Oliver Stone Movie Linked To Swift Boat Group

[mirandapriestly]

I've read it is being marketed to the evangelical crowd. This is interesting because I noticed that Stanley Praimnath, the one who hid under his desk while the plane flew past him in his office (uh-huh), He has a very fanciful story and I noticed that he has become involved in the evangelical movement. (Maybe he was all along). Another airplane viewer , George Sleigh of ABS, the one who actually saw people in the cockpit!! (bwahaha) is ALSO an evangelical speaker, something is fishy about that I think. There are several more going the evangelical circuit, but those two were interesting because they both had ridiculous stories about seeing the plane and surviving I also posted a thread about Mary Jane Booth, passenger from 77 and her husband was named James Booth, but there is no information on him, although a James Booth from Virginia (they lived in Falls Church, home of Raytheon Intelligence) was active as a Swiftboater and flew a Huey helicopter, allegedly her husband is dead.


George Sleigh (former British Naval architect) speaker at Evangelical church:
http://www.faithefctrxtown.org/mof-audio.html
Praimnath and Sujo John story from wtc, mentions their religiousness:
http://www.ctlibrary.com/7076
Grizzly Adams Productions Announces Production Of Heroes Among Us, Miracles Around Us, A TV/DVD Special For Fall 2006
New Documentary Will Examine Heroic Acts And Miraculous Events That Have Moved The World To Tears
Loveland, Colorado, July 13, 2006 - Who is a hero? What is a miracle?
This Grizzly Adams Productions is involved with that weird "end times" stuff:
http://www.evangelicalnews.org/indiv_pr.php?pr_id=6353
endtimes:
http://www.grizzlyadams.tv/
prainmath book, which is super religious hand reaching out of a fire on cover:
http://www.rosedogbookstore.com/plucfromfirb.html

Now this is about the Oliver Stone Movie, also a New York Times link, but you need account:
"According to a Salon report written two years ago, the firm Creative Response Concept is run by two former communication directors for Pat Buchanan, and has represented such clients as "the Christian Coalition, National Taxpayers Union, Media Research Council and Regnery Publishing."

"Heading into the 2005 Supreme Court nomination battles, it advised members of the Federalist Society on how to handle television interviews and was active in promoting the nominations of John G. Roberts Jr. and Samuel A. Alito Jr.," writes David M. Halbfinger for the Times. "When the AARP came out against President Bush's plan to overhaul Social Security, the firm went to work for a conservative group that took on the AARP."

"But it was in the 2004 campaign that Creative Response Concepts made its biggest mark on the political landscape, advising the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which assailed Kerry's Vietnam record as a Navy officer and as a leader of the anti-war movement after he returned home," adds Halbfinger. "Its well-funded attacks were among the most damaging blows to the Kerry campaign."

Stone claims that while he had just learned about the firm's prior "political work" he wasn't surprised to hear about "skeletons in the closet" because it's an "impure market."

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NYT_Oliver_Stone_unaware_firm_pitching_0726.html

[dailykoff]

1. So is Ollie the latest Hollywood ho or what?

This movie sounds like it was made for Fox TV.

[mirandapriestly]

2. I am so disappointed I thought he would do something cool

but no

[mirandapriestly]

3. Regnery Published Barbara Olson, FWIW

Regenery was represented by the Swift boat guys. I just read the owner started a white christian only dating service.

[mirandapriestly]

9. SwiftBoat Publicist All white Dating service

White Supremacists
Reclusive publishing heir to start all-white dating service
William Regnery II, an heir to the Regnery publishing fortune who's a prime mover and shaker in white nationalism publishing, is moving into a new line of business: match-making for "heterosexual whites of Christian cultural heritage."
In an appeal to potential investors titled "Population is Destiny...


http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=479

:scared:

[seatnineb]

4. Excellent observations Miranda!...keep up the great work!

[FourScore]

5. On the other hand...

Maybe there's hope.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x103591

[mirandapriestly]

8. yes, that is hopeful

on the Planehuggers group, they are evaluating the movie for clues , which I'm following.

[orleans]

6. my friend saw this movie (world trade center) last night and said

there is a side story about this Pentecostal guy who went to ground zero to help, and he found the two cops buried in the rubble that night. and it was a miracle that this guy found the cops--(by miracle my friend meant amazing, incredible, etc. or actual miracle)

he said he had mixed feelings about this character--liked and disliked him--he was ex marine or something...

anyway, maybe this is why it is attracting that crowd?

(also, my friend said that once the story got underway the audience grew bored; one man was snoring, people were playing games on their cell phones)

[mirandapriestly]

7. It is marketed to evangelicals

and there is a huge evangelical movement to turn it into an end times story and a "miracle" (except for those who fell to their deaths which is really quite arrogant of these people, they think God saved THEM, but let 100's of others die the most awful deaths imagineable?
Here is a trailer for the Stone movie (produced by Swiftboaters which makes me wonder about Stone)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NOqyDypy-rE

also, yeah, supposedly people survived who were under the staircase in one of the towers and another contractor didn't make it out in time but still survived, those stories are ridiculous. I think they were planned ahead of time, before it was known how catastrophic the collapse would be.

