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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:44 PM
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From Ghettos to Frontiers - -book review
From Ghettos to Frontiers
What Will Happen After Israel's Withdrawl from Gaza

By NEVE GORDON

http://www.counterpunch.org/gordon05192005.html


Frontiers and Ghettos:
State Violence in Serbia and Israel
by James Ron,
University of California Press.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0520236572/counterpunchmaga/002-0701808-0319246

In what direction are Israeli-Palestinian relations heading? Will the
imminent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip lead the two parties closer to a
peace agreement? Or will the fighting between the two peoples reemerge
with a vengeance once Jewish settlements have been dismantled and
Israeli troops redeployed? In order to gain insight into what lies
ahead, it is important first to analyze the use of violence in the
region, asking ourselves why the employment of force was less lethal in
certain areas than in others. This is precisely the question James Ron
asks in his daring and groundbreaking book Frontiers and Ghettos.

<snip>

Ron begins, however, by reminding his readers that in 1948 "Jewish
troops participated in the often forced removal of some 750,000
Palestinians over international borders in a campaign that today would
be termed ethnic cleansing." He goes on to show that Israel has employed
much more lethal methods on its frontier -- Lebanon -- than it has in
the Occupied Territories. In the fifteen-day operation dubbed Grapes of
Wrath (1996) the Israeli air-force carried out 600 sorties, the military
fired 25,000 artillery shells, killed 154 civilians, and displaced
400,000 Lebanese. Three years earlier, in Operation Accountability,
Israel killed 120 civilians and displaced 300,000 more. Ron traces these
operations to the 1970s, showing how the more recent military campaigns
are no different from operations Israel carried out in June 1974 and May
1975. He also discusses the Litani operation of 1978, as well as the
Lebanon war and its aftermath, highlighting some of the similarities to
the Serbian experience in Sand ak, particularly Israel's use of the
Phalange militias and the South Lebanese Army.

<snip>

As we will see momentarily, the more recent process whereby the Sharon
government has been turning the Occupied Territories into a frontier
entails a qualitative change in the kind of violence Israel uses. Here,
though, it is important to underscore that the regulations Israel set up
in the territories served as the nuts and bolts of a controlling system
until the Oslo process. And while Israel used harsh and painful
violence, its actions were subordinate to the "rule of law" and
therefore constrained. As Frontiers and Ghettos underscores, the Israeli
security forces employed "police style" methods in their attempt to
quell the first uprising, incarcerating tens of thousands of
Palestinians while subjecting thousands of them to torture; Israel
refrained, however, from employing the kinds of methods it used in
Lebanon. Ron's theoretical model accordingly helps explain why, despite
Israel's overwhelming firepower and the constant confrontations between
demonstrators and the military during the first Intifada, "soldiers
killed only 204 Palestinians between December 9, 1987, and November 15,
1988, the most intense phase of the uprising."

<snip>

Changes in the Gaza Strip occurred earlier than in the West Bank and
have been more dramatic, particularly following Prime Minister Ariel
Sharon's decision to withdraw from the area. According to B'tselem, the
level of violence has increased dramatically. In the first ten months
after the official decision to dismantle the settlements and withdraw
from the Strip, Israeli forces killed 563 Palestinians in Gaza, while
during the previous ten months period 264 were killed. But even before
Sharon's decision to pull out of Gaza, Israel's repertoires of violence
were modified and in no way compare to those used during the years
preceding the Al-Aqsa Intifada. If in the thirteen year period between
December 1987 and September 2000, 1359 Palestinian civilians were killed
by Israeli security forces, in the four and a half years that followed
over 3,100 have been killed.

To be sure, the fact that in this Intifada the Palestinians have been
using firearms and suicide bombers has had an impact on the level of
violence, but forms of Palestinian resistance only partially explain
Israel's violence. Moreover, in June 2004, Ha'aretz journalist Akiva
Eldar revealed that the top Israeli security echelons were interested in
"fanning the flames" during the Intifada's first weeks. He cites Amos
Malka, who was the military general in charge of intelligence at the
time, as saying that during the first month, when the uprising was still
mostly characterized by non-violent popular protests, the military fired
1.3 million bullets in the West Bank and Gaza. The idea was to intensify
the levels of violence, thinking that this would lead to military victory.

