of a smiley help?:)
--"In the hypothetical situation, it depends on the circumstances; as they existed then, it wuld not have been acceptable (note there are those who say Stern's death was an assassination). I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it."
Why would it not have been acceptable for the British Authorities
to use tactics that the Iaf employ,if such methods were available?
Stern was clearly an enemy of the state of Palestine,as it
was then.Lehi had declared war on the British Mandate,
& the prosecution of that war involved the use of "terrorism",
against military & civilian targets. Stern decided in the midst of
WWII,that Britain should be fought,rather than the Nazis.He advocated
forming an alliance* with the Axis powers;wouldn't the British authorities be
justified if they'd decided to "make an example" of him,if they'd dispensed
with any legal niceties,& used an extreme military option,instead of arresting him?
(btw,"shot whilst resisting arrest" doesn't qualify
as assassination)
I cannot see why Extrajudicial Assassinations(EA) are acceptable
now,but not acceptable then.I think they are not justified,& it
is not consistent to say that they're acceptable now,but not then.
You can see it's relatively easy to construct an arguement that says
Stern,&tc would've been a "legitimate target";that doesn't mean that
I beleieve that EAs are acceptable.
The point I am making is that EA are wrong;they are only a
short-term "solution". You cannot kill an idea.
--"As for your quote; AFAIK, they're overstating the numbers by an order of magnitude. In any event, what does that have to do with the point I'm raising?"
My point is that the IDf is perfectly capable of arresting
thousands of suspects,if it so chooses.
More from AI,& further details;
"4 July 2003
Israel and the Occupied Territories:
Israel must end its policy of assassinations
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Alternative lawful means to extrajudicial executions
Alternative, lawful means to address threats posed by persons suspected of planning or having participated in attacks against Israelis exist. The Israeli army has proved that it can and does exercise full and effective control over the Occupied Territories, including the areas which fall under the Palestinian Authority jurisdiction. (11)
In the past two years the Israeli army and security services have arrested tens of thousands of Palestinians whom they accuse of having perpetrated, participated in or planned attacks against Israeli soldiers or civilians. Such arrests continue daily throughout the Occupied Territories. Those arrested have been apprehended individually or in groups, in their homes or other private houses, in universities or student dormitories, at their work place or at checkpoints, when moving around openly or while in hiding. On several occasions, in refugee camps or other areas, the Israeli army temporarily detained all males in a certain age bracket (typically between 15-16 and 45-55), in order to check their identities and establish if any of them were wanted. At times Palestinians have been detained by special undercover units operating in Palestinian towns, villages and refugee camps.
>snip
In light of the above Amnesty International believes that Israel's claims that it only resorts to assassinations in response to an immediate security threat which cannot be otherwise dealt with, are not credible and that such practices cannot be justified. In most cases Israel has not provided evidence that those who were assassinated by the Israeli army posed an imminent threat to lives which could not be met by other means. In fact there is ample evidence to the contrary. Israel has repeatedly proved that it does have other means at its disposal to deal with such cases, notably by arresting and bringing to justice those suspected of involvement in perpetrating or planning attacks against Israeli civilians or soldiers."
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150562003?open&of=ENG-ISR _________________________________
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Cover to Cover / Tom Segev
Yair ache
By Tom Segev
Nationalist whining and a torrent of words turn a fascinating biography into a long, confusing and boring book.
"Yair, Roman Biografi" ("Yair, A Biographical Novel") by Moshe Shamir, Zemora-Bitan, 551 pages, NIS 97
Avraham Stern was a Jewish terrorist - admired by many and still admired today. He was the leader of the pre-state underground organization Lohamei Herut Israel (Lehi) that also murdered citizens in the name of the Zionist struggle for national independence. Stern's world view embraced certain elements of Mussolini-style fascism, and at a certain point, he tried to enter into an alliance with Hitler's Germany. But the Nazis, who hated him even more than he hated them, spurned him in favor of the Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al- Husseini.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=78830&contrassID=3&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0