[Algorem]

10. Stone's on Chuckie Rose tonight

http://www.charlierose.com/

[mirandapriestly]

11. In conjunction with Paramount Pictures, BeliefNet..."

I saw the Beliefnet World Trade Center ad at the top of this page and clicked
"Oliver Stone's "World Trade Center" tells the story of two police officers trapped at Ground Zero. In conjunction with Paramount Pictures, Beliefnet asked spiritual leaders and people around New York to reflect on Sept. 11.
For Beliefnet's coverage of the release of the movie "World Trade Center," Paramount Pictures provided film clips and video interviews with some of the real-life people on whom the movie was based. The studio retained control over how Beliefnet used the film excerpts and interviews Paramount conducted, while Beliefnet retained editorial control over how those segments were edited together with our own interviews--and over the remainder of the project, including reviews of the movie. Paramount's paid ads appear on the "World Trade Center" page, but Beliefnet is responsible for the design and content of the page."
http://www.beliefnet.com/worldtrade/?source=WTCGOG&campaign=086&medium=PPC&nopop=1&WT.mc_id=WTCGOG086&WT.srch=1#

being promoted that way...

[mirandapriestly]

12. Path to 9-11 director son of evangelical group founder

"Path to 9-11" director David Cunningham's is the son of Loren Cunningham, founder of the worldwide evangelical missionary group Youth With a Mission (YWAM).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_L._Cunningham

According to that article I see he also lectured at Avid Technologies. Avid Technologies is owned by defense contractor EMC and it has top of the line audio/visual. Avid is the one who lent the FBI equipment to make Atta and al omari "more clear" in the airport video.

[DrDebug]

13. It features Nicolas Cage. That says enough already

Look at the cover of National Treasure with the all seeing eye which make it perfectly clear to which group he belongs.

Even a movie like JFK is very dual. On the one hand I have lots of respect for Jim Garrison since he did try to tell people that the JFK assassination was mainly a CIA operation. The problem is of course that he focused on little guys like Clay Shaw who really aren't that relevent and - probably for good reason, but still - ignored people like LBJ, McCone, George H.W. Bush, Howard Hunt, Dulles who had the means, motive, opportunity and who played a much more vital role in the overall conspiracy. What I really didn't like is that Jim called the Texas oil billionares and mafia a red hearing and it is the oil group which is the main drive behind our current woes, and the mafia was one of the major sources of operatives, since they are criminals anyhow so nobody cares if it happen to get caught.

Example of Jim diverting attention away from Lamar Hunt (Texas oil)

On The Trail Of The Assassins
by Jim Garrison

Sheridan Square Press, 1988 - hard cover, 1st edition

pages 283 - 287

I was aware, of course, of the brief vogue of the "Southwest oil billionaires" as backers of the assassination. However, this was never in vogue with me, not even briefly, because it simply did not fit my initial — and unchanging — belief that the critical connections were to the intelligence community. True, George de Mohrenschildt was in the oil business and was a member of the Petroleum Club in Dallas. But in my talks with de Mohrenschildt it became clear to me that he was used — not by the Southwest oil billionaires but by the intelligence community. His duties were limited to escort supervision of Oswald, at the conclusion of which he was dispatched to his "government-oriented" business in Haiti while the final arrangements were made establishing Oswald as the scapegoat for the assassination. (See Chapter 4.)

The visit of "Jim Braden" (Eugene Hale Brading) to the offices of the Hunt family, of Texas petroleum fame, a few days before the assassination appears to have been a one-shot deception gambit. (See Chapter 16.) The same kind of one-time visit to the Hunt offices was made, also just before the assassination, by Jack Ruby — who was no more in the oil business than "Braden" was. The intention of these decoy moves was to fuel speculation that the Texas oil business might have sponsored the assassination.

http://www.maebrussell.com/Garrison/ On%20The%20Trail%20of%20the%20Assassins.html

It is much more likely that Jim Braden (one of the possible shooters in JFK; not part of Operation 40 crew, but an extreme right Christian group) and Jack Ruby were working for Lamar Hunt. Nowadays we even know that Jack Ruby even worked for Richard Nixon who also played a very dubious role in JFK.

[mirandapriestly]

14. Path to 9-11 is the docudrama that ABC threatened to air

I think that it is interesting that it's director was ALSO an evangelical just like the Stone producers. I think what they were trying to do is switch the debate to - was it "cons" versus "libs" rather than the much more dangerous "was it an inside job"?

