The 9/11 panel will have a repeat broadcast tonight...

[Cassandra]

on C-Span starting at 6:10. They just announced it. This is the panel with Alex Jones that ran over the weekend.

[laruemtt]

1. thanks. i've already watched it twice online

and wouldn't mind hearing it again. see ya in the basement... :hi:

[DemonFighterLives]

4. What did you learn?

Link?
I'm going to the basement to read up, I missed it.

[DemonFighterLives]

2. Thanks

I heard a caller on the radio mention it. Sounded like it had a "let's get the facts" angle to it.
5 years later though

Did anything good come out?

[Joanne98]

3. Again? why are they running this so much?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

5. It's part of a secret government conspiracy to discredit...

...the 9/11 tooth movement by exposing people to the inane gibberish of Alex Jones.

[Joanne98]

6. Then it's going to backfire. It makes more sense the more you watch it.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

7. No, it doesn't.

He's a delusional fucktard, shitting on the memories of dead people in order to promote himself. He is a right-wing UN black helicopter fuckwit, and I find it disugsting that anybody on the left would consider him an ally for any reason whatsoever, especially after the brutal smear jobs he did on Bill Clinton. But then again, I expect no less from the MIHOP hive mind, since most of its fundamental myths grew out of right-wing, racist conspiracy theories.

[Cassandra]

8. So answer my question.

Where was the air force? Why did no one intercept for over an hour?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

9. The air force was not there because the UN told bush not to intecept.

Because, as we all know, the United Nations and the European Union (which are both controlled by International Bankers - i.e. Jews) told their minion Bush not to intercept the planes because it would interfere with their plans to subjugate the population of the United States through the UN's Biosphere Reserve program.

[Cassandra]

10. When I ask a serious question

I prefer not to be met with sarcasm.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

11. If you actually want a serious answer...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=3&c=y

[Cassandra]

12. The FAA removed audio tapes...

that the air traffic controllers made of their experiences on 9/11, cut them into tiny pieces, and threw them away. And you want me to believe them now?
Have you ever heard an interview with the controllers on that morning? Don't you think that would make a good news story?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

13. As I suspected...

... you didn't want a real answer. The dungeon contains all the answers you seek.

[DemonFighterLives]

14. I used to respect your posts

now? oh well, :silly:

[Cassandra]

15. I don't believe in planted explosives...

or missiles into the Pentagon, but if you think that NORAD or the FAA couldn't be subverted by this administration, you haven't been paying attention.

[John Q. Citizen]

21. You are sounding a tad bit desperate. What's with that? n/t

[DIKB]

41. I don't see how you can accept the

Popular Mechanics analysis.

After reading it, I can state this much: It's patronizing, simplistic, and doesn't answer all the questions.
"A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen"
This automatically assumes the people raising questions harbor ridiculous expectations. It does not address the lack of a scorched earth, the lack of debris (the tiny shard of metal they show is inconsistent with other plane crashes), the fact that the two titanium-steel engines, moving at the velocity mentioned, would have made similar impacts into the wall, leaving an oblong opening MUCH larger than the round hole we're supposed to accept.

They don't address that the BBC has interviewed a number of the supposed hijackers who are alive and well, yet the FBI hasn't changed the list of 19.

The 9/11 panel raises questions, and the fundamental argument is that we are being lied to. PERIOD.

I believe, as many here do that we are being lied to. Please explain your position, do you support the "official conspiracy theory" or something else entirely ?

[mikelgb]

18. oh get off it

that popular mechanics rag is deplorable....


anyway when I read that article I get even more sure that the offical story is BULLSHIT

first they take some of the wildest easy-to-debunk myths and tacle those in the begining...

but in most of there "facts" areas... all the quotes are taken from FEMA, FAA and other Gov't sources and the fact that they don't give any credit to 911 researchers at all clearly portrays the piece as a Bush Admin commissioned article.

plus the fact that every every-time i try to get a right-winger think about the oddities of 9/11 they always point out this shitty article from a "trusted" and "reliable" source. Mind yu they haven't read anything but the first page which says:

In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense (bullshit). We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims (no bias) with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.--THE EDITORS

um yeah

[Cassandra]

54. Atrios came up with this today from Vanity Fair.

http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01

""The real story is actually better than the one we told," a NORAD general admitted to 9/11-commission staffers when confronted with evidence from the tapes that contradicted his original testimony. And so it seems."

[mikelgb]

58. i saw that

thanks

btw an article with the actual evidence embedded

[hang a left]

29. Been debunked here many many times.

[hang a left]

31. Been debunked.....have to say it again

[hang a left]

30. I don't think there is one person in the 9-11 forum that I have heard

expose THAT theory. Wow!! You are trippin.

[Joanne98]

32. LOL

[Grateful for Hope]

49. It made sense watching it only once.

I have written C-Span thanking them for airing it.

