecting them to legislated segregation and sterilization programs. The victims: poor people, brown-haired white people, African Americans, immigrants, Indians, Eastern European Jews, the infirm and really anyone classified outside the superior genetic lines drawn up by American raceologists. The main culprits were the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune, in league with America's most respected scientists hailing from such prestigious universities as Harvard, Yale and Princeton, operating out of a complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island. The eugenic network worked in tandem with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the State Department and numerous state governmental bodies and legislatures throughout the country, and even the U.S. Supreme Court. They were all bent on breeding a eugenically superior race, just as agronomists would breed better strains of corn. The plan was to wipe away the reproductive capability of the weak and inferior.

Ultimately, 60,000 Americans were coercively sterilized — legally and extra-legally. Many never discovered the truth until decades later. Those who actively supported eugenics include America's most progressive figures: Woodrow Wilson, Margaret Sanger and Oliver Wendell Holmes.

American eugenic crusades proliferated into a worldwide campaign, and in the 1920s came to the attention of Adolf Hitler. Under the Nazis, American eugenic principles were applied without restraint, careening out of control into the Reich's infamous genocide. During the pre-War years, American eugenicists openly supported Germany's program. The Rockefeller Foundation financed the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and the work of its central racial scientists. Once WWII began, Nazi eugenics turned from mass sterilization and euthanasia to genocidal murder. One of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute doctors in the program financed by the Rockefeller Foundation was Josef Mengele who continued his research in Auschwitz, making daily eugenic reports on twins. After the world recoiled from Nazi atrocities, the American eugenics movement — its institutions and leading scientists — renamed and regrouped under the banner of an enlightened science called human genetics.

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 05:29 AM
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19. I hear you. Good point! n/t
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:41 PM
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12. They're doing it with "synthetic telepathy" & microwave weapons.
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 12:11 AM by norml
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:46 PM
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13. I just finished reading "The Franklin Coverup" by
John DeCamp and recommend it to anyone who wants to understand why/how our government and FBI and CIA have totally F****ed this country, should put in the effort and get this book. You can get it on Amazon for about $10.

After reading this you will understand how Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting himself in the head TWICE.

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:03 AM
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15. i have that..
haven't had a chance to read it yet. The documentary on the subject, Conspiracy of Silence, can be downloaded here:

http://www.vote.org/silence/

This is the one that was scheduled to air on Discovery, but was mysteriously pulled at the last moment. The quality is poor as it is a working print that found its way to the underground.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:55 PM
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14. i've been meaning to get that as well as 'the mk/ultra secret'..
I just finished a book entitled 'The Strength of the Wolf: The Secret History of America's War on Drugs', and there was quite a bit about MKULTRA. Valentine wrote about the safehouses that had been set up in NYC and San Fran run by CIA and FBN double-agent, George White.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:12 AM
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16. Just read about White today.
Operation Midnight Climax. Using prostitutes in conjunction with LSD to see how effective they would be in spycraft.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:23 AM
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17. If you tell anyone about this who doesn't discover it for themselves...
they will think you are a mental patient.

If you start doing research on false flag terrorism like Operation Northwoods and ones that were actually done like the Lavon Affair or the feds involvement in the first WTC bombing, your family will have you committed.

And yet it's true.
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:00 AM
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18. Truth is stranger than fiction. That's why the MSM has an easy job...
... of fooling the public almost all of the time.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:16 AM
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21. It must be hard to walk all the way over to the fax to get...
the talking points and press releases.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 05:50 AM
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20. Read up on Frank Olson
see here : http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Articles/LondonMail.html

We had a tv documentary on the subject a couple of years ago. I think it may have been
Codename Artichoke—the Secret Human Experiments of the CIA - search for details.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 03:46 PM
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22. A friend who was in Berkeley in the sixties tells me it's widely
believed that the LSD in the Bay Area phenominon was a CIA experiment.

Reportedly the members of the Jefferson Airplane used to joke "They can't
kill us! We're the experiment!"
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