Thanks for then post, some things never change (well just on the outside)

[DrDebug]

15. The Evangelical crowd is a major source of concern

Did you read the post about the Opium wars, because I see a common theme since that really got out of hand when a counter movement of right winged evangelism got started. I haven't been able to find whether that movement was backed by Great Britian, France, Skull & Bones and it'll be hard to find out since it was 150 years ago, but they need a radical, fake religious counter movement in their Hegelian scheme.

Nowadays we have the fundies, the Moonies (that cult is potentially even more troublesome), etc. who are rapidly gaining strength because of the chaos, and it's actively supported by the neocons.

Don't forget that JFK featured Jim Braden, who was militant christian right wing, and also John Lennon and Ronald Reagan feature a brain washed Manchurian who received their brainwashing at World Vision, extreme group of evangelists who are border on militarism.

As far as the Clinton stuff goes, he was of course anything but a saint, but it is clear that they waiting with 9/11 until Bush administration was installed. If OKC was the first test, it would stand to reason that WTC would have happened around 98 or so, but they had to wait another three years. And the mostlikely explanation is that Clinton administration was unwilling to provide the support needed for an event of that magnitude, because they need a firm control of the government with little or no dissent. Also notice that thus far the fast majority of people which we have seen in the investigation are connected to the Republican party.

Either way the most important issue is "was it an inside job". Just like it is more important to focus on the big players, because that'll allow you to understand what conditions made it possible then to focus on a couple of little people who were mainly carrying out orders.

[mirandapriestly]

16. hmmm hmm, except democrats who have financial interests

like Richard Ben-Veniste from the 911 Commission who was on the Ed Schultz show today and was asked "why didn't the 911 commission say anything about wtc7?" and he evaded the answer instead he started saying "Oh yeah there are some people who think the holocaust never happened,and the earth is flat" (sounds familiar, does he post here?) bla bla, NO ANSWER. Gatekeeper Schultz "former" republican didn't even say anything, like "answer the question".

[DrDebug]

17. There are many fake Democrats. C'mon just look at this forum and weep

The whole point about this Clinton stuff is a diversion so people no longer look at the Bush family who have so many connections, so many interests, so much weird behavior.

Ben-Veniste even defended Barry Seal so he is just another CIA lawyer ( http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=82 ) As always they had their own people lead the investigation, so it is pretty safe to assume that everybody on the 9/11 Commission had some sort of connection to the Intelligence Community.

Edit: This brilliant excerpt needs to be republished

The Press posed the question to Ben-Veniste: If Atta belonged to the fundamentalist Muslim group, why was he snorting cocaine and frequenting strip bars?

"You know," said Ben-Veniste, as he smiled a little. "That's a heck of a question."

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=82

[DrDebug]

22. Napa Valley, California

All the weird groups seems to have gathered in the same valley.

Napa and Du Bain / Iran-Contra crowd

Du Bain later became CEO of Amfac Parks and Resorts, (now Xanterra Parks and Resorts), which owned the Silverado Resort in the Napa, Ca., wine country. Researcher Lois Battuello contends that Silverado often hosted Iran/Contra heavyweights Ollie North, Rob Owen and George H.W. Bush for golf and cocktails.

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=82

Question: Were did the name Silverado Savings & Loan came from? Is that name inspired by the Silverado Resorts?

Napa Valley and Disney family (See: Bill Clinton defamation)

Without a doubt, Napa Valley is most famous for producing some of the finest wines available in the world. More than 200 wineries can be found in this region of Northern California, which is about an hour's drive from San Francisco.

(...)

It may come as a surprise to some that there is a more personal connection between the Disney family and the Napa Valley. Diane Disney Miller and Ron Miller saw something special in the valley's wines on their vacations to the area in the 1970s. Starting in 1976, they acquired two vineyards and eventually purchased five more, which now total more than 400 acres. Initially, they sold their grapes to other winemakers. In 1981, the Millers established Silverado Vineyards on a hilltop east of Yountville along Silverado Trail, which winds through the entire valley, starting in Napa and ending in Calistoga. The winery was named after an old mine on nearby Mount St. Helena and that in turn served in the title of a famous Robert Louis Stevenson novel published in 1883 called "The Silverado Squatters."

http://www.startedbyamouse.com/happenings/DTLCA03.shtml

Napa Valley's Stylish Newcomers

LEAD: OVER the last two decades, newcomers to the Napa Valley have come in search of the good life, the better grape and the finest wines. As a result of the influx of wine lovers - some of them name-brand wine lovers like Fritz Maytag, Lillian Disney, Francis Ford Coppola and Baron Philippe de Rothschild - an agricultural valley that long belonged to Napa's old farming families has gradually been gentrified.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE2DA163BF933A1575BC0A961948260

Napa and the Moonies

THE MOONIES
By Harry V. Martin and David Caul
Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995

The buses would come in at night, filled with young people. Their destination was the Moonie facility Upvalley. Were these people "volunteers" or held against their will? According to neighbors in the area, a few males would knock on their door late at night and ask how they could "escape" from the area. Under most circumstances, the young people who live there walk outside the compounds with another person, they are seldom alone.