[John Q. Citizen]

20. Haven't the foggiest. Maybe people are interested. I know I am. Why

not contact c-span and ask them?

[Grateful for Hope]

47. Not sure, but I am glad they are

it is an excellent sign.

[Boxerfan]

16. Anyone who believes the Collapses(esp WTC7) were not controlled Demolition

Is ignoring a HELL of a lot of PHYSICS!!

I can tell you from a lifetime of working with metal & seeing nearly every concievable failure (In the insurance industry as a claims adjustor) That one simple fact holds true....

FAILURES ARE RANDOM!!!

Look at the collapse of WTC7, never hit by an airliner or even substantial debris. Steel framed core construction etc...

IT DROPS IN A FREE FALL!! The entire building just drops. No lean or twist or randomness to it at all....

WHAT ABOUT THERMATE found in the steel samples...

The only conspiracy theory is the one they have tried to shove down the throats of the gullible.

SHAME ON YOU IF YOU DON'T SEE FACTS & SCIENCE AS INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

17. Well, colour me shamed.

I didn't realise how true this was until you expressed it using THE POWER OF ALL CAPS.

[salvorhardin]

23. ALL CAPS MAKES EVERYTHING TRUTHIER n/t

[mirandapriestly]

25. "truthiness" is a NicoHaupt/Web Fairy phrase

so is that where you've been reading? I noticed you guys always try to ridicule the word "truth" so as to implant the idea in people's minds that we are not looking for truth. A subtle, but effective technique.

[salvorhardin]

28. That's funny

I thought Steven Colbert coined that neologism. You might want to re-read my quip too -- I said TRUTHIER.

[mirandapriestly]

36. same thing eom

[salvorhardin]

40. I'd agree

It's all about the 9-11 Truthers not caring about the accuracy or sourcing of their assertions.

[Jazz2006]

57. Too funny, even.

:rofl:

[Codeine]

51. It's from The Colbert Report. n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

22. chemical analysis of dust samples reveal high levels of

arsenic

lead


and Sulfur


hmmmmm....



:hi:

[hack89]

43. And your point is what? nt

[Viva_La_Revolution]

50. boxerfan gets it....

you know, the person I was replying to.

google Thermite, Thermate and Sulfur.

:eyes:


edit: drnk spllng

[hack89]

53. when I google sulfur at the WTC I get

http://www.911myths.com/Sulfur.pdf

I think you will find this a topic a little more complex then you think.

[mirandapriestly]

26. I agree

( and don't let the haters intimidate you, they have an agenda, which is NOT in our best interest)

[hack89]

42. WTC 7 fell in three distinct phases

and took almost 9 seconds to do it. It was an asymmetrical collapse.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/June2004WTC7StructuralFire&CollapseAnalysisPrint.pdf

You do realize don't you, that while Dr Jones says he discovered thermate, he has yet to publicly show his evidence so we have nothing but his word to go by.

[Codeine]

45. They didn't find thermate!

Dr. Jones *claims* he found sulfur indicating the *possibility* that thermate was used, but without peer-reviewed results and independent verification I ain't buying even that.

[Klimmer]

19. I was there in LA at the conf. . . .

The entire conference was excellent. I'm going to purchase the DVDs of the entire conference soon at some point. William Rodriguez's testimony is a must see and listen. The way to use this C-Span filmed conference is in conjunction with other great films. The following films shown in this order I think presents it all very well. I would let the evidence convince those who don't know or have not yet been exposed to 9/11 truth (as long as they are willing to watch and listen):

1) "Terrorstorm" by Alex Jones. Puts it all into historical perspective regarding government involvement in false-flag operations. Do nations do this? Absolutely. This film also brings it up to date with news coverage of several members on TV from "Scholars for 9/11 Truth," and Charlie Sheen questioning the government OCT, plus more . . .

2) "Loose Change 2nd Edition" for all the great evidence in good sequence and the questions it asks and ponders. Puts it all together.

3) The C-Span televised version of the panel discussion from the LA conference --- "9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda" put on by Alex Jones. It is really good to hear from Steven Jones and see his testimony. In "Terrorstorm" you hear and see his testimony, put also it includes the footage of the the dripping molten metal from the south tower due to thermate cutting charges pre-igniting probably before they were meant to (?). It is damn good to see the righteous anger from many of the "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" come forth. They know (we know) and the physical evidence, motive, means, and opportunity evidence is now overwhelming in support of MIHOP you would have to be brain-dead not to see it and understand it. At this point the viewer having seen the two previous films would be more ready for this righteous anger, which I believe is very appropriate.