Israel now regularly uses F-16 jets, apache helicopters and tanks to
bomb Palestinian cities, a form of violence that was hardly -- if ever
-- utilized in the West Bank and Gaza in the past. Extra-judicial
executions have become common practice as have massive demolitions of
houses. In the Gaza Strip alone Israel has destroyed 2,548 houses since
the beginning of the second Intifada, leaving over 24,000 people
homeless. The southern Lebanese peasants could, at least, flee
northwards, a non-existent option for the inhabitant of Gaza.

<snip>

Israel is now less interested in penetrating and
managing the lives of the Palestinians and is more willing to employ
brutal violence to quell any resistance. Insofar as this is the case, it
is likely that at least in the near future the violence in the West Bank
and Gaza will only become more ferocious.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:57 PM
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1. Chickenshit bullshit.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 01:26 AM
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2. tsk tsk tsk.....
why is it, whenever i start to read one of these things, i have a hope that looks at both sides "fairly"...and then I start coming across "facts" that are either not true or written in such a way to as to give the wrong impression....at that point it looses all credability to becomes nothing more than propaganda, even if some of what it rights is true, i wonder about its context.

some examples:
Israel now regularly uses F-16 jets, apache helicopters and tanks to
bomb Palestinian cities, a form of violence that was hardly --
.....F-16s were used I believe twice to drop 2 bombs, but more than that, the implication is that the cities are under bombardment as opposed to the selective use. The use of the language is intentional and misleading.

or
when the uprising was still mostly characterized by non-violent popular protests, the military fired 1.3 million bullets in the West Bank and Gaza I not going to even ask where that number came from, but since much of the firing, that I know of, was in the air as warning shots, again, the impression is wrong, intentionally.

why they couldnt write a book that kept more to the facts always amazes me....well not always.

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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:01 PM
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3. F-16 jets, apache helicopters and tanks
F-16s regularly patrol the skies over israel and the west bank... correct?

how was Hamas leader Abdel Aziz al Rantissi killed?
Jamal Abu Samhadana, head of the Popular Resistance Committees?
Abu Ali Mustafa secretary general of PFLP?
Sheikh Ahmed Yassin?
dozens of others???

how about every mukata in nablus, tulkarem, jenin, hebron??? how were they destroyed?

how about under curfew when APCs and tanks roll in and ruin the streets?

---------

as far as warning shots go.. i have 2 friends who were present when bethlehem was under curfew... when the warning shots which were fired were fired at the ground in front of a clearly unarmed and peaceful group of internationals. shrapnel hit one of my friends. now he has a permanent souvenir located in his head.

i have also had an IDF rifle pointed at the ground in front of me.. about 8 feet from me... in the form of warning. rarely has any form of warning been pointed in the air... unless its a teargas cannister.
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:06 PM
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4. or do you mean warning shot like Tom Hurndall got? nt.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:51 PM
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5. no....
Edited on Fri May-20-05 01:01 PM by pelsar
i'm not arguing specific circumstances....there are so many scenarios that have happened with untold histories that you know as well as I....

i just hate it when i start to read something about the conflict and its so obviousily biased. Its easy enough to take a series of events and explain parts of it, write things in specific ways and presto all of a sudden its Black and White. We have good guys and we have bad guys and that is all there is to it....but its not that way...people are invovled and most are not "bad."

Now granted, attempted to write up any thing about this conflict is at best confusing and it will be easy to refute by "other evidence" (as you just shown)...but that is not my point.

My point is that any serious write up can at least be honest about what they are writing up. (as per my example) Of course they're going to leave out dozens of events and their history. BUT those events that are written up can at least be honest to the degree possible (both facts and truth are subject to viewpoints)...thats all I am asking, no more and no less.

Nor do I believe its so difficult, quite the opposite, no only do I think it stinks i believe it serves the purpose of continuing the violence by further pushing on the emotional buttons of "outrage"....which makes me wonder why people do that..other than a need to sell their book.....


in terms of specifics....F-16s dont patrol over Gaza....and they fly training missions over the westbank every so often-except for the two exceptions in Gaza, the helicopters fly the combat missions...but basic research shows that....the writing was designed in "enhance" the wickedness......it doesnt have to be.

warning shots?....actually I'm surprised they shot in the ground (news to me) since they can ricochet -as you saw. My experience is in the air. Dumb soldiers, and I have no idea how many do that, so I 'm not even going to go that far, but in my 20+ yrs I've never known that to happen (but yes I believe you)

BTW "clearly unarmed" isnt clear, at least if you potentially on the receiving end (which i dont wish upon anybody).....and I have and its never clear.
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