(...)

The Moonies first came to prominence in Napa County in October 1976 when Charles Lotz arrived here from Arizona with his two attorneys, Wayne Howard and Michael Trauscht. Lotz suspected that his son, Steven, was living as a Moonie on the Aetna Springs Resort. With Napa Attorney John Dower, the group appeared before Superior Court Judge Thomas Kongsgaard for the purpose of having Lotz appointed temporary conservator of his son, this essentially gave him the legal right to forcibly control the actions of his son who is declared temporarily incompetent.

http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/1earth4.html

[DrDebug]

23. Is Napa the wine link to Flight 93 as well?

Flight 93 contains some mysterious passengers:

Joseph Deluca 52 Ledgewood, N.J. systems business consultant Pfizer Inc. +

Linda Gronlund 46 Greenwood Lake, N.Y. environmental compliance BMW
Reason for taking the flight: To celebrate in wine country

Even more important is:

Christian Adams 37 Biebelsheim, Germany foreign sales manager German Wine Fund (Deutscher Weinfond)
Christian was in the US specifically for the two first tasting of wine. NY Sept 10 and SF Sept 13
http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=157
GWI is guided by the German Wine Fund Administrative Council (composed of industry and consumer representatives)
http://www.dairytrade.com/roundtable7-02/foreignpromotion.htm

Flight 93 was not a flight which was scheduled, so it would make no sense that Christian Adams was on that flight, because he was only in the United States for two wine tastings, and it would have been almost certain that he already had all his tickets before he left and was already booked on the flight from New York (Newark) to San Fransisco, since they already had to arrange the other flights for him as well. It is extremely unlikely that took a last minute flight.

There were important tastings, however Christian appears to have been just a sales representative and not a big wineproducer, and he was direct competition of the winemakers at Napa Valley.

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. Have you noticed

that most of the "Let's Roll Team" on Flight 93 were also fundie xians? Most of the team was male, very athletic and very religious. They were also the only ones who made lengthy phone calls which most of the Flight 93 myths are based upon. Most of the other phone calls are either very short or didn't go through. Amazing group of people on the "Let's Roll Team". They had enough time to make lengthy phone calls and plan to take over the plane, while the hijackers were in control.

[DrDebug]

19. Interesting. I saw some fundies, but didn't notice that most were fundies

The thing which I found odd were three people who were really active in the environmental movement ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=97987&mesg_id=99991 ), so I didn't even pay that much attention that Jean Hoadley and Donald Arthur Peterson were Christian missionaries. And there is a significant Christian environmental movement as well.

And they did use it for the Rapture propaganda (and the sad part is that we are sliding towards that goal in a different form though)

One strange thing about Flight 93 is that it seems to get all the media attention unlike the other flights.

Still think that the phone calls were faked and probably made in the NASA facility at Cleveland airport ;)

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. Especially, Todd Beamer, Tom Burnett & Jeremy Glick

They are the ones that made most of the phone calls that contain most of the details of what now has become the official story. All three were athletic, all-American family men who wore their faith on their sleeves.

[Mist]

24. Small detail, but Harvey Keitel was ins National Treasure, a movie

that slipped by my awareness completely. So that's 2 for Cage (WTC, Nat'l Treasure), and 2 for Keitel (Nat'l Treasure, Path to 911).

[ShoePolish]

21. A red bottom line is the only thing they will hear.

[mirandapriestly]

25. Another Evangelical connection.

http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93Somerset.shtml
Much of the flight 93 "evidence" was found on the site of this guy, Reverend Al and his son Barry. They are strangely involved in the whole thing, but the families were put up in a ski resort 30 miles away!wtf?
Reverend Al, as friends still call him, bought the 100-year-old former Mizpah Evangelical Lutheran Church in January with an $18,000 bank loan. He is stripping off vinyl siding to restore the original church building, and gutting the warehouse interior at an estimated cost up to $40,000 to convert it into a "nondenominational" chapel that will also sell gift items.

His honesty is vouched for by Rick King, a local businessman who is assistant chief of the Shanksville Volunteer Fire Department and who drove the first fire truck to arrive on the crash scene...
But the shock wave from Flight 93, a few hundred yards away, spewed debris through the woods with such force that it blew out all the windows and doors and shook the foundation on Barry's place. It turned the whole Hoover property into a cemetery where human remains were still being found months later..

[canetoad]

26. Sorry to hi-jack thread

get the message?

[mirandapriestly]

27. not until now and I'm going to bed, but I'll be around this

weekend.

[canetoad]

28. OK. see ya