I'm a HS physics teacher. The overwhelming evidence the 9/11 truth movement has found, absolutely invalidates the official conspiracy hypothesis, but supports the alternative conspiracy hypothesis as presented by the 9/11 truth movement. You cannot cherry pick evidence or ignore evidence as the 9/11 Commission has demonstrated so well. In science this is called falsifying, and that is moral and ethical big No-No. That is corruption. In science you must reject the falsified hypothesis and go with the hypothesis that is supported and then keep working through the scientific method until you arrive at a hypothesis that is not-invalidated from any experiment, evidence, or angle you attack it from. Then you are onto something --- the truth. We are there. There will be modifications as we learn more, but our general base level alternative conspiracy hypothesis is supported greatly at this time with all the evidence we have right now. More to come . . .

[mirandapriestly]

24. Nice to hear from a real expert.

(There are a million fake ones on here:eyes:)
Lucky that you got to go to that conference. I believe that NIST "decided" what happened, then made the "science", (cough cough) fit, which is why they couldn't get their own models to work.

[Grateful for Hope]

48. Thank you for sharing your experiences n/t

[Carefulplease]

56. Stick around...

People who understand some physics are needed here. I, for one, am eager to hear about your understanding of the physical evidence.

[mirandapriestly]

27. Here's a free download

You have to do some clicking to find it, but it's there. It was announced on Thom Hartmann's Show yesterday!
http://www.question911.com/

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[Bushwick Bill]

34. Well...

I thought I read somewhere that the BBC backed off of their story that several of these guys are alive. This is part of the problem getting to the bottom of all of this. We Truthers tend to put the most stock into the initial hard-hitting investigative work before the powers that be shut down the stories, but you can never really tell when the information is honestly retracted as a mistake. The most shining example is all of the Flight 93 plane switch stuff. Were those reports all wrong or are we just told now they are wrong to cover up something?

Back to the hijackers, the media seems to vaguely claim there are some identity problems, and you can never get anywhere with it.

I think it is better to say there is evidence of doubles and trickery regarding the identity of the passengers than to just say some of them are alive. There is a great body of work at team8plus on this issue, but the site is down right now.

[salvorhardin]

35. WRH is a far right wing conspiracy theory site

WRH was the original source of the "Vince Foster was murdered" conspiracy theories and that Michael Rivero is, literally, a freeper. See these two entries from my DU journal.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/salvorhardin/18
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/salvorhardin/23

[Bushwick Bill]

37. Hijackers and their doubles.

This is some sick research.
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewforum.php?23

[Joanne98]

38. Okay. Ignore this. I didn't know it was a RW site. Sorry.

[Joanne98]

39. Here's a different source. UK Telegraph

Revealed: the men with stolen identities
By David Harrison
(Filed: 23/09/2001)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml

THEIR names were flashed around the world as suicide hijackers who carried out the attacks on America. But yesterday four innocent men told how their identities had been stolen by Osama bin Laden's teams to cover their tracks.

The men - all from Saudi Arabia - spoke of their shock at being mistakenly named by the FBI as suicide terrorists. None of the four was in the United States on September 11 and all are alive in their home country.

The Telegraph obtained the first interviews with the men since they learnt that they were on the FBI's list of hijackers who died in the crashes in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

All four said that they were "outraged" to be identified as terrorists. One has never been to America and another is a Saudi Airlines pilot who was on a training course in Tunisia at the time of the attacks.

Saudi Airlines said it was considering legal action against the FBI for seriously damaging its reputation and that of its pilots. The FBI released the list of 19 suicide terrorists three days after the attacks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml

Somebody said these guys gave an interview for the BBC, but I haven't been able to find it.

[mirandapriestly]

46. Here JoAnne, this is from the BBC

The papers have left these online. If they changed their story at some point, I would be suspicious as to why because these are pretty suspicious.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

...

Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.

He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. ...
He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.

But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.

...

FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.


Also I read that AL Ghamdi was identified as one of the "Al Qaeda" finding against Russia in Afghanistan. To me, this means that he was working for the U.S.

But what is really interesting is what Wildbill said about the double id's. Some of the "hijackers" have different photos on at least several of their pics. It doesn't makes sense that "hijackers" would have double id's, they WANT to take credit for their acts, so what the double ids?

[Sven77]

44. Alex Jones Responds To Ben Chertoff, Popular Mechanics 9/11 Debunking Camp

Alex Jones responds to the Popular Mechanics 9/11 debunking exercise. Popular Mechanics featured a so-called 'serious analysis' of alternative explanations behind 9/11 in their March issue.

In actual fact, the entire article was a straw man exercise. Popular Mechanics attributed false arguments to researchers and then attacked them. On top of that they lied outright by claiming that there was only one intercept of errant aircraft before 9/11.

Alex also addresses the issue of Ben Chertoff, the chief editor of the piece, being cousins with Michael Chertoff, the new Secretery of Homeland Security, an agency which owes its very existence to the establishment version of the 9/11 attack.

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm

[wildbilln864]

52. excellent!

Pop. Mech. has no credibility any longer!

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